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Old January 2nd, 2012, 06:18 PM
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Re: The Book of Rat Swarm - Design

C3G PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Rat Swarm

- THEME TEST/ Check to see if there are any powers or stats on the test unit card that does not accurately reflect the theme or likeness of what the character would and could do. Also consider destructible objects, and whether or not this characters powers should affect them.
Pass

- MIRROR TEST/ Check to see if the unit were played against itself, if there would be any loops that would upset the balance of the Game.
Pass

- BONDING TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing Bonding abilities to make sure there are no continual Bonding possibilities that do not stop appropriately or do not stop at all. This is to prevent loops in Bonding.
Pass

- SYNERGIES TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing synergies to make sure there are no factors that could break the game by making any unit too powerful or too weak.
Pass

- POWER CHECK/ Consider the test unit and all existing units and all glyphs to compare to and check for any powers that could be over amplified and break the game. Each power must define when it takes place, who or what it affects, and What are the stipulations on the power if there are any.
Pass

- FUN TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play.
Fail

- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play against.
Pass

- DRAFTING TEST/ Consider whether or not this design is worth drafting.
Fail

- USAGE TEST/ Consider whether or not all of the powers on this card were used or at least usable.
Pass

- STRATEGY TEST/ Consider whether or not the design offers any real strategy or interesting tactics to the overall game.
Pass

Heavy Hitter or Mid-Level Hero Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Fail
- What should be the unit's point value? 10 points or less.
- Give a brief overview. Rats are weak in almost every way.
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Old January 2nd, 2012, 06:22 PM
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Re: The Book of Rat Swarm - Design

So far I've only run about half the HH tests that I want to, but I really feel like they aren't even worth 10 points.

You can only move one per OM, they only move 4, they have awful attack and defense and Plague is tough to hit. SAs mow them down and they just all around aren't that great.

I think replacing Scatter with this would make them better at 10 points:
SWARM
After revealing an Order Marker on this card or a Rat Swarm you control rolls defense dice against a normal attack from an opponent’s figure, you may move any 2 Rat Swarms you control up to 4 spaces each.

Or at least changing Scatter to work against Special Attacks and call it Scurry.

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Old January 3rd, 2012, 01:57 AM
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Re: The Book of Rat Swarm - Design

I vote for this
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SWARM
After revealing an Order Marker on this card or a Rat Swarm you control rolls defense dice against a normal attack from an opponent’s figure, you may move any 2 Rat Swarms you control up to 4 spaces each.
I would like to vote for that. This was a great idea tickle, and immediately after testing, this was your immediate gut instinct, which is usually the best one. It is the most like Scatter, but it also gives you that control you need on your turn.
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Re: The Book of Rat Swarm - Design

No feedback guys? I was hoping to get some while I went out to dinner with my sister so I could finish this initial tonight or at least make more progress on it.
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Re: The Book of Rat Swarm - Design

I like the Scurry change better because it keeps the Pied Piper connection more valuable.

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Re: The Book of Rat Swarm - Design

Also, it looks like they did well against Angel and poorly against everyone else ... and everyone else had a special attack.

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Re: The Book of Rat Swarm - Design

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Also, it looks like they did well against Angel and poorly against everyone else ... and everyone else had a special attack.
Well he was also the only melee only Hero I tested them against. So he had to get on the same level as them to attack. I like going with Scurry and making it work against SAs.
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Also, it looks like they did well against Angel and poorly against everyone else ... and everyone else had a special attack.
Well he was also the only melee only Hero I tested them against. So he had to get on the same level as them to attack. I like going with Scurry and making it work against SAs.
Yeah, that too, which is all the more reason they need to be able to move when hit by specials.

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Re: The Book of Rat Swarm - Design

A partial quote would make that just wrong.
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Re: The Book of Rat Swarm - Design

A problem with it working against special attacks is that area of effect attacks could trigger multiple Scurries, which could get some affected figures suddenly out of the area of effect.

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A problem with it working against special attacks is that area of effect attacks could trigger multiple Scurries, which could get some affected figures suddenly out of the area of effect.
Good call, I wonder if we couldn't put something about after resolving the attack instead?
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Re: The Book of Rat Swarm - Design

Scurry sounds good.
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