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Old November 4th, 2012, 01:09 PM
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Re: The Book of Red Arrow - Design

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I take it this Red Arrow isn't the Clone version that's on Young Justice
I was wondering about about that. Was Roy cloned in the comics like in Young Justice? I couldn't find any evidence of it.
Not unless that's some New 52 thing I'm unaware of.

Anyway, this version is Human.

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Old November 5th, 2012, 11:58 PM
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Re: The Book of Red Arrow - Playtesting

Thanks! I'm feeling pretty good about 150 thus far.

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C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT (Red Arrow)

- THEME TEST/
Pass

- MIRROR TEST/
Pass

- BONDING TEST/
Pass

- SYNERGIES TEST/
Pass

- POWER CHECK/
Pass

- FUN TEST/
Pass

- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/
Pass

- DRAFTING TEST/
Pass

- USAGE TEST/
Pass

- STRATEGY TEST/
Pass
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Army Test
- Does it pass
, Yes or No? Yes.
- What should be the unit's point value? 150.
- Give a brief overview. This game really showed Red Arrow's potential in a Sidekick army. The Sidekicks are great at screening for Red Arrow so that he can get his shots off. Just as Robin+Green Arrow+Black Canary can bond, so can any Sidekick+Spoiler+Red Arrow for a nasty triple turn (though not as nasty since they don't hit quite as hard). He didn't feel overpowered, but he added a much need boost to the sidekicks.
Map: Icy Road.
Units: Red Arrow, Robin (Tim), Robin (Dick), Spoiler, Jubilee, 1x Amazon Warriors (580) vs Kingpin, Punisher, Lady Shiva (575).
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Army Test
- Does it pass
, Yes or No? Yes.
- What should be the unit's point value? 150.
- Give a brief overview. Went for a more archer oriented team this time. Green Lantern was great for carrying them into position, but without a good set of screeners (like the Sidekicks), Red Arrow wasn't able to do much. Once he gets engaged his bonding stops working. It could work with the right team set-up, but pure archers really isn't the way to go, especially against a bunch of heavy hitters like the Fan4.
Map: Icy Road.
Units: Red Arrow, GL John Stewart, Bane, Green Arrow (Oliver), Green Arrow (Hawke) (960) vs Mister Fantastic, Jocasta, The Thing, Invisible Woman (955).
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Old November 7th, 2012, 11:31 AM
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Re: The Book of Red Arrow - Playtesting

Thanks for all the tests! They look great!

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C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Red Arrow

- THEME TEST/ Check to see if there are any powers or stats on the test unit card that does not accurately reflect the theme or likeness of what the character would and could do. Also consider destructible objects, and whether or not this characters powers should affect them.
Pass, love it

- MIRROR TEST/ Check to see if the unit were played against itself, if there would be any loops that would upset the balance of the Game.
Pass

- BONDING TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing Bonding abilities to make sure there are no continual Bonding possibilities that do not stop appropriately or do not stop at all. This is to prevent loops in Bonding.
Pass (Maybe?) I found that a Robin, Red Arrow, Spoiler combination is possible allowing 3 attacks per turn. And once Speedy (Mia, that is) is introduced, I am guessing that she will be both a Sidekick (with bonding to an archer) and an Archer. A combination of Green Arrow, Red Arrow and Speedy would allow for 3 ranged attacks per turn. This could be very scary.

- SYNERGIES TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing synergies to make sure there are no factors that could break the game by making any unit to powerful or too weak.
Pass, but see above.

- POWER CHECK/ Consider the test unit and all existing units and all glyphs to compare to and check for any powers that could be over amplified and break the game. Each power must define when it takes place, who or what it affects, and What are the stipulations on the power if there are any.
Pass

- FUN TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play.
Pass

- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play against.
Pass

- DRAFTING TEST/ Consider whether or not this design is worth drafting.
Pass

- USAGE TEST/ Consider whether or not all of the powers on this card were used or at least usable.
Pass, but Furious Assault was rarely used. Not too surprising from an archer though.

- STRATEGY TEST/ Consider whether or not the design offers any real strategy or interesting tactics to the overall game.
Pass.

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes

- What should be the unit's point value? 150, it was a close match
- Give a brief overview. I really expected Hawkeye to win as Red Arrow’s most useful special power requires other teammates.
Map: Ravaged Road
Units: Red Arrow (150) (150) VS. Hawkeye (150) (150)

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes

- What should be the unit's point value? 150
- Give a brief overview. The map may have been a poor choice as it really shined for the archers. They just took to high ground and shot at the assassins running down the road. Red Arrow only got to use his Speed Shot a few times as he was either out of range or an enemy was engaged with him to prevent it. Although the Vigilantes won I expected more from Red Arrow as this army was built to specifically use his Speed Shot. The only way to have made this army better would have been to include a character who can fly and carry their teammates to the high ground.
Map: Ravaged Road
Units: VIGILANTES (890) Red Arrow (150), Green Arrow (Conner) (130), Green Arrow (Oliver) (150), Robin (120), Black Canary (190), Batman (Terry) (150) VS. ASSASSINS (890) Huntress (class changed to Assassin by Lady Shiva)(170), Ra’s al Ghul (200), Ubu (100), Merlyn (160), Lady Shiva (175), Hand Ninja (85)
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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes

- What should be the unit's point value? 150
- Give a brief overview. After the first 2 playtests I was going to choose a different map. I don’t like changing multiple variables however and instead tried to design a team that would break through the Archer’s range. The result was most of the Rogues who would have flying abilities, fog cover, special defense abilities and some attacking powers. Red Arrows team was most of the same from the previous test as there are few (4 currently) archers and sidekicks for him to bond with and I did not want to use Oliver Queen again. The battle itself allowed for many Speed Shot attacks and this was a factor in the game. Red Arrow was also chosen to be the highest point character and he did last the longest.
Map: Ravaged Road
Units: SIDEKICKS (450) Robin(120), Green Arrow (Connor) (130), Red Arrow (150), Spoiler (50) VS. TRICKSTERS (450) Weather Wizard (100), Trickster (65), Trapster (75), Pied Piper (80), Mirror Master (130)
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Re: The Book of Red Arrow - Playtesting

I think I've seen enough to support 150 for me. I propose we move to final editing at 150.

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Re: The Book of Red Arrow - Playtesting

Yeah, three attacks per turn isn't something squads can't manage and they're all pretty low cost heroes. Yea
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Re: The Book of Red Arrow - VOTE for Final Editing

Yep. And Speedy (either version) most definitely does not have turn bonding with an Archer.

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Re: The Book of Red Arrow - VOTE for Final Editing

Speedy Roy wouldn't be able to be in the same army as Red Arrow Roy anyway.

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Re: The Book of Red Arrow - VOTE for Final Editing

yea to editing

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Re: The Book of Red Arrow - VOTE for Final Editing

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Re: The Book of Red Arrow - VOTE for Final Editing

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Re: The Book of Red Arrow - VOTE for Final Editing

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Very true! At least as of now.

Down to A3n on the voting here.

Any concerns with the power text, SirG?

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Re: The Book of Red Arrow - VOTE for Final Editing

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Any concerns with the power text, SirG?
No worries. Recycled and straightforward.

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