The Book of Silk Spectre

[IAmBatman]

Stay classy, San Diego!

[Lord Pyre]

I updated this SP wrong, too. I must be losing my mind. Either way, this is a minor wording thing and we already figured this out.

Originally Posted by davidlhsl

Silk Spectre

Is that Phil's daughter?

Emotional Grounding
Nice defense against folks such as Joker I, though there's no prohibition on putting an Order Marker on the chosen figure's card.

Oh, what if you have Captain Marvel or Black Adam in your army with Silk Spectre and another chosen figure? It seems you would be prohibited from removing OM from the chosen figure with Wisdom of Solomon/Wisdom of Tutti-Frutti-Zahuti.

I wouldn't consider that a problem, because you'd have to factor that in your draft.

Whirlwind Attack
Simple and effective.

Counter Strike
My favorite Heroscape ability, so I naturally like it. Her defense is on the low side for this ability.

Final Thoughts
You've got me psyched for this Watchmen set. Next: Doctor Manhattan. I wonder if he's ever seen the John Adams opera Doctor Atomic?

[Lord Pyre]

Originally Posted by Margloth

Looks good. Good fillet unit: a bit niche but good for her points.

Emotional Grounding should probably have an 'optional' wording to it. Something like, "While Silk Spectre is on the battlefield, any time an Order Marker would be removed from the chosen Hero's Army Card, you may choose to prevent that." It would seem weird if Cyclops, Cable, Steve Rogers and Black Adam would not be able to remove OMs if they're on the same side.

I'm also not sure about how I feel about Reluctant as a class. She's reluctant to be in (and at the same time leave) a relationship with Manhattan, but as I recall she's pretty eager to be a hero again. Isn't she the one who talks Dreiberg back into doing it? Maybe just in the movie. Haven't read the book in awhile.

I guess I would prefer Passionate for a personality. Seems like a good fit and a good tie in to Emotional Grounding.

We already covered the OM thing, I'm just incompetent. She was also reluctant all through her career, since her mom pushed her into being a hero, to follow in her footsteps. Passionate would work too, otherwise. Anybody have any thoughts?

[IAmBatman]

I like Reluctant fine.

[Lord Pyre]

C3G INITIAL PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Silk Spectre

- THEME TEST/ Check to see if there are any powers or stats on the test unit card that does not accurately reflect the theme or likeness of what the character would and could do. Also consider destructible objects, and whether or not this characters powers should affect them.
Pass

- MIRROR TEST/ Check to see if the unit were played against itself, if there would be any loops that would upset the balance of the Game.
Pass

- BONDING TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing Bonding abilities to make sure there are no continual Bonding possibilities that do not stop appropriately or do not stop at all. This is to prevent loops in Bonding.
Pass

- SYNERGIES TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing synergies to make sure there are no factors that could break the game by making any unit to powerful or too weak.
Pass

- POWER CHECK/ Consider the test unit and all existing units and all glyphs to compare to and check for any powers that could be over amplified and break the game. Each power must define when it takes place, who or what it affects, and What are the stipulations on the power if there are any.
Pass

- FUN TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play.
Pass Two of my favorite abilities on here, so maybe I’m biased, haha!

- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play against.
Pass

- DRAFTING TEST/ Consider whether or not this design is worth drafting.
Pass Cheap, so very draftable.

- USAGE TEST/ Consider whether or not all of the powers on this card were used or at least usable.
Pass Emotional Grounding expectedly rarely comes into play, but it did once, so…

- STRATEGY TEST/ Consider whether or not the design offers any real strategy or interesting tactics to the overall game.
Pass

Heavy Hitter or Mid-Level Hero Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 90-100
- Give a brief overview. Split down the middle here, just what I like to see! She’s definitely in the 90-100 range. At this level they’re all fairly similar stats. I’m leaning towards 100 in army tests because of the synergies.
Map: Badland Bog, by Nadi

Spoiler Alert!

