The Book of Emil Hamilton

[LordVenoc]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

What if you just significantly lowered the needed roll so after a certain number of rounds the roll was automatic?

COUNTERMEASURE DEVELOPMENT
At the start of the game, choose an opponent’s figure to be Hamilton’s Subject. At the start of each round, you may roll the 20 sided die, adding X to your roll, where X is equal to the current round. If you roll a 6 or higher, you may negate all powers on Hamilton's Subject's card during your turns until the end of the round. Figures may only have powers negated by this effect once per game.


Something like that? Honestly I think the bigger risk with the power right now is choosing to roll too early, hitting it before you expect to, and not really being set up to take advantage of it. So you really have to choose not to roll for it for a round or two until you're in position.

I dig the general direction. What's the current list of Glyphs of Invention?

Yeah I could see that. Could see limiting it to just a turn as well if it feels too strong. Lowering the roll is definitely solid.

Current Invention Glyphs:

Anti-Grav Gauntlet
Cosmic Converter Belt
E-Ray
Experimental Medicine
Neutralizer
Replicator
Shield Belt
Shrinking Ray Gun
Sonic Gun
Teleportation Belt
Web-Pistol

[Lord Pyre]

Limiting to a turn is a good way to reign it in if need be. Bats' idea overall is cool.

[LordVenoc]

Yep. So I'm thinking this is where I'll head post breathing:

ADVANCED SCIENCE SUPPORT
At the start of the game, you may place two Glyphs of Invention beside this card. Before moving normally with a Unique Hero with either more than one species or the class of Champion you control, if it is adjacent to Hamilton, you may place one of those Glyphs of Invention on its card. If it is not adjacent to Hamilton, you may reveal an "X" Order Marker on that card to place a Glyph on Invention on its card.

COUNTERMEASURE DEVELOPMENT
At the start of the game, choose an opponent’s figure to be Hamilton’s Subject. At the start of each round, you may roll the 20 sided die, adding X to your roll, where X is equal to the current round. If you roll a 6 or higher, you may negate all powers on Hamilton's Subject's card during your turns until the end of the round. Figures may only have powers negated by this effect once per game.

[IAmBatman]

Hmm, the Champion addition could get a tad scary. Shield Belt seems like the one that could be really nasty on a Champion.

[LordVenoc]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Hmm, the Champion addition could get a tad scary. Shield Belt seems like the one that could be really nasty on a Champion.

I mean it was originally wide open, so technically its a limitation there. We can limit it to Kryptonians (as he mostly worked specifically with Superman before going more crazy/Cadmus) and multi-species instead if we like.

And Shield Belt isn't terrible. Its just annoying on Braniac 5. Its supposed to die the first time you whiff the D20 roll.

[IAmBatman]

Sure. I was thinking on like Doctor Fate (JL), but I suppose he can help manipulate the roll even if it's not on him.

[LordVenoc]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

Sure. I was thinking on like Doctor Fate (JL), but I suppose he can help manipulate the roll even if it's not on him.

Dr. Fate makes D20 defensive stuff a pain. More news at 11

Yeah there's no real perfect way to handle that when the faction I'm most wanting him to work with can kinda sorta include Fate as is. Lack of overall D20s has been the main thing to keep him out, and I think/hope he's going to be inclined toward at least the visor here in a lot of cases. A lot of his flexibility will depend on if we lock to Kryptonians or let him support Champions. Because I'm actually fine going full Champion lock because he's not always been a part of Cadmus, and most everything he interacts with at Cadmus is part Kryptonian anyway..

[IAmBatman]

Eh, I think that synergy's there if you want it already (Doctor Fate + Shield Belt) without Emil being involved, so I wouldn't really worry about it.

[Arch-vile]

He seems like a juiced Lucius Fox with the glyphs, plus the whole negation thing. Though I think Lucius is a bit undercooked for his cost, so there's an argument for making Emil more reliable.

I'd definitely limit him to in-faction figures, whatever that ends up being (Champion, multi-species, Kryptonian, etc.). Less potential for Glyph cheese that way.

I don't love Countermeasure Development lasting for the rest of the game. There's no way for the opponent to play around it, and it seems like something that'd be really swingy. Maybe make it last just one round.

[LordVenoc]

Originally Posted by Arch-vile

He seems like a juiced Lucius Fox with the glyphs, plus the whole negation thing. Though I think Lucius is a bit undercooked for his cost, so there's an argument for making Emil more reliable.

I'd definitely limit him to in-faction figures, whatever that ends up being (Champion, multi-species, Kryptonian, etc.). Less potential for Glyph cheese that way.

I don't love Countermeasure Development lasting for the rest of the game. There's no way for the opponent to play around it, and it seems like something that'd be really swingy. Maybe make it last just one round.

Its till the end of the round already. Not sure where you're seeing the rest of game. Fox is still a good comparison to him I think, definitely willing to drop the effectiveness of Countermeasures, as I do want the Inventions to feel more like the core of the card.

[Arch-vile]

I don't know how I misread that, whoops. Ignore the mad ramblings of Archie.

[LordVenoc]

Updated dice roll of Countermeasures, and moved Science support to Kryptonians only, as all his interactions with Cadmus stuff are characters that are already part Kryptonian. Dual species thing felt unnecessary there if we're trying to keep out Champions here.

Let's move Dr. Hamilton to initial testing at 60 points.