The Book of Sam (Samhain)

[Tornado]

Unless you roll worse.

[Tornado]

Sam(95), Dracula(490), Brides of Dracula(110), Jason(175) (870) vs. Captain America(240), Ms. Marvel(350), Fandral(280) (870)
Cap 4/5 wounds

Sam(100), Pinhead(335), Freddy(175), Jason(175), Leatherface(95), Chucky(85) (965) vs. Star-Lord(250), Nebula(240), Gamora(310), Blob(165) (965)
Starlord 2/4, Nebula 4/6.

Sam(95), Judge Fire(195), Judge Fear(145), Judge Mortis(165) (600) vs. Nightwing(200), Raven(190), Starfire(210) (600)
Nightwing 1/4, Raven 3/5 & Starfire 3/5 wounds.

The first game the Vamps felt underwhelming but Dracula had some nice rolls to keep it close. Turning Ms. Marvel into Ms. Vampire evened things out.
Sam felt out of place as it was hard to keep him with the group.

The second game felt the closest despite the result. Terrible re-rolls for Sam and Jason missed six RA9 rolls on Nebula. I would get one skull for DoH, re-roll and get none.

The last game I thought the Undead would dominate as I Trapped Nightwing all alone and neutralized him. Unfortunately the Raven/Starfire combo was strong enough to mop the floor with the Dark Judges. Sam felt pretty useful in the loss.

All in all, no issues with Sam. He is a bit tough to use unless you can leave him in back just to help Pinhead and the re-rolls actually help.

I will try to get a completed report in tomorrow.

Pre-Yea at 95

[Arkham]

I'm thinking he'll probably drop lower than 95 based on results thus far, unless some games come in with decent sized wins.

@100 = 1-2 (one of these losses was huge)
@95 = 0-2
@90 = 0-1

I'm thinking 85 feels more likely at this point.
• He's very vulnerable with his low defense and lack of defensive specials, and his high life is only going to last 2-3 attacks on average.
• His attack isn't that threatening.
• Each of his specials have requirements they must meet in order to work, and none of them guarantee great results.
1. TrT needs an initiative win.
2. HT has the secret identities on each side playing a factor, only used once per round, and does not guarantee a better result.
3. Jump Scare requires lack of clear sight on Sam when he begins his turn.

So it's not really surprising why he's less effective than we were estimating him to be. We can be cool with a lower point value(85 makes him interchangeable with Chucky in a 1,000 point Slasher army), or we can tweak something to make him have a little more oomph, such as stripping some requirements or bumping his attack back to 4 to get him back up to 100.

[Ronin]

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Sam @100 points

Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: Sam, Frankenstein, Living Mummy, Judge Mortis (785) vs Star-Lord, Meteorite, Hawkgirl, Hawkmen of Thanagar x1 (785)

Spoiler Alert!

Halloween Team victory here, but that was mainly down to Frank and Mummy repeatedly no-selling attacks with Undead Resilience, and generally strong attack rolls from Frank - Sam only ended up using Hallowed Tradition one time, to salvage a whiffed attack roll.

Unit Summary:

• Damage Done (Normal Attack): 1 wound to Star-Lord in 1 attack
• Trick 'R Treat:
  • 1st Round: Won initiative, chose Star-Lord. OM was not removed, but Sam boosted no attack rolls because the Undead team did not attack.
  • 2nd Round: Lost initiative
  • 3rd Round: Lost initiative
  • 4th Round: Lost initiative
• Jump Scare: not used
• Hallowed Tradition: used in the second round to re-roll a bad attack roll by Frank (only 1 skull or blank). Re-rolled for 4 skulls/blanks, resulting in a wound on Meteorite.
• Damage Taken: 7 wounds from Star-Lord in 3 normal attacks (destroyed), 0 wounds from Meteorite in 1 attack

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Frankenstein with 2 wounds, Living Mummy with 2 wounds

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Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: Sam, Jason Voorhees, Dagger, Zombie (500) vs Luke Cage, Ken, Swordsman (500)

Spoiler Alert!

Sam got to be a little more in the spotlight here, in a super-close match that went right down to the wire. Sam's boosts were useful, but not a huge deal - super lucky here in that every re-roll yielded the desired result.

