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Old May 21st, 2011, 12:01 AM
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Re: The Book of White Martian - Design Phase

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I definitely see where you're coming from on this Sir G, and that's a good catch! I'm not 100% that the last line there is the best possible wording yet, though ... so let me try to see if I can work slightly different wording here:

MASS PSYCHIC ASSAULT 11
After revealing an Order Marker on any White Martian you control, you may use the Mass Psychic Assault special power. To use Mass Psychic Assault, choose one figure within 3 spaces of this White Martian and immediately roll the 20-sided die, subtracting 4 from the roll if the chosen figure is a Telepath. If you roll 11 or higher, the chosen figure receives one wound. If you use the Mass Psychic Assault special power, this White Martian may not attack for the remainder of the turn.

Does that do the trick?
The point at issue is the differentiation between "you" (the player) using the power and "this White Martian" using the power and not attacking this turn.

What about this, focusing on the figure using the power, and the player just doing the mechanical things:

MASS PSYCHIC ASSAULT 11
After you reveal an Order Marker on the Army Card of any White Martian you control, this White Martian may use Mass Psychic Assault 11. Choose one figure within 3 spaces of this White Martian and immediately roll the 20-sided die, subtracting 4 from the roll if the chosen figure is a Telepath. If you roll 11 or higher, the chosen figure receives one wound. If this White Martian uses Mass Psychic Assault 11, it may not attack for the remainder of the turn.
But if you do use the power at all, this White Martian (and all of them, but the power will be on all of their cards) shouldn't attack this turn ... You should under no circumstances be allowed to reveal an Order Marker on White Martian A, roll the D20 for White Martians B-D, then attack with Martian A. If you roll the D20 for any of them, you're giving up your attack for the turn.
With your rewrite, you could still attack with Martian A as long as you didn't roll the D20 for Martian A.

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Re: The Book of White Martian - Design Phase

OK, now I see what you're getting at.

MASS PSYCHIC ASSAULT 11
After revealing an Order Marker on any White Martian you control, instead of attacking with that White Martian, you may use Mass Psychic Assault 11. Choose one figure within 3 spaces of this White Martian and immediately roll the 20-sided die, subtracting 4 from the roll if the chosen figure is a Telepath. If you roll 11 or higher, the chosen figure receives one wound.

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Re: The Book of White Martian - Design Phase

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OK, now I see what you're getting at.

MASS PSYCHIC ASSAULT 11
After revealing an Order Marker on any White Martian you control, instead of attacking with that White Martian, you may use Mass Psychic Assault 11. Choose one figure within 3 spaces of this White Martian and immediately roll the 20-sided die, subtracting 4 from the roll if the chosen figure is a Telepath. If you roll 11 or higher, the chosen figure receives one wound.
I wonder if we can make it easier on people so that they don't have to catch that this power triggers for each WM they control (Uncommon Heroe's powers can get messy), how about this:

MASS PSYCHIC ASSAULT 11
After revealing an Order Marker on this card, instead of attacking with this White Martian, you may choose one figure within 3 spaces of each White Martian you control. Roll the 20-sided die separately for each chosen figure, subtracting 4 from the roll if the chosen figure is a Telepath. If you roll 11 or higher, the chosen figure receives one wound.
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Re: The Book of White Martian - Design Phase

I like that a lot.
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Re: The Book of White Martian - Design Phase

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OK, now I see what you're getting at.

MASS PSYCHIC ASSAULT 11
After revealing an Order Marker on any White Martian you control, instead of attacking with that White Martian, you may use Mass Psychic Assault 11. Choose one figure within 3 spaces of this White Martian and immediately roll the 20-sided die, subtracting 4 from the roll if the chosen figure is a Telepath. If you roll 11 or higher, the chosen figure receives one wound.
I wonder if we can make it easier on people so that they don't have to catch that this power triggers for each WM they control (Uncommon Heroe's powers can get messy), how about this:

MASS PSYCHIC ASSAULT 11
After revealing an Order Marker on this card, instead of attacking with this White Martian, you may choose one figure within 3 spaces of each White Martian you control. Roll the 20-sided die separately for each chosen figure, subtracting 4 from the roll if the chosen figure is a Telepath. If you roll 11 or higher, the chosen figure receives one wound.
This brings us back to the original problem I had before discussing this with you before posting it, Griff. You can read the bolded line one of two ways. You can read it the way we intended, or you can read it as you're only choosing one figure total and that one figure needs to be within 3 spaces of all of the White Martians you control.
I'm trying to think of a way to clarify that better ...