TEST 1
Units: Speedy (Roy, 90)
Spectre blocks all attacks from Speedy, then she gets close and kills him in one hit.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Spectre with 0 wounds.

TEST 2
Units: Mister Zsasz (100)
Zsasz gets the jump on her and takes her out.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Zsasz with 1 wound.

TEST 3
Units: Robin (Dick, 100)
This was mostly back and forth. Once Spectre closed the gap, she quickly took out Robin.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Spectre with 1 wound.

TEST 4
Units: Captain Boomerang (90)
Boomerang got a good him in first, but once Spectre closed the gap it was over.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Spectre with 3 wounds.

TEST 5
Units: Doombot (95)
The Doombot outranged her, she couldn’t even get next to him.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Doombot with 0 wounds.

TEST 6
Units: Toad (95)
Toad simply out-matches her.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Toad with 1 wound.

TEST 7
Units: Sharon Carter (90)
Sharon’s double Attack was too much for Spectre’s defense.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Sharon Carter with 1 wound.

TEST 8
Units: Captain Cold (90)
Cold’s Cold Gun gets around her counterstrike, and the defense reducer just tears her apart.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Captain Cold with 1 wound.

TEST 9
Units: Ventriloquist (90)
Ventriloquist deals 2 wounds to himself from his Tommy Gun failing.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Spectre with 0 wounds.

TEST 10
Units: Ventriloquist (90)
Ventriloquist did one wound to himself, but this time brought the battle much closer.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Spectre with 3 wounds.

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Squad Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 90
- Give a brief overview. She’s a squad killer. She killed two ninja at once, but they avoided her Counterstrike. Cool stuff.
Map: Badland Bog
Units: Hand Ninja x1

Spoiler Alert!

The ninja tried to grab height, shooting her from range to avoid Counterstrike. She killed two in one turn, and went back and forth with the last one until he grabbed height and killed her with a 4 skull roll.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Hand Ninja with 1 remaining.

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Squad Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 90-100
- Give a brief overview. It looked bad for Spectre, but then two Amazons with height on her used their normal attack and got killed by counterstrike!
Map: Badland Bog
Units: Amazon Warriors x1 (100)

Spoiler Alert!

Spectre’s Counterstrike killed two Amazons, and she got the 3rd from an attack from height.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Silk Spectre with 3 wounds.

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 100
- Give a brief overview. This was a rather boring battle, with everyone jumping on the same 7 hex tile and having a dice fest. She dealt a couple wounds, but it was mostly Batman and Robin who did the most damage here.
Map: Badland Bog
Units: Silk Spectre (100), Nite Owl, Robin (Tim), Rorschach, Batman I (690)
Vs.
Dr. Strange, Grey Gargoyle, Lizard (700)

Spoiler Alert!

Spectre picks Bats to ground. Lizard grabs height on Spectre and Rorschach, and then kills Rorschach in one hit, and wounds Spectre! Bats and Robin try to take out Lizard, but can’t deal any wounds so far. They go back and forth, with Lizard taking 4 wounds from them, but then he regenerates all 4 of those wounds! Nite Owl starts up to join Bats, then Gargoyle stones Bats! Spectre and Robin hit Lizard for another wound, and Strange flies to the brawl, dealing a wound to Robin. Robin hits Lizard for 2 wounds! At this point, everyone but Nite Owl are on an elevated surface all bunched up. Owl can’t get up there, so he’s left out. Lizard heals 4 wounds! Bats and Robin put 3 more wounds on Lizard, and then he heals those 3 wounds immediately… Gargoyle stones Bats again. Lizard heals another 2 wounds… Bats and Robin both deal 2 wounds to Lizard, FINALLY taking him out! Gargoyle gets hit by Evasive Strike. Gargoyle takes another wound from Evasive strike, but Bats and Robin can’t get through his defense. Strange obliterates Robin. Gargoyle gets hit yet again by Evasive Strike. Bats grapples over to Strange to deal him a wound, and Nite Owl gives him another. Spectre hits both Strange and Gargoyle, but fails to deal any wounds. The next round, Gargoyle deals 2 wounds to her, and stones her. Strange takes out Bats, leaving just Silk Spectre and Nite Owl. Gargoyle then rolls 4 skulls against Nite Owl, and Owl rolls 0 shields. Spectre deals a single wound to Gargoyle, and Strange takes her out.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Dr. Strange with 3 wounds, and Grey Gargoyle with 4 wounds.

