The Book of Hand Mystics

[Yodaking]

My first thought was to use the SS restriction we've talked about on other powers to try and limit how powerful a figure you can brainwash, but then I saw Dok's later comment about humans/mutates/mutants. Race does seem a little more on point in terms of theme, I imagine the resurrection process they use is based on a human or near human physiology. Their resurrection process might not work on an alien, much less an android or undead. Not really sure though, who all have they resurrected in the comics? Have they ever tried to resurrect someone and the process failed?

[Scapemage]

I'd be okay with a Species restriction here. I see where you're coming from in terms of Brainwashing army building dok, as this was the concern I had as well. That said, your analysis makes me feel better about it and I envision some pretty interesting armies forming around these guys, which I am generally a proponent of.

[Ronin]

That I know of, they've resurrected Elektra, Gorgon (the Mutant, not the Inhuman), Northstar, Doc Ock, Spot, Bullseye, White Tiger (Angela), and Black Tarantula. Probably others that I'm not up on.

I think allegedly they resurrected the Skrull that impersonated Elektra, but she was probably feigning death to begin with.

Humans, Mutates and Mutants would be a reasonable restriction.

[dok]

I thought about no-SS as well but Gorgon and BlackT break that.

Originally Posted by Ronin

Do you think weird Star-Lord/JL stuff is going to pull them away from wanting to hang out with the Hand Ninja too much, or is that pretty strictly 'weird high-point shenanigans' army-building rather than bread-and-butter stuff?

The whole point of Ninja-fying your unit in general is to get the bonding activation with Masahiro or Hand Ninjas. Yes, there's that peculiar JL/Star-Lord backdoor stuff but as you say tha's mostly high-point shennanigans. Even in that crazy SL/JL army I'm including Masahiro.

One big test at 2250 points or whatever might be reasonable to try but it's not likely to drive the cost in general.

Originally Posted by Ronin

Thoughts on the price?

It's a very hard one to guess for sure. I think this resurrection is worse than Zola's, and Zola fits a fair collection of other tricks under the hood for 200 points. Jackal can resurrect Mutates, albeit poorly, for 255 points.

For Hand Mystics, the inconsistency comes not from a roll but from having to be near the dying figure and needing to stay alive afterwards. That's actually a tight needle to thread and would often require some defensive figures supporting them. I'm thinking low 100s? A boom or bust squad at that price - they will very rarely be worth that much; it will usually be much more or much less..

[Ronin]

Alright, thanks for the analysis dok.

I stripped out the Mental Shield immunity and put the species restrictions in both powers. Mental Shield call-out would have been nice, but I think it's ultimately expendable especially with the species requirement - it all works out to a bit too much text.

I propose we move the Hand Mystics to initial testing at 125.
Yodaking - yea
japes - yea
ZJ - yea
Scapemage - yea

Probably gonna slow-roll the initial and try to run a bunch of games, since they're a swingy unit.

[Yodaking]

I think if you leave 1 in the start zone you can reasonably expect the ressurection to occur if the first part takes place. I agree that first part (needing to be close when someone dies) could be difficult. I think the Hand Ninja will need to be used as a screen to keep figures from attacking the mystic. Maybe include the Foot as well to help with the screening process for the Mystics.

[Yodaking]

Looks good. yea

[Ronin]

Originally Posted by Yodaking

I think if you leave 1 in the start zone you can reasonably expect the ressurection to occur if the first part takes place. I agree that first part (needing to be close when someone dies) could be difficult. I think the Hand Ninja will need to be used as a screen to keep figures from attacking the mystic. Maybe include the Foot as well to help with the screening process for the Mystics.

I think there's definitely some tension between wanting to keep one back (to make it easier to keep them alive after you've resurrected someone) and wanting to move them all forward (to make it easier to actually pull off the resurrection in the first place). It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

[japes]

Lets see how this plays out YEA

HA!!! Ronin Ninja'd me (how appropriate) with the same comment.

[Zettian Juggernaut]

Yea, want to see how they play.

[Scapemage]

Yea, looking good here. I have no doubt they'll be boom or bust as dok is saying but some units should play that way.

[IAmBatman]

Not following closely enough to vote, but following the rules closely enough to know that this passes under the new rules where a Hero/Legend's proposal counts as a vote.