MASS PSYCHIC ASSAULT 11
After revealing an Order Marker on this card, instead of attacking with this White Martian, you may choose a figure within 3 spaces of this White Martian, and choose figures within 3 spaces of each other White Martian you control. Roll the 20-sided die separately for each chosen figure, subtracting 4 from the roll if the chosen figure is a Telepath. If you roll 11 or higher, the chosen figure receives one wound.

I'm not sure that's any better ... hmm. Any ideas on this one?

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Re: The Book of White Martian - Design Phase

Just so I get this straight, since it's been a little confusing.

Each White Martian can OR must choose a different target?

Each White Martian can OR must choose the same target?
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Re: The Book of White Martian - Design Phase

Each WM can choose any figure (same or different).

If the card accurately describes the power, all we need is a line in the ruling and clarifications section or a FAQ to answer that one niggling question, but if you want it in the power text. . .

What about:

MASS PSYCHIC ASSAULT 11
After revealing an Order Marker on this card and instead of attacking with this White Martian, for each White Martian you control you may choose a figure within 3 spaces of that White Martian. You may choose the same or different figures for each White Martian you control. Roll the 20-sided die separately for each chosen figure, subtracting 4 from the roll if the chosen figure is a Telepath. If you roll 11 or higher, the chosen figure receives one wound.

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Re: The Book of White Martian - Design Phase

I think putting it in the power text is a good idea personally.
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Re: The Book of White Martian - Design Phase

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OK, now I see what you're getting at.

MASS PSYCHIC ASSAULT 11
After revealing an Order Marker on any White Martian you control, instead of attacking with that White Martian, you may use Mass Psychic Assault 11. Choose one figure within 3 spaces of this White Martian and immediately roll the 20-sided die, subtracting 4 from the roll if the chosen figure is a Telepath. If you roll 11 or higher, the chosen figure receives one wound.
I wonder if we can make it easier on people so that they don't have to catch that this power triggers for each WM they control (Uncommon Heroe's powers can get messy), how about this:

MASS PSYCHIC ASSAULT 11
After revealing an Order Marker on this card, instead of attacking with this White Martian, you may choose one figure within 3 spaces of each White Martian you control. Roll the 20-sided die separately for each chosen figure, subtracting 4 from the roll if the chosen figure is a Telepath. If you roll 11 or higher, the chosen figure receives one wound.
This brings us back to the original problem I had before discussing this with you before posting it, Griff. You can read the bolded line one of two ways. You can read it the way we intended, or you can read it as you're only choosing one figure total and that one figure needs to be within 3 spaces of all of the White Martians you control.
I'm trying to think of a way to clarify that better ...

MASS PSYCHIC ASSAULT 11
After revealing an Order Marker on this card, instead of attacking with this White Martian, you may choose a figure within 3 spaces of this White Martian, and choose figures within 3 spaces of each other White Martian you control. Roll the 20-sided die separately for each chosen figure, subtracting 4 from the roll if the chosen figure is a Telepath. If you roll 11 or higher, the chosen figure receives one wound.

I'm not sure that's any better ... hmm. Any ideas on this one?
Not entirely the same though, as the red bold really helps drive home the intention. With that line, it is damn near impossible to interpret that "you choose one for all" instead of "choose one for each".
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Re: The Book of White Martian - Design Phase

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Each WM can choose any figure (same or different).

If the card accurately describes the power, all we need is a line in the ruling and clarifications section or a FAQ to answer that one niggling question, but if you want it in the power text. . .

What about:

MASS PSYCHIC ASSAULT 11
After revealing an Order Marker on this card and instead of attacking with this White Martian, for each White Martian you control you may choose a figure within 3 spaces of that White Martian. You may choose the same or different figures for each White Martian you control. Roll the 20-sided die separately for each chosen figure, subtracting 4 from the roll if the chosen figure is a Telepath. If you roll 11 or higher, the chosen figure receives one wound.
I think this does it a bit more clearly, though. Good job, Sir G.
What do you think of this wording, Griff?

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Re: The Book of White Martian - Design Phase

Write-up updated!

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