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Old November 10th, 2023, 11:49 AM
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Mister Zsasz

Mister Zsasz (Victor Zsasz)



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NAME = MISTER ZSASZ
IDENTITY = VICTOR ZSASZ

UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
SPECIES = HUMAN
CLASS = TORMENTOR
PERSONALITY = INSANE

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 2
DEFENSE = 4

POINTS = 100


DEADLY FORCE
When Mister Zsasz attacks normally, skulls count as 2 hits.

KILL COUNT
After Mister Zsasz defeats an adjacent enemy, place 1 Tally Marker on this card, up to a max of 3. When Mister Zsasz uses a normal attack action, he may attack 1 additional time for each Tally Marker that was on this card at the start of your turn.

FACTION = GOTHAM UNDERWORLD
PUBLISHER = DC
KEYWORDS = Arkham
SYMBOLS =
WINTER 2024: Zsasz tracks each kill with slash marks on his body, always looking to increase his score.

Resources and Rulings
• The suggested figure for this unit is a Heroclix figure: Streets of Gotham #024 / Mr. Zsasz
• See this card's wiki page for synergies and strategies!

Credits
• Legacy design: IAmBatman
• Card art: Arkham
• Comic creators: Alan Grant and Norm Breyfogle

Updates
• N/A

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Old November 10th, 2023, 11:51 AM
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Re: Mister Zsasz - Design

Hoping for pretty much a straight conversion here. Only mechanical changes of note are he's a Tormentor now, in the Gotham Underworld faction, and has the Arkham keyword.

Things I'd consider if there's support (and would sanity test):

1. Moving him to 5 Life and 4 Defense
2. Giving him Stealth
3. Should we just call him Victor Zsasz?

5 defense feels a bit high for a shirtless dude wandering around but I don't want to make him too squishy. He certainly shrugs off pain pretty easily, so I could see the life/defense swap on him.

He's definitely a stealthy/stalkerish type when he wants to be.

He does go by Mister Zsasz, but the Mister Zsasz (Victor Zsasz) thing is a bit weird and redundant feeling.

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Old November 10th, 2023, 12:15 PM
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Re: Mister Zsasz - Design

I was going to recommend point 3 so definitely agree with that one.

Stealth sounds good. 4/5 and 5/4 stats are pretty similar so I have no preference there.
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Old November 10th, 2023, 01:11 PM
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Re: Mister Zsasz - Design

I like the 5 life 4D part. Good with all the rest as well.

I do think our Stealth isn't really about stalking silently around the battlefield but I also think he's the type that would shrug off that swipe anyway so it works mechanically for me.

Would I want it to be everything I love...sure...but that's just not realistic so I'm going to focus on finding things that will make me unhappy and work on fixing those.
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Old November 10th, 2023, 01:16 PM
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Re: Mister Zsasz - Design

1. I think 5L 4D feels better for a human, but I wouldn't be too fussed either way.
2. I don't see why he'd need it, he's always been solid in the past.
3. I prefer the Mr. here, just because that's basically his "super" name. That's 90% of the time what he goes by so might as well represent it?

But in the end, I'm not too fussed about any of them.
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Old November 10th, 2023, 01:20 PM
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Re: Mister Zsasz - Design

1. Yes
2. No preference
3. I don't know the character enough to anwser
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Re: Mister Zsasz - Design

1. Yes
2. Maybe, lean no. Extra life from point 1 would make it easier to risk the Swipe.
3. Kind of like the Mister Zsasz here. I don't know the character well enough, but it feels like that's his serial killer name like The Zodiac Killer or BTK.
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Old November 11th, 2023, 12:19 PM
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Re: Mister Zsasz - Design

OK, based on input, updating to 5 Life/4 Defense, going to keep Stealth off of him, and stick with Mister Zsasz for now.

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Re: Mister Zsasz - Design

5 Life should make it a little tougher for Pinhead to bring him back too, which should help control some of the value he gets out of the class change.

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Re: Mister Zsasz - Design

Would 105 work point wise or would that be undesirable for his faction build potential?

Only ask because Tormentors have Ghostface at 100, and Gremlins who can make multiples of 100s at 25 points a piece. Might be nice to hit a different number.

But of course, prioritizing Gotham builds makes sense.
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Old November 11th, 2023, 02:26 PM
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Re: Mister Zsasz - Design

Hmm, it's a thinker. My initial thought is "maybe"? I don't know that we have the Gotham Underworld and Insane stuff worked out enough to know for sure yet, but there will surely be some 5 point ending options.

I would like to hear from @japes before pulling the trigger on that, though, since he may have big picture thoughts on the faction (since he often does).

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Re: Mister Zsasz - Design

I like having 100 point add on options when army building. I feel like 105 would negatively impact his draft status when making Insane/Arkham/Gotham Underground builds.
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