The Book of Hank Pym

[Tornado]

Cool.
You need to add Breathing or something to the title.

[tcglkn]

Text currently fits on the card at 6.3 so you have a tiny bit of extra room but not much and we should lean towards cutting, not adding words.

[MrNobody]

Originally Posted by Lord Pyre

Seems fine! Seems like a lot of eggs in a fragile basket, but could be fun!

Yeah, that's my main worry. His main feature will be expanding the survivability of the other Pyms (and maybe some robots), but you're also investing a lot more points than you would to get a single Pym. I'm gonna try this version out, and if it feels bad I have some ideas to switch things up.

Originally Posted by Arch-vile

I like it. Any reason you're cutting out Yellowjacket (I) from the mix? You could word it like this and bring him in too.

I personally feel like him switching costume while staying the same size is a bit silly, but I'm also not hugely averse to it.

Originally Posted by johnny139

Yeah, I'd probably go with "You may draft one tiny or small Hank Pym that is a Scientist and one large or huge Hank Pym that is a Scientist." just to make sure we capture all potential permutations of the size change.

That sounds good. And yeah, kinda slipped up by listing small instead of tiny.

Originally Posted by tcglkn

Text currently fits on the card at 6.3 so you have a tiny bit of extra room but not much and we should lean towards cutting, not adding words.

Cool, thanks! Could always cut this clause if needed;

If another Hank Pym you control would be destroyed, instead place two Wound Markers on this card and immediately replace the Hank Pym you control with another Hank Pym in your army, if possible.

I kinda like that line, just cause it makes him switch things up a bit, like he's frantically cycling through sizes trying to stay alive, but I also don't think it's absolutely needed.

[Arch-vile]

I mean, he's already switching costumes to get to Huge Yellowjacket. My thought is that you might as well allow the two Yellowjackets to switch with each other.

[MrNobody]

Originally Posted by Arch-vile

I mean, he's already switching costumes to get to Huge Yellowjacket. My thought is that you might as well allow the two Yellowjackets to switch with each other.

Yeah but Pym Particles mean you can do anything when you change size.

I can make that change, especially now that I'm in the text-cutting mindset. I like YJ I a lot, so it would be cool to see him get a boost. As long as drafting YJ II and Giant-Man together doesn't become the go-to strategy, it's all good to me.

[IAmBatman]

I definitely want to keep that clause, cuz otherwise you're stuck with vulnerable normal Pym for a second attack after Giant-Man is destroyed and you'll get KO'ed with more Pym forms off the battlefield ready to go. I think that clause really makes things work the way you'd want.

[MrNobody]

COMPETITIVE REVIEW BOARD CHECKLIST

Spoiler Alert!

Efficiency- Check to see if your design is providing armies with turns/moves/etc. to a degree that would make it difficult or impossible for an opponent to keep up with your output.

1. Does your design allow itself or figures to move/attack/take a turn/etc. instead of/in addition to your normal turn for revealing an Order Marker? Is it granting these benefits to too broad a range of units? Does it combine with other powers to create overly long or powerful chains of actions?
Yes, it allows you to take a turn with a different Pym. Not worried at all.

2. Does your design allow you to take actions during an opponent's turn? Can it combine with other powers to create tediously long reactions to enemy actions or a restrictive environment?
Nope.

3. Does your design allow you to rearrange your Order Markers or otherwise bypass the costs of Order Marker requirements on the special powers of other figures?
Nah.

4. Is your design doing anything outside of a player's turn, at the start or end of the round? Is the effect too powerful by itself or when combined with other powers?
He can heal or hurt a mechanical figure. It's an already existing power. Not worried.

5. Does your design have any powers that trigger anytime it moves as opposed to only when it moves normally on its turn? Will it be too efficient when combined with figures that grant extra moves to figures?
Nope.

6. Is your design adding or subtracting from initiative rolls? Will it pair too easily with other figures that alter initiative or have powers triggering on the results of initiative rolls?
Nuh-uh.

Potency- Check to see if your design is wounding/removing/etc. enemy figures, increasing the chances of other figures in your army doing so, or otherwise directly effecting the number of figures available to players to a degree that would make it difficult or impossible for an opponent to recover from.

