The Book of Martian Manhunter (Justice League)

[Arkham]

Originally Posted by johnny139

Swapping Scientist to MM and Vigilante to Batman feels sensible to me - thematically in that Bats would be likely to team up with other Vigilantes while MM is more of a scientist, and mechanically in that there are more Vigilantes in need of d20 boosts than Scientists.

Fair, I think that's a YodaKing choice to make. I'd be open to it, but I know YK wasn't a fan of the idea of Batman having more Vigilante synergy. Personally, I see no issue with it, and yeah, you'll have another Batman that works well with Vigilantes, but it's in a different way, and he's still goping to play best in a Justice League army with others getting markers.

[IAmBatman]

I'm kind of liking the idea of Martian Manhunter bringing in Scientists, Officers, Vigilantes, and Warriors, and letting Champions come in through the Trinity with Supes. But, ultimately, the designs that follow can adjust and adapt based on whatever we do here, so I'm not too worried about it, so long as we keep the thematic classes overall.

[Lazy Orang]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

I'm kind of liking the idea of Martian Manhunter bringing in Scientists, Officers, Vigilantes, and Warriors, and letting Champions come in through the Trinity with Supes. But, ultimately, the designs that follow can adjust and adapt based on whatever we do here, so I'm not too worried about it, so long as we keep the thematic classes overall.

Why not let MM bring in all 5? That way you've got all the core members working right off the bat (though actually off the martian, really - the bat comes later) and then you can refine it later. It just seems weird for MM to be able to work with all the core members except Superman (and Flash Wally West if you count him, and he does seem an important one, even if he isn't Barry), honestly.

[IAmBatman]

Originally Posted by Lazy Orang

Why not let MM bring in all 5? That way you've got all the core members working right off the bat (though actually off the martian, really - the bat comes later) and then you can refine it later. It just seems weird for MM to be able to work with all the core members except Superman (and Flash Wally West if you count him, and he does seem an important one, even if he isn't Barry), honestly.

Ask johnny.

[Arkham]

Martian Manhunter needs to keep Champions, unless we want to put them on the Justice League International one on Blue Beetle/Fate. Because when you drafted Blue Beetle and Martian Manhunter, you had the main classes covered for Justice League International. That's the only real issue I have with dropping Champions from him. Otherwise I'd say if you draft Superman, you're getting Champions regardless, so he'd still work well with Superman III.

[IAmBatman]

We'll adjust any other design based on what's on here. So worry about getting this right and feel confident that all the ones to come can adjust around what we do here.

[Karat]

Originally Posted by IAmBatman

We'll adjust any other design based on what's on here. So worry about getting this right and feel confident that all the ones to come can adjust around what we do here.

don't stretch yourself thin trying to match this design up with all the others that haven't been designed yet. You'll burn yourself out.

[dok]

For my part, I prefer keeping the number of classes listed on the card down. 4 is already tied with Waller for the most in any power, and hers are much more obviously linked.

I don't want to get back into the whole "what is the Justice League about" argument that Dysole, et al, made in the past. But do remember that this whole class-listing approach is a compromise based on extended back-and-forth, and the more classes get put down on each card the less some of us like it.

[Arkham]

I'm not pushing for any more than 4, and if I were to do any number changing, it'd be to cut it to 3, but I feel 4 is necessary here. Most of the other cards can get away with 3, or even 2, as I listed in a previous post, to accomplish what they are setting out to accomplish.

If we're feeling it as is, I'll propose a vote to move to initials.
@IAmBatman Yea
@johnny139
@Viegon Yea
@Karat Yea
@SirGalahad
@TrollBrute Yea

[Karat]

Yea

[Viegon]

Yea

[IAmBatman]

yea