The Book of Green Central Power Battery

[tcglkn]

Originally Posted by Ronin

I mean, if I made a list of people most likely to hack Surge and Hal Jordan into a bigass lantern, you'd be right up there.

Can I count that as a Yea for testing?

[Ronin]

Haven't been too invested in this one, since I'm not that up on the theme and there's been some back and forth.

What's with the Aura power preventing defense reduction? Is that supposed to just grant immunity to stuff like Sinestro's SA's defense subtraction? I'd go for an interpretation more like handing out the Fearless personality.

I'd also prefer if the mechanics of handing out the battery and recharging were closer. Feels like it'd be easier to play if you didn't have two different timings.

Realize you probably weren't looking for design thoughts, but gotta dig into the thing before voting, and those were my thoughts on giving the thing a look.

[tcglkn]

No I was looking for design thoughts, but I got to a reasonable spot and the best way to get feedback around here sometimes is to start a vote.

The preventing the reduction of attack and defence is the closest mechanical space I could find to represent willpower. If it just gave them immunity from YL effects that wouldn't be the most interesting design space, I prefer a broader application.

As for the triggers, I wouldn't be super opposed to making you skip attacking to equip the Glyph. That would make it impossible to recharge at the same time which is probably better. Right now, Kilowog can start next to the DO, burn a Marker, equip a Glyph and recharge all on the first turn of the game.

[tcglkn]

COMPETITIVE REVIEW BOARD CHECKLIST

Spoiler Alert!

1. Does the design disrupt opponent's Order Markers in a way that offers a net gain in turns taken with strong figures versus the turns your opponent can take with strong figures (Ozymandias, Joker (I), Meteorite)?
   No
   
2. Does the design offer auto-wounding that either doesn't require taking turns or is otherwise extremely efficient (War Machine, Jason Voorhees, Cosmic Cube)?
   No
   
3. Does the design immobilize figures or prevent turn-taking (Blob, Spider-Girl, Diablo, Green Lantern Alan)?
   No
   
4. Does the design move opponent's figures in a way that's easy to pull off and can move figures multiple spaces in multiple directions (Graviton, Magneto, Vulture)?
   No
   
5. Does the design allow for moving friendly figures without taking turns, or for moving 2+ friendly figures while still taking a turn (Martian Manhunter [I], Green Lantern John, Angel)?
   No
   
6. Does the figure allow for two figures, one of them being a wide range of possible figures, to both attack on a single Order Marker (Zombie, Robot, Iron Patriot, Ms. Marvel, Rocket [II], Martian Manhunter [II], Nebula, Baby Groot, Havok)?
   No
   
7. Does the design offer any sort of passive boost outside of a narrow set of figures (Star-Lord, Sage, Brainiac 5, Captain America, Batman [III])?
   Yea, but it's symmetrical and the effect is relatively minor (prevention of attack and defense reduction)
   
8. Does the design help keep your allies alive just by being nearby (Daring Decoy, Aaron Cash, Jocasta, Weather Wizard)?
   No
   
9. Is it OK for the design to have defensive abilities that could make it essentially unkillable in some matchups or endgame situations (Cosmic Cube, Healing Factor, Master Martial Artist)?
   N/A
   
10. If the figure has auto-destroy powers or powers that can force the opponent's figures to attack each other, are they balanced for strong opposing figures and/or boosts that can make the powers more reliable (Puppet Master, Psycho-Man, Enchantress)?
    N/A
    
11. Is the figure likely to earn its value many times over by either running out alone at the start of a battle (pre-eval Crow, Solomon Grundy) or by sitting in the startzone until the end of a battle (Arnim Zola, Silk Spectre)?
    The goal of this design is to sit in the startzone but it won't count for you winning the game
    
12. Will synergies in the design create concerns for future designs (Mad Thinker, pre-eval Enchantress, Star-Lord)?
    I don't think there are concerns for future designs, we have enough GLs now to make sure this is balanced now.
    
13. Does the design combo particularly well with one of the design concerns above (Magma)?
    No

CONSISTENCY CHECKLIST

Spoiler Alert!

1. Are the character’s name and secret identity listed in a consistent format with the rest of the project? If the character shares a name and/or secret identity with another character is it properly clear whether or not they are the same character?
Yes

2. Consider the listed Species. Are the design’s power level, point level, and statistics (life, move, range, attack, and defense numbers) within the established range for that species? If it’s an outlier, is there thematic justification for this?
N/A

3. Consider the listed Uniqueness. Does the power text properly reflect whether the figure is a Hero or a squad, and whether it is Event, Unique, Uncommon, or common? If it’s Event, are the powers written with consideration for Event Hero rules? If it’s Uncommon, are the powers written to avoid stacking? If it’s common, are the powers written with this in mind?
Yea this should certainly be unique.

4. Consider the Class and Personality. For each, is it a reuse? If so, is the character thematically consistent with other members of that Class or Personality? If not, is there a preexisting Class or Personality that would fit as well that could be used instead? Are there any existing synergies with that Class or Personality that are undesirable or that this Design would create that would be undesirable for preexisting members of that Class or Personality?
N/A

5. Consider the listed Size. If the figure is double based, is it Large or Huge? Is the chosen miniature’s physical size consistent with other miniatures in the chosen size category?
No size here means the DO can't be thrown or moved.

