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Re: The Book of Emil Hamilton (Vote for Initial)

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Re: The Book of Emil Hamilton (Vote for Initial)

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Re: The Book of Emil Hamilton (Vote for Initial)

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Lucius has “Glyph pool” wording you might want to use for the first power.
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Re: The Book of Emil Hamilton (Vote for Initial)

Took a quick pass at cleaning up the wording:

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ADVANCED SCIENCE SUPPORT
At the start of the game, place up to two Invention Equipment Glyphs of different types into a Glyph Pool, power-side up, and set them aside. Before moving normally with a Unique Kryptonian Hero, if it is adjacent to Hamilton, you may place a glyph from Hamilton's Glyph Pool on its card. If it is not adjacent to Hamilton, you may reveal an "X" Order Marker on that card to place a glyph from Hamilton's Glyph Pool on its card.

COUNTERMEASURE DEVELOPMENT
At the start of the game, choose an opponent’s figure to be Hamilton’s Subject. At the start of each round, you may roll the 20-sided die. Add X to your roll, where X is equal to the current round. If you roll 6 or higher, you may choose for all special powers on Hamilton's Subject's card to be negated during your turns until the end of the round. If you do, you cannot roll for this special power again this game.
Honestly I think the 'low d20 roll' and 'increasing boost' thing are at odds with each other here. Like, the mechanically interesting thing about the low d20 roll is that there's a chance that if you don't take the countermeasure when you've got it, there's a chance it might not be there later. But the escalating boost works against that.

I'd get it more if the d20 roll was higher or if the round boost wasn't there.
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Re: The Book of Emil Hamilton (Vote for Initial)

Last sentence of Science Support has a typo. It says Glyph on Invention instead of Glyph of Invention.

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Re: The Book of Emil Hamilton (Vote for Initial)

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Took a quick pass at cleaning up the wording:

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ADVANCED SCIENCE SUPPORT
At the start of the game, place up to two Invention Equipment Glyphs of different types into a Glyph Pool, power-side up, and set them aside. Before moving normally with a Unique Kryptonian Hero, if it is adjacent to Hamilton, you may place a glyph from Hamilton's Glyph Pool on its card. If it is not adjacent to Hamilton, you may reveal an "X" Order Marker on that card to place a glyph from Hamilton's Glyph Pool on its card.

COUNTERMEASURE DEVELOPMENT
At the start of the game, choose an opponent’s figure to be Hamilton’s Subject. At the start of each round, you may roll the 20-sided die. Add X to your roll, where X is equal to the current round. If you roll 6 or higher, you may choose for all special powers on Hamilton's Subject's card to be negated during your turns until the end of the round. If you do, you cannot roll for this special power again this game.
Honestly I think the 'low d20 roll' and 'increasing boost' thing are at odds with each other here. Like, the mechanically interesting thing about the low d20 roll is that there's a chance that if you don't take the countermeasure when you've got it, there's a chance it might not be there later. But the escalating boost works against that.

I'd get it more if the d20 roll was higher or if the round boost wasn't there.
I could see upping the roll in some ways. Ideally I'd want it to feel like at least a 50/50 shot by round 5. So if that looks like 15 or higher plus the round number, or higher than that but you can roll each turn (thus more chances to hit the success), I'm fine going with whatever the consensus is.
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Re: The Book of Emil Hamilton (Vote for Initial)

My plan is to give it a shot at 15 per the above, and if that feels finnicky just moving it to a Once Per Game. Still need one more vote here to move things forward.
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Re: The Book of Emil Hamilton (Vote for Initial)

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Re: The Book of Emil Hamilton (Vote for Initial)

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Re: The Book of Emil Hamilton (Vote for Initial)

This passes.
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Re: The Book of Emil Hamilton (Initial Testing)

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C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM
NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Emil Hamilton
Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: Emil Hamilon (50), Superboy II, Guardian (450) vs Captain Cold I, Heatwave, Golden Glider, (450)
Unit Summary
Damage: EGlyphs were helpful, but not tremendously so. Round of no protection from Magenta would have been nicer had Guardian not been dropped.
Abilities: Chose Kryptonian Visor and Teleportation Belt
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Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: Emil Hamilton (50), Superman II (450), Lois Lane (100) (600) vs Nightwing, Raven, Starfire (600)
Unit Summary
Damage: 2 wounds dealt thanks to Countermeasures on Raven.
Abilities: Sent Visor which allowed the kill on Nightwing.
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Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: Emil Hamilton (60), Superman I, Superboy (Jon), Streaky, Kelex (700) vs Injustice Lex, Poison Ivy I, Batroc, Rhino (700)
Unit Summary
Damage: 2 dealt with Visor, Anti Kryptonite suit was tremendously helpful.
Abilities: Never used Countermeasures.
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Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: Emil Hamilton (60), Superman (Family), Superboy II, Superwoman (Lana), Kelex, Guardian, Jimmy Olsen (1200) vs Injustice Lex, Cheetah, IJL Brainiac, IJL Grodd (1200)
Unit Summary
Damage: 0
Abilities: Never got to pass off Glyphs. Countermeasure was basically useless.
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GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: I generally like how he’s playing. 60 does feel about right here, as what he can offer is nice, but generally feels relatively niche. Countermeasure is probably the wackiest thing here, and even then can still wind up being not great if you’ve not got the firepower to work with it. Game 1 was the D20 roll, moved it to auto success after that. Game 4 I tried it at only 1 turn, but honestly I don’t think it would have helped that much if it had been all round.
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Re: The Book of Emil Hamilton (Breathing)

I propose we move to public testing with the following changes:

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NAME = EMIL HAMILTON
SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = SCIENTIST
PERSONALITY = CONFLICTED

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 3

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 1
DEFENSE = 2

POINTS = 60

ADVANCED SCIENCE SUPPORT

At the start of the game, you may place two Glyphs of Invention beside this card. Before moving normally with a Unique Kryptonian Hero, if it is adjacent to Hamilton, you may place one of those Glyphs of Invention on its card. If it is not adjacent to Hamilton, you may reveal an "X" Order Marker on that card to place a Glyph on Invention on its card.

COUNTERMEASURE DEVELOPMENT
At the start of the game, choose an opponent’s figure to be Hamilton’s Subject. At the start of any round, you may choose to negate all powers on Hamilton's Subject's card during your turns until the end of the round. Figures may only have powers negated by this effect once per game.
Don't feel like we need any changes to the Glyphs as of yet.
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