1. Does your design have a chance to inflict wounds or destroy figures? Is it getting these chances too frequently or having to high a chance of success? Is the power balanced against expensive targets that can cause a massive swing in the game when destroyed?
Once at the end of each round. Not worried.

2. Is your design adding to the stats or 20-sided die rolls of other figures in your army? Is it a boosting a broad enough range of units effectively enough to become a 'mandatory' draft or inhibit future design space? Can it be combined with other boosts too easily?
Nope.

3. Will your design benefit from stat boosts or other enhancement to an overpowering degree? Will it restrict future growth within its faction or point cost by limiting available boosts to others?
Nah.

4. Does your design take control of enemy figures permanently or temporarily? Is it too difficult to for your opponent to regain control of their figure or recover from the losing the figure? Does the method of taking control expose the enemy figure to the powers of other figures in your army that can easily destroy it?
Nope.

5. Can your design heal itself or others or revive itself or others? Is it doing so in a way that an opponent cannot hope to overcome in certain scenarios?
Yes. Not worried.

6. Does your design place enemy figures on its card or otherwise have an unconventional method of temporarily removing enemy figures from play? Will it guarantee your victory against a single remaining enemy figure?
Nuh-uh.

Chicanery- Check to see if your design is preventing your opponent from taking actions with too much ease or is otherwise causing negative play experience through tactics that make your opponent feel you're 'not playing fair'

1. Does your design restrict the movement of enemy figures, or allow you to move enemy figures? Can it do so in a way that results in an unwinnable scenario for your opponent if they are down to one figure, posses only figures with a range of 1, etc.? Can your design easily combine with other figures to greatly impede enemy figures or otherwise gain an excessive advantage?
Nope.

2. Does your design effect/change the placement of an enemy's Order Markers, or remove their Order Markers entirely? Can it force Order Markers to go onto cards that have no figures on the battlefield? Can your design easily combine with other figures to completely dictate the placement of an enemy's Order Markers or remove all of their Order Markers?
Nah.

3. Does your design inhibit your opponent from attacking your figures or make attacking a losing proposition? Are there scenarios or combinations that make your opponent totally unable to harm your figures through attacking?
Nope.

4. Does your design directly negate the powers of enemy figures or otherwise ignore them in a way that can completely disrupt the opponent's strategy or leave them feeling like they are stuck playing figures without special powers?
No.

5. Does your design become overly powerful in a podded group of figures, or provide significant benefit to your army without leaving your Start Zone?
He could sit in the SZ and repair robots, but I'm not worried.

6. You can attack your own figures in Heroscape, does your design have any powers that will trigger off of doing so or otherwise wounding/destroying your own figures? Is this intentional on your part? Will the design be too efficient or potent when doing so?
Nope.

CONSISTENCY CHECKLIST (LONG FORM)

Spoiler Alert!

1. Are the character’s name and secret identity listed in a consistent format with the rest of the project? If the character shares a name and/or secret identity with another character is it properly clear whether or not they are the same character?
Yep.

2. Consider the listed Species. Are the design’s power level, point level, and statistics (life, move, range, attack, and defense numbers) within the established range for that species? If it’s an outlier, is there thematic justification for this?
Intentionally consistent with Bruce Banner, just with 4 life.

3. Consider the listed Uniqueness. Does the power text properly reflect whether the figure is a Hero or a squad, and whether it is Event, Unique, Uncommon, or common? If it’s Event, are the powers written with consideration for Event Hero rules? If it’s Uncommon, are the powers written to avoid stacking? If it’s common, are the powers written with this in mind?
Aye aye captain.

4. Consider the Class and Personality. For each, is it a reuse? If so, is the character thematically consistent with other members of that Class or Personality? If not, is there a preexisting Class or Personality that would fit as well that could be used instead? Are there any existing synergies with that Class or Personality that are undesirable or that this Design would create that would be undesirable for preexisting members of that Class or Personality?
Scientists - Obvious synergies. All previous Pyms have also been Scientists.
Insecure - No synergies. Re-use from Electro, Armor, and Stature. Previous Pyms have been Innovative, Self-Doubting, and Conflicted.

5. Consider the listed Size. If the figure is double based, is it Large or Huge? Is the chosen miniature’s physical size consistent with other miniatures in the chosen size category?
Yes.

