The Book of Bumblebee

[IAmBatman]

Which figures are most worth using Carry on? I would think someone with passive defense over Punisher.

[Karat]

I'd ballpark him around 210-220. His OM management and extra move are good but not great
The disengage is what really bumps the usefulness of that power, followed by the OM management. I'd say that's worth around 45 points all together. Carry is a dang good.power no matter who has it and is probably worth another 30. The range bonus, though limited, is super helpful and is worth 25. Bringing us up to 100 just off of the powers. Being Large (or Huge) gives some inherent benefits and negatives and is probably worth another 15. He has 5 life, 6 life, and 5 defense. All of which are better than average worth about another 65. His rang and attack are about average and worth about another 30. Which brings the grand total to 210 which is probably where I'd start.

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Which figures are most worth using Carry on? I would think someone with passive defense over Punisher.

That depends on what you are tying to do. If you're trying to setup a kill box, then someone like Punisher would be your best choice. If you're trying to setup a defensive pod someone more like Sue or Beat Cops would be the best choice.

[Yodaking]

Yeah, I'm an aggressive player rather then a defense pod type of guy, so carrying Punisher up to High Ground as quickly as possible while boosting him further via Prime is more my lane. Bringing someone who can also boost Bee's defense isn't a bad though though, so maybe carry around Bane for both an att. and def. bonus whereever Bee goes? Not sure how potent Bizzarro is after the nerf, but maybe carrying him around could be effective too, but then you need to maximize the other aspect of his scouting (if you are not carrying up a potent offensive option into the battle) and boost someone's ranged attack. Not a ton of Cybertronian options right now to boost the range of though. How do you all feel about letting him boost the range of any figure with a base range of 4+ instead of limiting it to Cybertronians. Then you could try boosting the range of some Archers or something.

[Tornado]

I think that gets dangerous. I like the Transformers synergy aspect.

[Yodaking]

Okay, then I would certainly focus your testing efforts on maximizing how he works with Prime then. Getting a +2 att. from Prime on OM3 while not taking a turn with Prime on both OM1 & 2 is a significant tactical move. If you want to be attacking with Bee on OM3, then carrying Bane seems like a good idea for one of the tests.

[IAmBatman]

Yeah, Bane would be a good one to carry. I was thinking Jean with her Psionic Grip might be good to carry. Or someone like Robin (Dick Grayson) that you could use to tie up the enemy in engagement and basically keep Bee around longer.

[Karat]

Actually, I wonder if we couldn't chain Carrie's. Since I believe that we ruled that placement powers count as movement.

[Tornado]

Swift Carry probably would.

[Ronin]

You can't chain Carry into Carry. Legacy FAQ from Classic.

Probably the rules infrastructure to stop you from chaining Carry into Swift Carry into itself is not there, though.

[Scapemage]

Passive abilities are the best to Carry for sure. As mentioned, Bane and Jean Grey are great examples, as are units like Cosmic Boy. I think Bumblebee could live as a general support unit which I am okay with. He's pretty iconic in the Transformers realm (I'd say top 4 most recognizable given Optimus Prime, Megatron, and Starscream) so having him be a tool for general builds is a fun way to branch out.

[Tornado]

I think he will certainly have his place, his role, in the faction. He will offer some nice support and bee that one Autobot that can go places the others just cannot.

[Tornado]

I propose Initial at 210.


Competitive Checklist

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Does the design disrupt opponent's Order Markers in a way that offers a net gain in turns taken with strong figures versus the turns your opponent can take with strong figures (Ozymandias, Joker (I), Meteorite)?

No

Does the design offer auto-wounding that either doesn't require taking turns or is otherwise extremely efficient (War Machine, Jason Voorhees, Cosmic Cube)?

No.

Does the design immobilize figures or prevent turn-taking (Blob, Spider-Girl, Diablo, Green Lantern Alan)?

No.

Does the design move opponent's figures in a way that's easy to pull off and can move figures multiple spaces in multiple directions (Graviton, Magneto, Vulture)?

N/A.

Does the design allow for moving friendly figures without taking turns, or for moving 2+ friendly figures while still taking a turn (Martian Manhunter [I], Green Lantern John, Angel)?

Through Carry only.

Does the figure allow for two figures, one of them being a wide range of possible figures, to both attack on a single Order Marker (Zombie, Robot, Iron Patriot, Ms. Marvel, Rocket [II], Martian Manhunter [II], Nebula, Baby Groot, Havok)?

No.

Does the design offer any sort of passive boost outside of a narrow set of figures (Star-Lord, Sage, Brainiac 5, Captain America, Batman [III])?

No. Cybertronians only.

Does the design help keep your allies alive just by being nearby (Daring
Decoy, Aaron Cash, Jocasta, Weather Wizard)?

No.

Is it OK for the design to have defensive abilities that could make it essentially unkillable in some matchups or endgame situations (Cosmic Cube, Healing Factor, Master Martial Artist)?

N/A

If the figure has auto-destroy powers or powers that can force the opponent's figures to attack each other, are they balanced for strong opposing figures and/or boosts that can make the powers more reliable (Puppet Master, Psycho-Man, Enchantress)?

N/A

Is the figure likely to earn its value many times over by either running out alone at the start of a battle (pre-eval Crow, Solomon Grundy) or by sitting in the startzone until the end of a battle (Arnim Zola, Silk Spectre)?

No.

Will synergies in the design create concerns for future designs (Mad Thinker, pre-eval Enchantress, Star-Lord)?

No.

Does the design combo particularly well with one of the design concerns above (Magma)?

Not really. Going to be best with other Transformers.

Consistency Concerns

Spoiler Alert!

Name and Identity
Verify character is named in a way that is clear, accurate and feels consistent with the way other characters are named.
Cleared.


Uniqueness and Type
Verify that the power text reflects the listed uniqueness and type, that the uniqueness fits the character, and that squad size is listed for squads.
Cleared.


Left Box
If the character's species, class or personality is reused, verify that the character feels thematically consistent with other figures that have that species, class or personality. If they are not reused, verify that there is no pre-existing species, class or personality that would make more sense.
Cleared.

Size and Height
Verify that the listed size and height are accurate. Standing the mini up next to a stack of tiles, and a few other minis of various sizes, is encouraged.
Cleared. Though there is some debate here on size (not height) and if it should be single or double based.


Super Strength and Flying
Verify that these special powers are present if they make sense, and not if they don't.
Cleared.

New Powers - Names
Verify that any new powers are not using power names identical to, or very similar to, pre-existing powers. Verify that any new powers are actually new and not old powers with new names.
Cleared.

New Powers - Effects
Verify that the effect and timing of all new powers is clear. Verify that any logical immunities, benefits, or weaknesses (whether those be necessary for thematic or mechanical reasons) are implemented: consider whether defensive powers that work against normal attacks should also work against special attacks, whether or not a power has an elemental component that some figures should resist, and whether or not unliving figures (such as Undead and Androids) should be affected.
Cleared.

Reused Powers
Verify that the design is reusing powers in place of creating new ones, where reused powers could implement the same theme and mechanics with no differences or only trivial differences. Verify that any reused powers have the correct text.
Cleared.

Power Level
Verify that the character's movement, attack, range, and defense (in conjunction with any special powers that enhance those stats) feel consistent with the capabilities of characters with analogous powers and abilities. Verify that the character falls into a similar point range to characters with comparative powers and abilities.
Cleared.