Uprooted Tree

[Ericth74]

Uprooted Tree



Card PDF

NAME = UPROOTED TREE

SIZE = LARGE 2

LIFE = 1
DEFENSE = 3

HINDERING TERRAIN 1
All figures may move through this figure, counting each space as +1 Move.

UPROOTED
When a figure with the Tree keyword is removed from the battlefield, replace it with Uprooted Tree.

PUBLISHER =
KEYWORDS = Nature
SYMBOLS= HEAT WEAKNESS

REINFORCEMENTS ARRIVE: If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

Resources and Rulings

• The suggested figure for this unit is a: painted 3D printable Gloomhaven terrain piece.
  The file can be found here: thingiverse, printed at 115%.
• See this card's wiki page for synergies and strategies!

Credits

• Legacy design: Dr. Jekyll
• Card art: japes

Updates

• N/A

[Ericth74]

1.0 design

No changes from 1.0

[japes]

The one thing I did want to discuss, and sorry for forgetting earlier when we spoke, is the uprooted power makes it seem like this is a tree stump, yet the mini used and the image makes it look like the remains of a fallen tree. So what is the intent. If it's the fallen/thrown tree then it shouldn't be "before tree is moved" but more before it is removed/defeated whatever we went with there.

That way a tree is thrown...destroyed, but the space it landed in now hindered terrain and not just the space it was planted?

[Yodaking]

Just want to make sure we are all on the same page here. When I throw a 1 life large tree at someone, I replace it with this 3 life uprooted tree before rolling the attack dice, then roll 1 damage dice for each skull rolled in the attack and inflict those wounds to the 3 life Uprooted tree.

[IAmBatman]

Makes sense to me that if you yank a tree out of the ground to toss it, what you are actually tossing is the uprooted tree. Tree of Life luckily can’t be moved so the life to death cycle doesn’t get interrupted. Good job thinking that through!

I agree with YK’s interpretation of the mechanics. Do we want to make this 1 Life so things are a bit less weird there?

Second ability should be a instead of an.

First ability I would tweak to:

HINDERING TERRAIN 2
Figures may move through Uprooted Tree, counting each space as +1 Move.

[japes]

Originally Posted by Yodaking

Just want to make sure we are all on the same page here. When I throw a 1 life large tree at someone, I replace it with this 3 life uprooted tree before rolling the attack dice, then roll 1 damage dice for each skull rolled in the attack and inflict those wounds to the 3 life Uprooted tree.

I think some of that hinges on the intent of this. If it's meant to sit in the space the tree was pre-thrown (which may be odd with it being a multi-space object) then it would go as soon as the tree is "broken off it's trunk to be thrown. If it's meant to be the leftover tree after it's knocked over/thrown/destroyed it would need to be worded to be placed after a defeated or removed tree.

But I don' think it's ever meant to be rolling the damage dice against this thing after a tree is thrown.

[japes]

For posterity, since I was one of the four of us sitting at the table when this idea was birthed and one of three in the truck discussing how it could work...

Dr. J, Spidey, LV, and I were playing a game on Icy road and the trees were a usual target at that con. Spidey wanted something to mark the space because we were playing lots of games on the map and we kept forgetting where the trees went . So we started joking about tree stump DO's to replace the trees. On the ride home we discussed more. Back then throwing the trees wasn't really a usual thing...just knocking them over. So we started thinking about having the trunk taking up spaces and blocking movement after the tree fell over. So that's why it's not a stump and it's now a stick.

Fast forward to 2.0 where throwing is now a common thing and I think for this to fit the same intent it needs to occupy the space the tree would sit after it's thrown. Which means it needs to be after said tree is destroyed...so I think the wording needs to reflect that. Because if it's replacing the tree before it's moved...then it's almost never going to be hindering terrain since it's likely going to be destroyed on the damage die after the attack.

[IAmBatman]

Hmm that does still leave the weirdness of a tree surviving the throw and staying upright but that’s a thing independent of this design so maybe not an issue.

I do think 3 life is too much regardless.

[MrNobody]

Fire Weakness?

[Tornado]

This one was always hard for me to grasp. So it goes from single space to double space as soon as it moves which means it may not be able to be placed, in which case it is destroyed or would you not be able to throw it in the first place?
I agree its Life should not increase unless if you say the 1 Life is just what it takes to uproot or fall the original tree.

[japes]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Hmm that does still leave the weirdness of a tree surviving the throw and staying upright but that’s a thing independent of this design so maybe not an issue.

I do think 3 life is too much regardless.

Agree on the life. Do trees stay upright when surviving. Seems odd thematically but mechanically it may be needed.

Originally Posted by MrNobody

Fire Weakness?

Good call.

Originally Posted by Tornado

This one was always hard for me to grasp. So it goes from single space to double space as soon as it moves which means it may not be able to be placed, in which case it is destroyed or would you not be able to throw it in the first place?
I agree its Life should not increase unless if you say the 1 Life is just what it takes to uproot or fall the original tree.

Until I read that they stay upright when thrown but survive I had this typed up "Well since thrown objects aren't auto destroyed any more...that tree needs a landing space anyway. This would just take that space if it's destroyed."

But now I'm not sure what the response is.

[Yodaking]

I wasn't sure at first about the switching from 1 life standing tree to 3 life fallen over tree, but after thinking about it a bit I kind of think it works. Say Hulk pulls a tree up out of the ground and throws it at Deadshot. He rolls 3 skulls with that SA, which generates 3 damage dice vs. the uprooted tree. If you roll all skulls on those damage die, the uprooted tree is never placed as it is destroyed in the process of being thrown at Deadshot. If less that 3 skulls are rolled on the damage dice, then the uprooted tree is placed down next to Deadshot with some number of life left, creating a movement obstacle for some or an object that can be thrown once more by others.