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The Book of Ace of Spades
The Book of Ace of Spades C3G DC PUBLIC EXCLUSIVE COLLECTION 25 ROYAL FLUSH GANG Comic PDF Mini PDF The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Crisis set. Its model number and name are #016 Ace. _________________________________________________________________ Character Bio - The first robot was designed by Derek Reston, an industrialist and engineer who was being mind controlled by Hecter Hammond. This robot was advanced enough to pass as human, and stood in contact with Reston. It was destroyed by Black Canary's Canary Cry. Like the first human Aces, the Ace Android acted as the leader of the gang. With later models, leadership passed to the King when a robot was employed. Later models were considerably larger and less man-like, and served as muscle. They were usually kept out of the fight until the last moment - like an Ace in the hole - when the gang hoped to press their luck or make their getaway. _________________________________________________________________ -Rulings and Clarifications-
-Combinations and Synergies- Incoming Synergy:
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Re: The Book of Ace (Breathing Period)
NAME = ACE OF SPADES
SPECIES = ANDROID UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO CLASS = LEADER PERSONALITY = ARISTOCRATIC SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 6 LIFE = 6 MOVE = 5 RANGE = 1 ATTACK = 6 DEFENSE = 5 POINTS = 260 RESHUFFLE THE DECK At the beginning of your turn, if there is at least one Order Marker on this card, you may move any unrevealed Order Markers on the card of a Criminal in your army to any other cards in your army. ACE UP THE SLEEVE After taking a turn with Ace, if there is a revealed "X" Order Marker on the card of a Hero you control that has the Royal Flush special power, you may remove that Order Marker from that card. You may then attack with that Hero and place the "X" Order Marker, unrevealed, on that Hero's card. DURABLE ARMOR When Ace defends against an attack, if at least one blank is rolled, the most wounds Ace can take from that attack is one. SUPER STRENGTH Last edited by fret_gurglo; September 28th, 2020 at 08:14 PM. |
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Re: The Book of Ace (Breathing Period)
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Last edited by fret_gurglo; July 22nd, 2020 at 09:55 AM. |
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Re: The Book of Ace (Breathing Period)
Moved this to Public Designs.
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Re: The Book of Ace (Breathing Period)
It's a good start. My main thing is should he be that powerful? Seven attack and only a single wound taken at a time is huge. I only know these guys from Batman Beyond (Where I enjoyed them a lot!), but they never seem quite that good. I would have pegged Ace for being around 200 tops, and I think what you have will be upwards of 300.
Our Batman Beyond design is 150 points, and he regularly took on the whole team. I don't know if the comics versions of these guys are different, so if they ARE much more powerful than in the cartoon, great. I honestly don't know and it's a bit jarring. |
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Re: The Book of Ace (Breathing Period)
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Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those. |
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Re: The Book of Ace (Breathing Period)
I'm in the same boat. Only know these guys briefly, but from my experience they're street-level villains, not full JLA level.
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Re: The Book of Ace (Breathing Period)
I have no problem dropping the team to 800 if that is what the majority want. However, I was basing them on the comics from Justice league of America 203-206 where they were able to neutralize Superman, Batman, Wonder-woman, Firestorm, Aquaman, Green Arrow, Flash, Black Canary and maybe others. Only to lose because they were betrayed by Jack. And remember that most Justice Leaguer are 250+ each with the core ones 300+. To have an equal match (number of figures that is) will be difficult at a 800 point team.
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Re: The Book of Ace (Breathing Period)
There are so many renditions of the Royal Flush Gang over the years, but I'm pretty sure this group might have been the most powerful.
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Re: The Book of Ace (Breathing Period)
Just for context, There is also versions of Doctor Doom that in the comics has taken on the whole Fantastic Four on his own but that doesn't justify us making base Doctor Doom 1000 points.
So with that I'm going off of the "just because they did it one time in the comics" doesn't equate what they should normally do. The top of that, I think it would be awesome to have another tight grouped army in the 800 point slot. And realistically it will let them get played a ton more than another 1000 point army. 2 vs 2 800 point per person (1600 per team) is a goto for us when we have 4. It's a nice point where you aren't too crazy big but enough points to create a decent army. Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those. |
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Re: The Book of Ace (Breathing Period)
Not an expert on power level here, only saw them once or twice somewhere and thought they were a neat team. I only wonder if you want any of them to be playable in other builds or do you prefer them only ever played together as a single team and that is it? In general terms, we have other King and Queen units, so do you want a Black Panther or Aquaman to be interchangeable into some of their synergy? For Ace in particular, as an Android do you envision him useful to draft into a Android themed army? I tend to lean towards making cards playable in multiple army builds. Team members of course should work well together first and foremost, but I like leaving them a little open to other build possibilities. So that might mean something like this here:
ACE UP THE SLEEVE If your X order marker is revealed on an Android, Aristocrat, King, or Queen Unique Hero card you control, after taking a turn with Ace you may reset your X order marker. I'm not sure if any of our current Androids, Kings, or Queens use the X marker, but it opens up some future design space if nothing else. |
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