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But is He a tyrant? I grabbed Merriam-Webster: Tyrant : a ruler who has complete power over a country and who is cruel and unfair : someone who uses power in a cruel and unfair way Clearly He has power. The question is whether or not He is cruel and unfair. I've got cruel as "disposed to inflict pain or suffering" and unfair as "marked by injustice, partiality, or deception". The gist of the Bible is this: God made everything perfect without pain or suffering and honestly warned Adam and Eve against the consequences of eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. After they ate, pain and suffering entered into the world as a consequence of their action. Desiring a future state where everyone who chose it would be able to once again live with Him without any pain or suffering, God began to unfold His plan to make that future possible. I know how God's plan started and I know how God's plan ends - everyone who chooses it living with God free from pain and suffering. This ongoing middle part where we all get from a to b is sometimes pretty hard to understand. Knowing that we started at "a" and are ending at "b" though, reassures me that even without my understanding of the plan, I can trust that it is working perfectly according to the design of the God who desires to live in peace, reconciled with us all. ~Aldin, trusting in God's perfect character He either fears his fate too much or his desserts are small That dares not put it to the touch to gain or lose it all ~James Graham |
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I can see how God could be dangerous, and perhaps marked as a tyrant. Mind you, to be completely perfect means to be everything and nothing at once. The infinite paradox, that is perfection. Could God be a tyrant and an Honored King at the same time? To believe in perfection... For him to be perfect... He must be both.
This is the discussion that we've owed to so many before us... Regardless of whom is the higher power, we have owed this discussion for so long... Logic is a wonderous thing. My customs. NE Ohio Tourney - TBA SW Ohio Tourney - NHSD 550 points AotV - Colliding the minis of AotP with the world of HS. Last edited by flameslayer93; January 14th, 2014 at 09:56 PM. Reason: Of course, I am referring to this entire discussion, not my drivel ^_^ |
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I can honestly happily debate most things, and I can accept other points of view, but when it comes to intolerance... I just can't accept that. Quote:
1: Persecute homosexuals; 2: Persecute those who don't believe in him; 3: Demand fealty; 4: Sideline women, giving them less rights than men; 5: Order that those who curse their parents even once should be put to death; 6: Order that those who have had sex prior to marriage be put to death; 7: Command that you should not sow your field with two varieties of seed or wear clothes of blended fabrics; 8: Decree that you should not round your hair; 9: Spread plagues and famines; 10: Forbid you from braiding your hair or wearing gold; 11: Condemn God knows how many people to eternal torment in Hell. Some of those are just silly, and the rest are downright cruel, and that probably isn't all. He is a dictator, a tyrant, a despot, and I still hold with hat quote from Philip Pullman - I have seen nothing to sway me. I had thought this through before, but if anything, debating it has made me think it through more, and made more sure of my position here. |
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Also I believe there must be some cases (definitely a minority of cases) where homosexuality was a life choice, not based on genetics, maybe I'm wrong there, but do you have definitive proof some cases people don't just decide that is what they want? Also you stated it may be genetically based in you original posts on the matter. I have no knowledge on the subject so: is it based on genetics or is it only a theory/hypothesis at this point in science? Last edited by Crixus33; January 14th, 2014 at 11:40 PM. Reason: I"m off to bed, sorry I won't be replying tonight, I apologize |
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But why would a just God choose to cut certain people out of "taking a small part in the creation of life?" and give them a desire that can never be fulfilled without sinning?
As for making a choice, that's simply not true. Some people might think they are homosexual and realize they aren't, or they could think they're heterosexual and realize they're homosexual. Plus, it's not like it's either or. See the Kinsey Scale. Tournament Armies Played - C3VRP - Customs - Trades I'm Krug in the Paradox Keep and Augamo on the Sacred Tundra. |
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Not going to wade any deeper into this discussion here, but as far as this particular argument goes, it doesn't actually prove much. We all have desires we can never fulfill without sinning.
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But in regard to the Original Post -- is there any opinion on if it is rude for someone to suggest that someone else should have kids? Isn't that the topic? |
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I see nothing wrong with being a homosexual. If it is best left as sin, then come journey to hell of your own volition. Much like God has the right to condemn you to Hell, you have the right to not be bothered by it. Punishment means nothing if you scoff and dust it off your shoulder. Of course, I believe that humanity will be its own demise. That the emd of the world will occur far after humans are extinct. ^_~ My customs. NE Ohio Tourney - TBA SW Ohio Tourney - NHSD 550 points AotV - Colliding the minis of AotP with the world of HS. |
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As to the genetics question, no actual 'gay gene' has been discovered at this time. I didn't actually say it was genetic - I said it was inbuilt. Fast difference. It could be it's something to do with genetics, or it could be something to do with hormones, or brain chemistry, or something we don't actually know about or understand now. The simple fact of the matter is that it is inbuilt, even if we don't understand why yet (I personally really hope that science does discover an explanation soon, both to satisfy my scientific curiosity and to give the homophobes out there even less grounds on which to claim it a life choice). Let me use heterosexual attraction as an example. You don't choose what women you're physically attracted to, do you? You don't take in the physical characteristics, think about it and then decide whether you find that woman attractive or not. You just look at them and there's some kind of unconscious pull - you can't help it, it's just there. Sometimes, by examining past experiences of what you found attractive before and what particularly drew your attention, you can work out why you found that woman attractive, but the simple fact of the matter is that it's just there - there was no conscious decision making involved. You can't decide to find someone attractive if you don't, and we haven't conclusively discovered what makes some specific physical characteristics attractive to some people but not others either. Different sexualities are basically the same, only more pronounced, and really, you never chose to be straight, did you? You just were, inbuilt, and it's the same with being gay or bi. Quote:
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EDIT: Final note - the Bible technically only references 'men lying with other men' when it comes to homosexuality - so presumably lesbianism's fine in God's eyes! Seems a weird distinction. Last edited by Lazy Orang; January 15th, 2014 at 08:51 AM. |
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As before, I feel that he has the right to condemn you simply because he can. If, say, a mortal could kill God completely at their own discretion, then they would have the right to kill him. And so on and so forth. It is a terribly vicious cycle, yes. But it is way God imagined it.
This is all assuming that God does exist in the manner we know of him. My customs. NE Ohio Tourney - TBA SW Ohio Tourney - NHSD 550 points AotV - Colliding the minis of AotP with the world of HS. Last edited by flameslayer93; January 15th, 2014 at 09:09 AM. Reason: Heaven can be Hell just as Hell can be Heaven |
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