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Re: The Book of Ana Karithon
I guess I don't really see the point of Migol, though. Sure, he's a nice tank, but unless your opponent is forced to attack him before Raelin, I don't see how you really profit from the synergy with Ana. Tandros's combat challenge makes it a bit easier to force opponents to go through him before digging into AnaRae... but honestly, I'd rather have some rats or other blockers that can cover more hexes.
Here's a bit more in-depth analysis of AnaRae pods, since this is the only thing I've been really proxy testing out of this set. Ana+Raelin is 180 points; that's the no-brainer element of this pod. At that point, there's a few things you can really use:
Syvarris gives you 1 and 2. Sonlen gives you 2 and a bit of 4, and heals on top of that. Kaemon gives you 1 and 2 (not at the same time, though), a bit of 3, and 4. In my opinion, those are the "big 4" that really go well with the AnaRae pod. Other notables include Silver Surfer (1&4) and Iron Man (1&2). Tandros and Rats are the obvious choices for blockers. If you go with Sonlen, you can throw on Q9 or Q10 (1, 2, and 4) as an untethered hero, who doesn't worry about adjacency with Ana, in stead relying on Sonlen healing and Raelin defense. Some sample builds: Syvarris loves ladies of all races 80 Raelin RotV 100 Ana Karithon 20 Kyntela Gwyn 100 Syvarris 300, 4 hexes A nice lightweight build, even if it only has one offensive threat. Pretty strong if the sightlines are open and your opponent doesn't have rats. Toss in some rats (or WoA, who stick by Kyntela) at 380/400. No-Marvel medium hero pod 80 Raelin RotV 100 Ana Karithon 160 Sonlen 120 Kaemon Awa 460, 4 hexes Pretty solid, especially with some blockers thrown in. Sonlen and Kaemon provide a nice 1-2 punch. Sonlen activations give you double healing. Ranged squads are an issue, since they can attack 3-4 times to your 1. No-Marvel hero pod with soulborg assistance 80 Raelin RotV 100 Ana Karithon 160 Sonlen 150/180 Major Q10/Q9 490/520, 5 hexes This is probably the most reliable build if you can't use Marvel. Machine Pistol or the Q-gun really solve your problems with ranged squads, and Sonlen can heal the soulborg. Again, rats or other blockers are nice to slow down advancing figures. At higher point levels, if you're playing on a map with lots of LoS blockers, you can try to use Nilfheim+blockers in stead of the Major. I haven't tested that, but I think it could work. Wohoo! Marvel! 80 Raelin RotV 100 Ana Karithon 100 Syvarris 220 Captain America 500, 4 hexes This is the army I brought up before. If Marvel is allowed, Captain America is about as much of a no-brainer with Ana as Raelin is, really. Opponents are typically going to try to take out Raelin first, and buffing her defense is a real enhancement to the build. The AnaRaeCap trio is 400 points, and Syvarris makes perfect sense to hit 500. Given that Captain America also boosts regular attack, and comes with his own multiple special attack, I much prefer adding Syvarris over Kaemon in this build. You can throw in Kyntela and/or blockers, too, of course. --- One thing I didn't note in my first message is that the first step of this army, "Find a high spot, and form a diamond with Syvarris at the tip, Raelin in the back, and CA and Ana adjacent to both", is easier said than done. Most "good" maps getting built these days tend to deny you nice high spots within one walking activation of your start zone. Your shooters can shoot as they move up, so this might not be an issue for them, and Raelin flies into place pretty quickly. But spending two OMs on Ana can cost you precious time. This can tempt you to add Theracus/Brunak/Saylind to the build to help get Ana into place, although this cuts into a build that is already tight on points. Of course, a well-positioned Theracus could really clog things up for a melee army. Last edited by dok; December 24th, 2009 at 04:32 PM. |
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Re: The Book of Ana Karithon
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80 Raelin 100 Ana 110 Laglor 120 Skahen 410 points For blockers you have 1x Rats @ 450, Izumi Samurai @ 470, and 2x rats @ 590. I don't need no instructions to know how to rock.