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 100
- Give a brief overview. She didn’t do a ton here, she didn’t really need to with Batman cleaning house with Shadow Strike. If Omni-Man didn’t go out like a chump against Bats, I think he would have decimated the Vigilates. She did get the final kill on Gambit, and prevented Iceman from removing an OM once, so she definitely earned her points.
Map: Badland Bog
Units: Silk Spectre (100), Batman II, Punisher, Nomad, Robin (Tim), Robin (Dick), Nite Owl (1010)
VS.
Omni-Man, Professor X, Gambit, Iceman (1020)

Spoiler Alert!

Bats starts with the Grapple, Shurikans, and First Aid. Spectre Grounds Bats. Prof. X moves up. As both armies move up, Punisher shoots a rocket at Omni-Man, dealing 3 wounds! Punisher totally blocks a huge attack from Omni-Man. Punisher leaves engagement from Omni-Man, taking a wound to shoot a rocket, but this one misses. Dick throws a batarang and somehow deals a wound to Omni-Man. An Omni-Assault obliterates Punisher, then. Nomad shotguns Omni-Man, dealing 2 wounds! Omni-Man retreats to heal later on. He heals, and Nomad charges forward, missing Iceman. A Five Card Draw from Gambit takes out Nomad very quickly. Gambit Polevaults to Nite Owl, dealing 3 wounds. Iceman attacks Bats, but is Shadow Struck. Robin hits Iceman for a wound. Gambit and Iceman miss their targets. Omni-Man heals again. Gambit takes out Nite Owl, and Iceman wounds Bats (But can’t remove a marker from his card because of Silk Spectre). Bats grapples next to the Professor, but he stops Bats’ turn. Omni-Man assaults Bats, but somehow he escapes two attacks of 3 and an attack of 4 with only 1 wound! Plus Omni-man takes a wound, but you know, haha! Bats punches the cripple, dealing 3 wounds. Omni-Man assaults Bats again, but gets struck twice more and is killed! Bats knocks out the cripple! Bats uses his First Aid kit, and (Nevermind, I don’t think Tim can take a turn after Bats uses his First Aid, since it’s instead of his turn). Bats wounds Iceman, and Dick engages Gambit, who polevaulted by Spectre earlier. Bats takes out Iceman, and Dick deals a wound to Gambit. Gambit’s cards do 2 wounds to Dick. Spectre misses Gambit, and Dick deals 2 wounds to him! Gambit’s cards miss Dick, but deal 2 wounds to Spectre. Spectre then gets the kill!
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Batman with 1 wound, Silk Spectre with 2 wounds, Dick Grayson with 2 wounds, and Tim Drake with 1 wound.

[Lord Pyre]

She feels kind of like 90 so far, but I think I'm going to bump her to 100 in the army tests because of the synergies!

[IAmBatman]

Makes sense. Good start!

[Lord Pyre]

Holy crap! I finally finished the Initial!

She looks good at 100. Emotional Grounding rarely comes into play, but that was expected.

[johnny139]

100 seems a bit on the high side, but she can probably get that high up against squad-heavy armies. Pre-Yea at 100.

[Lord Pyre]

Originally Posted by johnny139

100 seems a bit on the high side, but she can probably get that high up against squad-heavy armies. Pre-Yea at 100.

Yeah, she decimated that squad of Amazons pretty fast. I wanted to test her against some OM removing figures, since I'm sure the public will pit her again criminals or other squads at some point.

[Hahma]

Pre-Yea at 100

[quozl]

Pre-Yea