Unit Summary:

• Damage Done (Normal Attack): 2 wounds to Ryu in 3 attacks (destroyed)
• Trick 'R Treat:
  • 1st Round: Lost initiative
  • 2nd Round: Won initiative, chose Ryu. Boosted 2 attack rolls (of his own) against Ryu
  • 3rd Round: Won initiative, chose Ryu. Boosted 1 attack roll (of his own) against Ryu
• Jump Scare: used once, for a bonus against Ryu
• Hallowed Tradition:
  • 1st Round: re-rolled an attack die for Dagger's SA, resulting in a wound on Luke Cage
  • 2nd Round: re-rolled the d20 for Dagger's SA, resulting in removing an OM from Ryu
  • 3rd Round: re-rolled an attack die for Dagger's SA, resulting in a wound on Luke Cage
• Damage Taken: 4 wounds from Swordsman in 4 attacks, 3 wounds from Luke Cage in 1 attack (destroyed)

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Swordsman with 3 wounds

THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: Feels fun - provides a solid boost to horror stuff, and the secret identity hook also lets you integrate him with other kinds of builds. He can be a decent attacker in the right situation as well - I imagine he'd be fun to play with Pinhead, but I wanted to stick to smaller match-ups that I could knock out quickly here.

[Yodaking]

I was starting to think 85 as an alternate to Chucky was a good idea, but those last two tests look pretty good with him at 100. Does he need to end in a '5' for some reason or would 90 work?

[Arkham]

He can end in whatever we want. Doesn't have to be a 5.

Here's the updated results:

@100 = 2-3 (one of these losses was huge)
@95 = 0-2
@90 = 0-1

Overall: 2-6

[Arkham]

I added the figure tutorial. So if we want to close this one out, now that we have a good degree of tests and armies covered, it's really down to what we want to settle on points wise.
@Ronin @Tornado @johnny139

[Tornado]

No concerns at 85+.
Chucky is better.

[johnny139]

Personally I like him at 95 based on those results. Different price point than Chucky but not too far off, more expensive because of his passive abilities. I'm pretty conservative with costs overall, but this guy has a lot of powers that get my "competitive guys furrow their brows" senses tingling.

I think most of our current Heroes will be happy with that price point, and I'll tag @japes to make sure he's in the loop here. Would love some Pre-Yeas and I'll propose at 95 later tonight unless we have objections.

I'll also ping @dok and see how he feels about the current draft. I think we resolved his concerns, want to make sure!

Oh, and awesome mod Arkham! I won't lie, seeing the finished product is the real highlight for me. Definitely didn't disappoint!

[Arkham]

95 means he can swap places with Leatherface in a Pinhead led 1,000 point Slasher build. It's not horrible to have him underperforming for his cost I suppose. Just a bit concerning seeing him go 2-6.

I maintain that his many requirements on everything he does in combination with his vulnerability keeps him far more in check than some probably realize, but I'm not gonna make a big deal over 10 points. I will say though, it's worth pointing out that he hardly played much of a deciding factor in Ronin's win, as Ronin stated in the write-up. Yet he played a much bigger role in the 2nd game, which they lost. His 2 wins have been pretty close, but his 6 losses have been by larger margins, and several were at the 95-90 point value.

Pre-Yea at 85-95 if everyone else is happy with it.

[japes]

Originally Posted by johnny139

Personally I like him at 95 based on those results. Different price point than Chucky but not too far off, more expensive because of his passive abilities. I'm pretty conservative with costs overall, but this guy has a lot of powers that get my "competitive guys furrow their brows" senses tingling.

I think most of our current Heroes will be happy with that price point, and I'll tag @japes to make sure he's in the loop here. Would love some Pre-Yeas and I'll propose at 95 later tonight unless we have objections.

I'll also ping @dok and see how he feels about the current draft. I think we resolved his concerns, want to make sure!

Oh, and awesome mod Arkham! I won't lie, seeing the finished product is the real highlight for me. Definitely didn't disappoint!

Because of the timeline i stated following along. I haven't commented much but I have been following. Ronin's test made me cautious of dropping a lot but if the price proposed is 95 I have no objections and I'd pre-yea

[Ronin]

Synergy:

Incoming Synergy:

• As a small figure, Sam has these Small Synergies.
• As a Slasher, Sam has these Slasher Synergies.

Outgoing Synergy:

• Sam may give Creatures, Slashers, and Undead an attack boost with his Trick 'r Treat special power.
• Sam's Hallowed Tradition special power can be used to re-roll dice for friendly Common or Unique figures that are Slashers or figures with secret identities.

Immunities, Benefits, and Weaknesses:

• As a figure with a secret identity, Sam interacts differently with these special powers.
• As a small figure, Sam interacts differently with these special powers.
• As a Slasher, Sam interacts differently with these special powers.
• As a Tricky figure, Sam interacts differently with these special powers.
• Sam cannot use his Hallowed Tradition special power to make enemy Event Heroes or figures with secret identities re-roll dice.

Whole new (giant) synergy category with the secret identities stuff. Very cool, but the documentation does take some doing.