Why not allow partial common squad drafting?

[Revdyer]

I, certainly, would be willing to play either way. My only gripe was the statement that full card scoring was in no way official, when it, in fact, is. It's fine with me if you don't like it or don't want to play it, though.

[PlasmaScaper 2.0]

My opinion on partial squad drafting is, it's not a bad idea, but I myself wouldn't use it. Just makes it too complex.

[NecroBlade]

Originally Posted by Revdyer

My only gripe was the statement that full card scoring was in no way official, when it, in fact, is.

Sorry, I'm not seeing where someone said that it was? Perhaps it's farther back than I'm looking.

[Revdyer]

Originally Posted by NecroBlade

Sorry, I'm not seeing where someone said that it was? Perhaps it's farther back than I'm looking.

I took this statement as saying there was nothing in the rules about card total scoring.

Originally Posted by dok

There is nothing in the rules about card total scoring.

It's one page back from here.

[NecroBlade]

OK, thanks Rev.Well, he's been corrected now but I knew that was in the rules...just chose to ignore it and go with a better system.

[CheddarLimbo]

Originally Posted by NecroBlade

OK, thanks Rev.Well, he's been corrected now but I knew that was in the rules...just chose to ignore it and go with a better system.

I'm going to try that too! Instead of rolling dice, I'll just pick the outcome I want from now on.

[NecroBlade]

How is that a better system?

[Aldin]

Originally Posted by CheddarLimbo

I'm going to try that too! Instead of rolling dice, I'll just pick the outcome I want from now on.

Originally Posted by NecroBlade

How is that a better system?

He always wins

~Aldin, who just won an Ardennes game

[NecroBlade]

Perhaps I should have said "better tournament system." If the close games are the best games, then each player scoring more points for damage deal makes much better games than frustrating ones where you couldn't kill that last rat your opponent hid in the corner and thus get 0 points instead of 30.

I wouldn't even call a system where you always win better, anyway. That takes all the fun out of it.

[Aldin]

Originally Posted by NecroBlade

I wouldn't even call a system where you always win better, anyway. That takes all the fun out of it.

Tell it to 007!

~Aldin, who agrees with Necro, actually

[Cthulhu1979]

The issue that I see with partial common squad drafting can be spotlighted with the use of Grok Riders.

With each counter that is placed on a squad of Grok Riders, you can also activate a Marro Warlord. If you draft a partial squad, does that partial squad activate with its own card, or does it activate on the full squad's turn?

In short, by spending a limited number of points, you can gain an additional activation of a Marro Warlord.

I believe that the 130 points that the Grok Riders cost is a mechanism to assure a limited number of Bonding-related activations (I'm insinuating that it would be costly to draft more than 2 Grok Rider squads in a 500ish point game).

If the partial squad gets its own card, it would cost 174 points to get 2 activations of a Marro Warlord, while the rules (as written) consider that it would cost 260 points to get those activations.

For less than 50 points, you can still have a piece on the board that allows bonding.

For less than 50 points, you can have an extra Grok Rider that can hang back and attack stragglers fairly well (or hold a glyph) while the full squad takes part in the battle.

If the partial squad is included on the full squad's card, then things change a bit, and that squad is likely to become a target for Mindshacklin' and other such "I've got your card" shenanigans. Yet, that would be the risk of the player, and not something of intrinsic value to the fairness of the rule.

Also, another thing to consider: a Squad that costs x number of points gets you z activations. Paying less for a squad with fewer activations makes sense, but is it sound strategy? At least the ten point, gylph grabbing and mega stealthy red ninja from Utgar can fend for himself for a while by using his special powers.

Just food for thought.

~Harry

[NecroBlade]

You activate the Warlord with each marker, regardless of how many Groks (minimum 1) you have. So adding 1 Grok doesn't add any activations, until he's your only one left, then you can still activate with Warlord without having paid the 130 points...but you only have 1 Grok left. Another bonding group would've been a better example, as the Groks aren't too competitive to begin with.

Obviously the added unit can be activated like any common unit...I'm not sure how it couldn't be "included on the full squad's card" and think you may be confused as to a rule or two.

You can't Mindshackle common figures.