6. Consider the listed Height. If you stack hexes up next to the figure, does the number listed for the height match up the layers of stacked hexes that match the miniature’s physical height?
Medium 5.

7. Consider the listed Life number. Is this number consistent with other figures of the same species?
4 is standard.

8. Consider the listed Move number. Is this number consistent with other figures of that power level?
5 is standard.

9. Consider the listed Range and Attack numbers. Is this number consistent with other figures that use the same type of weapon or power to attack?
1/2 feels pretty standard for someone who is basically a human with limited combat training.

10. Consider the listed Defense number. Is this number consistent with other figures of the same or similar species and with the same or similar armor or other defensive equipment?
See above. 3 feels right here.

11. Does the figure have Super Strength? If it does or doesn’t, was this determined on the standard of that character demonstrating three things: A. The ability to throw a car B. The ability to survive a fall from a tall building and C. The ability to knock back another person when punching them?
No super strength. He's a regular guy.

12. Examine all of the special powers. Are there other powers that fit the same theme already in existence in the project? If so, can they be reused? If they can’t, can those other powers be used as a basis for the mechanics and wording?
1 re-use (from Gizmo) and 2 new powers based pretty closely off of Beast Boy.

13. Examine any movement powers. Do they keep the figure’s speed consistent with other figures of their species and power level?
N/A.

14. Examine any offensive powers. Do they keep the figure’s offensive potential consistent with other figures with the same powers and power levels or skills and weaponry?
N/A.

15. Examine any defensive, healing, or other tanking powers. Do they keep the figure’s survivability consistent with other figures of the same powers or power level or species and armor class?
The entire Hank Pym package will probably feel pretty durable, but that's fine by me.

16. Examine any leadership powers. Do they exceed the activation potential of the best existing leaders? If so, is there thematic justification for this?
N/A.

17. Consider any powers that reference darkness, electrical, figure movement, fire, gas, ice, kryptonite, light/sensory, magical, poison, psychic, stealth, or water-based abilities. Do these behave in similar ways to other powers of this type, including mentions of immunities?
N/A.

18. Is it clear for all special powers what phase of the turn and how they are triggered, what phase of the turn they are active in, and when and how they cease being active?
Probably.

19. Are special powers listed in game, round, and turn order?
Yep.

20. If a special power includes a D20 roll, does it make sense to list a number by the title?
N/A.

21. If a power is being reused, are the title and wording copied accurately?
Yep.

22. Has the power title or a very similar one been used before with vastly different mechanics?
Nope.

[japes]

How about just restricting it so no two Pyms can be the same size

"You may draft other Hank Pym's that is are Scientist as long as none of them have the same size."

Even shorter.

[IAmBatman]

Do we have anybody who can heal someone when they're off the battlefield? I don't think we do, but I'm thinking if we did, that'd pair really well here, since you could "hide" Pym off the battlefield with 2 wounds while he sends out Giant-Man or whomever again and a again.

[MrNobody]

Originally Posted by japes

How about just restricting it so no two Pyms can be the same size

"You may draft other Hank Pym's that is are Scientist as long as none of them have the same size."

Even shorter.

I’m thinking of just letting you draft all Hank Pyms, full stop.

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Do we have anybody who can heal someone when they're off the battlefield? I don't think we do, but I'm thinking if we did, that'd pair really well here, since you could "hide" Pym off the battlefield with 2 wounds while he sends out Giant-Man or whomever again and a again.

Nothing generalist, I believe. I’ll do an Index search later, but we just don’t have that many generalist healers overall.

[japes]

Originally Posted by MrNobody

I’m thinking of just letting you draft all Hank Pyms, full stop.

Nothing generalist, I believe. I’ll do an Index search later, but we just don’t have that many generalist healers overall.

Fine by me. As you are aware I only care about getting Ant-Man and Giant-Man in the battle together so however you manage that works for me. Thanks for running this.

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by MrNobody

Nothing generalist, I believe. I’ll do an Index search later, but we just don’t have that many generalist healers overall.

Cool. I don't think so either, it's just the only way I can think of to try to manipulate/break these guys off hand. Doesn't seem like the type of thing we should really add either.

And I guess if it's problematic for him, it is for Beast Boy too (and Beastie can actually heal himself). Doesn't seem like something that's terribly breakable if we haven't done it with Gar.