6. Consider the listed Height. If you stack hexes up next to the figure, does the number listed for the height match up the layers of stacked hexes that match the miniature’s physical height?
Same as above

6. Consider the listed Life number. Is this number consistent with other figures of the same species?
Seems fine for a large object.

8. Consider the listed Move number. Is this number consistent with other figures of that power level?
N/A

9. Consider the listed Range and Attack numbers. Is this number consistent with other figures that use the same type of weapon or power to attack?
N/A

10. Consider the listed Defense number. Is this number consistent with other figures of the same or similar species and with the same or similar armor or other defensive equipment?
Yea, seems pretty hard to damage a Central Power Battery

11. Does the figure have Super Strength? If it does or doesn’t, was this determined on the standard of that character demonstrating three things: A. The ability to throw a car B. The ability to survive a fall from a tall building and C. The ability to knock back another person when punching them?
N/A

12. Examine all of the special powers. Are there other powers that fit the same theme already in existence in the project? If so, can they be reused? If they can’t, can those other powers be used as a basis for the mechanics and wording?
N/A

13. Examine any movement powers. Do they keep the figure’s speed consistent with other figures of their species and power level?
This shouldn't move.

14. Examine any offensive powers. Do they keep the figure’s offensive potential consistent with other figures with the same powers and power levels or skills and weaponry?
N/A

15. Examine any defensive, healing, or other tanking powers. Do they keep the figure’s survivability consistent with other figures of the same powers or power level or species and armor class?
N/A

16. Examine any leadership powers. Do they exceed the activation potential of the best existing leaders? If so, is there thematic justification for this?
I mean this is the icon of a Corps, it should be the keystone unit in an army.

17. Consider any powers that reference darkness, electrical, figure movement, fire, gas, ice, kryptonite, light/sensory, magical, poison, psychic, stealth, or water-based abilities. Do these behave in similar ways to other powers of this type, including mentions of immunities?
N/A

18. Is it clear for all special powers what phase of the turn and how they are triggered, what phase of the turn they are active in, and when and how they cease being active?
Yea, but we might be tweaking the timing.

19. Are special powers listed in game, round, and turn order?
Yes.

20. If a special power includes a D20 roll, does it make sense to list a number by the title?
If we go back to that mechanic it will.

21. If a power is being reused, are the title and wording copied accurately?
N/A

22. Has the power title or a very similar one been used before with vastly different mechanics?
N/A

[Ronin]

Originally Posted by tcglkn

No I was looking for design thoughts, but I got to a reasonable spot and the best way to get feedback around here sometimes is to start a vote.

Oh, groovy.

The preventing the reduction of attack and defence is the closest mechanical space I could find to represent willpower. If it just gave them immunity from YL effects that wouldn't be the most interesting design space, I prefer a broader application.

Fearless status comes with a few other effects as well.

Personally I think the Aura part doesn't need to be that generally useful because the GL recharge is so generally useful. Okay for me if the aura bit is more secondary.

In general, the "no Defense reduction" bit scans weirdly to me because we use defense reduction as a physical property of something (like Wolverine's claws) more often than an intimidation thing, and our previous "no Defense reduction" powers are on Ultron and Armor, and are meant to convey physical resilience.

The "no Attack reduction" half I can actually swallow a lot more easily. It feels more like an "actively powering through something getting you down" sort of effect.

As for the triggers, I wouldn't be super opposed to making you skip attacking to equip the Glyph. That would make it impossible to recharge at the same time which is probably better. Right now, Kilowog can start next to the DO, burn a Marker, equip a Glyph and recharge all on the first turn of the game.

Yeah, I like moving them both into the same place in the turn.

[tcglkn]

Thanks for your feedback. You make a good point about Defense vs Attack reduction and I have dropped the defense part from this card. I like the addition of the Fearless personality so I added that in it's place.

Also I have changed picking up the Glyph to be instead of attacking so you cannot pick up the Glyph and charge a Marker at the same time.

[IAmBatman]

Good calls. Nice feedback, Ronin.

[Ronin]

yea

[tcglkn]

I appreciate the feedback. This passes.

I'll try to hit this tomorrow after Phantom Stranger.

[IAmBatman]

Sweet! Glad to see this moving along. I think once the template is fully established here, the other Central Batteries should be a breeze.

[Lord Pyre]

Finally got around to looking this over. A little late yeah, but it is what it is. I skimmed the thread a tiny bit and saw the discussion on draftable DO's that aren't vehicles. That was my first thought, too. But if we're good pushing through that now, it shouldn't be a problem. It's also pretty darn self-explanatory, not sure we'd need a new rulebook.

That said the design itself I'm not sure is even worth 250. Feels a bit like the Marro Hive. Very cool effects, but only really great in massive battles. I don't think I'd want to spend 250 or so on this when I could just draft another GL.

The mini glyphs are cool.

My only real concern is that the GLs with all of the markers are putzy already, and now we're adding not only a huge stack of markers in addition, but also a Glyphs too. I probably wouldn't want to use this much for that reason alone. That's a lot of hardware. Same reason I don't play Mandarin too often, or too many vigilantes with the utility belt at the same time.

It doesn't seem to bother most people though, I just like to bring it up. It's a really cool design otherwise.

[tcglkn]

I wouldn’t be surprised if 250 is way too high but everyone seems to think they will be expensive. I will see how they play out in testing.