The Book of Thunderball

[Hahma]

That's fine and I can certainly roll with the suggested change, I was just trying to come up with something different that people didn't think was boring Though reaching up to hit something 8 levels high isn't quite the same as a normal adjacency attack for a 5 height figure.


I'm fine making the change, but when I get to Wrecker, I don't want to hear how Demolition is too much like Ball and Chain Slam because of being able to move figures. They will be different enough even if the wording for Demolition needs tweaking. Demolition is kind of important to me (in whatever form it ends up) because it helps show how Wrecker will knock a building out from under his enemy to get them down to fight.

[Good Pig]

To make it different, Demolition could have some extra oomph against DOs?

[Griffin]

That sounds good.

[IAmBatman]

Yeah, I'd think Demolition should tear apart DOs with relative ease.

[Hahma]

Originally Posted by Griffin

Since his height is 5 and the range is 1, I feel like that is just unnecessary. I mean it is just a handicap away from the normal adjacent rules for a height of 5 figure who can reach up to 4 levels.

I'm not sure if you misunderstood Griff, but he was going to be able to reach up to 8 levels as it was "3 levels higher than Thunderball's height", not just up to 3 levels from his base.

[Griffin]

I did misunderstand.

How often do you suspect that will be a factor though, and is it enough to make it useful/interesting.

[Hahma]

I don't know that in itself would have made it super useful or happen a lot, but it was something to make it kind of different. The thing that was going to be more useful was being able to choose a space instead of a figure, that way if you had 2 figures adjacent to you but they weren't adjacent to each other but separated by 1 space, TB could choose the space between them and affect them both instead of just getting to attack one of them. He'd be able to choose the space under a castle wall and affect a figure on the other side. That kind of stuff was the original intent, to help make it different and exciting enough because I know whenever I try to go simple, people always want more cowbell or whatever, so I was going with something a little less conservative.

The new direction that you and Bats came up with adds enough fun and is different enough to make him not so boring, it's also easier as far as gameplay. So that's what I'm going with and continuing testing with.

2 new Squad Tests added to test sheet.

Edit: Just finished Army Test 1, but won't be able to post until later.

[Griffin]

Originally Posted by Hahma

I know whenever I try to go simple, people always want more cowbell or whatever, so I was going with something a little less conservative.

If you go one way, I am gonna see if I can pull you the other way, and if you go the other way, I am gonna see if I can push you back. You know you can't win.

Just kidding. The design is looking great.

[IAmBatman]

For what it's worth, I totally dug the original space-based direction, but game mechanics make it too tough to do that one as intended.

[Hahma]

Originally Posted by Griffin

You know you can't win.

I know

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

For what it's worth, I totally dug the original space-based direction, but game mechanics make it too tough to do that one as intended.

Thanks. I tried to rectify that with the last revision (below), but it's too complicated for people to have to figure out what level different figures are on in relation to Thunderball. So I figured there was no sense in trying further, as it just wasn't meant to be and the new version is much simpler and straight forward.

BALL AND CHAIN SLAM SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 1. Attack 4.
Choose a space. All figures on or adjacent to the chosen space are affected by Ball And Chain Slam Special Attack as long as they are no more than 4 levels higher or lower than Thunderball's base. Roll attack dice once for all affected figures. Affected figures roll defense dice separately. Thunderball is not affected by his own Ball And Chain Slam Special Attack.

[Hahma]

Test sheet updated with both army tests. Thunderball did fine individually like Piledriver did. But I wouldn't add to the cost for either of them to account for The Wrecking Crew power as it's too random and Crew specific to be worth much. If their cost was too high based on that power, they'd under-perform too much to be worth drafting much IMO.

[Good Pig]

Ouch! X-Men loss was brutal. I think Piledriver and Thunderball might fair a little better against a squad based army like Hydra Agents/Masterminds or Street Thugs/Crimelords etc. A map with a few DO's will help too. Having all four of them together in an army will give you a lot more chances at activating Wrecking Crew.

180 looks good for testing.