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Re: Strongest dragon
Or a Marro organism designed to mimic a Dragon, just as Wo-Sa-Ga was genetically engineered to mimic a (decidedly oversized) Viper.
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In a head to head tournament where each dragon is pitted against each dragon in 1-on-1 match-ups, I think this is the ranking:
C3V/SoV cards @ 3/page PDF / LeftOn4ya's Customs (including Jurassic World) / Competitive Unit Alters / New? Start Here! Unit Debates REVIVED - #76 Tandros Kreel vs Torin "Today is a good day to die... but the day is not yet over"
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@Lazy Orang
I agree that Braxas would beat Zelrig, but not necessarily crush him, as Zelrig does have 33% more defense and only 20% less offense. I was thinking this before I refreshed my browser to see your comment, which is why I amended my post to add: "There are some lower ranked figures that might win against some higher ranked ones, but the ranking is based on partial points (i.e. lives killed + lives left) of match-ups they would both win and loose."
C3V/SoV cards @ 3/page PDF / LeftOn4ya's Customs (including Jurassic World) / Competitive Unit Alters / New? Start Here! Unit Debates REVIVED - #76 Tandros Kreel vs Torin "Today is a good day to die... but the day is not yet over"
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"33% more defense and 20% less offense" is a really really bad way to think about differences in survivability. Especially when you're ignoring life points in your defense calculation. Just say one more defense die, it's more informative and doesn't imply the same use of probability that you are implying.
Su-Bak-Na should lose to both Mimring and Zelrig head to head, not sure why he is number 3. Unless the assumption is that that two dragons just start standing next to each other. And I guess Charos does win head-to-head but IMO it's more fun to discuss (and play) Heroscape outside of a vacuum. Nilfheim is extremely well-rounded and that's why he's the most competitive dragon. Other dragons have weaknesses that make them inconsistent 10 Years of Gencon/Scapecon Battle Reports - Comic Battle Reports - Probability Calculator App - Reverse the Whip Army Archetypes "It's all about the game." - Sgt. Ernie Calhoun |
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~Lazy Orang, who'd be interested to throw Quahon and Brimstone from VC into the discussion. |
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I understand the attack dice and defense dice are not just straight %. The matchup calculator is down, but let me try using the Dice Probability Chart to see that, for instance
C3V/SoV cards @ 3/page PDF / LeftOn4ya's Customs (including Jurassic World) / Competitive Unit Alters / New? Start Here! Unit Debates REVIVED - #76 Tandros Kreel vs Torin "Today is a good day to die... but the day is not yet over"
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You are conflating discrete and continuous probability. Heroscape dice are discrete, not continuous. Average damage is not a useful calculation in head-to-head analysis
10 Years of Gencon/Scapecon Battle Reports - Comic Battle Reports - Probability Calculator App - Reverse the Whip Army Archetypes "It's all about the game." - Sgt. Ernie Calhoun |
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I find these things fun so thanks for starting the conversation, but Vegie touched on a very important part of truly analyzing a 1v1 matchup of figures.
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Then in the 1v1 clash, they should have height in a certain % of the matchups. I would give Mimring and Zelrig +1 attack/+1 defense for encounters with melee dragons at maybe 60% of the time, but I haven't done a study of maps or anything. Those are things to keep in mind along with the terrain. It's also a reason that I'm not convinced Charos is a slam dunk winner head to head over Nilfheim. Nilfheim will for sure get an attack of 4 first before they become engaged, and on most maps should be able to maneuver so he has height in the battle...at least height for the first attack....maybe Charos still wins that fight though, but i would calculate it as free attack of 4 against Charos then 5/5 w/counterstrike (9 life) vs. 7/5 (6 life) EDIT: To accentuate this point, I looked at all the BOV maps (32 total) for double spaced figures (so Moltenclaw exempt from this analysis) On 22 you could definitely get a ranged dragon on spot where it would always have height against a melee dragon On 3 maps you could do so, but would have to be on lava On 1 map you could force your opponent to be on lava in order to get even ground On 4 maps you could not accomplish height superiority On 2 maps it was not determinable because of potential fit issues with ruins or battlements. But that's an easy estimate of 70% of the time the ranged figure will have height the entire time of the melee battle. Last edited by kevindola; August 15th, 2017 at 03:56 PM. |
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From the official bio: Character Bio: This Marro Hivelordšs command of the battlefield is supreme. His mere presence on the field inspires even mindless Marro drones to become bolder and more effective. Mounted on his skeletal dragon, Su-Bak-Na can survey his surroundings in an instant and fly to wherever his daunting presence is required. There is no way to understand this Marrošs devious behavior. He may be inclined to stand back and control the field from the rear, or swoop into battle, obliterating all that stand in his way. (Hasbro) __________________ A cloud can change its semblance, yet retain its will With the intimacy of destruction, One knows what it is to be alive The empty sky holds no reflection, for sorrow - Eslo Rudkey |
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