Last edited by Xn F M; December 24th, 2009 at 05:25 PM. Reason: Thanks Dok, I did the math with Cap at 240 not 220, shows how often I play him |
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Re: The Book of Ana Karithon
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I like the Vydar build a lot if Marvel is disallowed, but I'll stick with CA otherwise. |
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Re: The Book of Ana Karithon
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80 Deathreavers x2 80 Raelin RotV 100 Ana Karithon 100 Syvvaris 220 Captain America 580, 12 hexes versus 105 Sir Gilbert 140 Knights of Weston x2 140 4th Mass x2 185 Nilfheim 570, 19 hexes I played this fight out three times, all on Fossil. The glyphs were Valda and Lodin. For the AnaRae pod, the strategy was to set up on the sandy 7-hexer; this isn't the highest ground on the map, but trying to set up in the middle of the map was pretty much a non-starter. For the other army, it was pretty much Nilfheim, then knights, then 4th. In the first two games, Nilfheim pretty much singlehandedly ruined the pod. He was able to kill a couple rats on the way in, then (disengaging if needed) land in the middle of the 7-hexer and start going after Raelin and Ana immediately. With the cheerleaders taken out, things were pretty much over. It was only on the third run-though that Nilfheim's kamikaze charge was blunted - I managed to swarm him with a full squad of rats, which bought enough time to set up the pod. When Nilfheim was forced to contend with the organized diamond, he was less effective. He managed to kill four rats and put two wounds on Raelin, one on Ana and one on Syvarris before going down. That may sound like a lot, but it really didn't matter once the pod was set up. The remaining rats slowed the advance of the knights enough for Syvarris and Captain America to bring them down. While the 4th used height advantage to take down Syvarris and, finally, Raelin, it was too little too late. Captain America (who never took a wound all game) easily cleaned up. The moral of the story is that this army, while potentially very, very effective, is extremely map/situation dependent. Ana is well worth her points if the pod actually gets set up, but getting set up in the right spot can be a real challenge. Last edited by dok; December 30th, 2009 at 12:42 AM. |
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Re: The Book of Ana Karithon
Would this have still worked if the 4th stayed back and just sniped off the rats from range? It seems to me that this Ana/Syvarris/Cap/Raelin pod would just be too slow to react. If you picked off the rats from beyond Syvarris's range, could you have broken up the pod and forced your opponent to come to you?
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The 4th were actually able to approach behind LoS blockers and emerge on height, relative the pod. But they couldn't hit Raelin without going to even ground. As I said, the real killer for the AnaRae pod was Nilfheim rushing in and keeping it from setting up in a decent spot. Any fast-hitting opponent is going to give the pod trouble. |
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Re: The Book of Ana Karithon
How about this, borrowing a little bit from KCU Master 2007:
AnaRaeSkaLagitas Ana - 100 Raelin - 180 Agent Skahen - 300 Laglor - 410 Nakita Agents - 530 Instead of using Rats or WoA or what have you for a screen, use the Nakitas. Start the Nakitas in the front of the pack, but use Skahen for your activations and move the Nakitas with Cover Fire. Like battle reports? Click Tourney Reports (New 10/21/2012 - Cutters / Brutes!) KC's Maps Click KC's Customs Scaper of the Week #57 |
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Re: The Book of Ana Karithon
Her healing works all the time (as long as your hero is adjacent to her and is using OMs). I think that is where her real point value is. Utgar opponents are common enough so the small defense buff will work often enough. The undead blast thing...well, that will not be used so much. However, if you are drafting her for the purpose of fighting undead you are drafting her for the wrong reason.
"I wish my iPad would stop trying to autocorrect all the heroscape names for me." Good Trades I have had. Collection Guide for Recommended Quantities. |
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Re: The Book of Ana Karithon
Right, what TR said. Briefly:
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Re: The Book of Ana Karithon
So I just got my Master Set 3 in and played a game against my friend. We played the last scenario map as a free for all, all good guys against all bad guys. I got to be the heroes. I lost Erevan and Darrack early on. I was able to hold a choke point with Tandros and Ana. It turned into a game of attrition. I finally wore my friend down to the Feral Troll and Pelloth. Ana's healing is invaluable. End game came down to troll vs. Tandros. Ana allowed me to hold out and win.
She is definitely a good figure in this type of game, we'll see how she does in a "competitive" game. |
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Re: The Book of Ana Karithon
It seems she would go best with med. hero figures that have range on them. Off the top I think Kamon would be a good draft with her, even though he is often used as a clean up figure. The points and order markers would be a bit much for a tournment but I could see her working well with Skahan. Though generally if there are melee figures ajesent to Skahan she is going down quick.
Nothing tournment viable but just fun to play would be: Laglor 110 Raelin:80 Ana:100 Skhan:120 Tandros:100 Total 510 Would be hard to set up and you would not get to many attack per order marker but in theory you should have a solid defence against range and Melee if you position Tandros Raelin and Ana right. |
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