The Book of Sub-Zero

[Yodaking]

Ah, okay then yea. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

[SirGalahad]

yea

[Arkham]

This passes.

[Arkham]

C3G INITIAL PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Sub-Zero

Heavy Hitter or Mid-Level Hero Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 220
- Give a brief overview. Sub went 1-2 at 220. He lost to Rhino twice and won against Marrow once. I felt pretty confident to go further at that point level after those matchups.
Map: Custom

Spoiler Alert!

TEST 1
Units: Rhino
Summery:Sub scores a quick 2 wounds on a botched defense by Rhino. Rhino took a wound from LEA. Rhino puts 3 wounds on Sub. Sub scored 1 wound. Rhino then killed Sub.
Who won and how many wounds did they have?
R1T3 Rhino with 4 wounds.

TEST 2
Units: Rhino
Summery:Rhino puts 4 wounds on Sub. Rhino kills Sub.
Who won and how many wounds did they have?
R1T3 Rhino unwounded.

TEST 3
Units: Marrow
Summery:Marrow gets to height and takes a wound to do 2 additional attacks from range. Marrow puts 1 wound on Sub and takes 1 wound. Marrow's SD puts 1 wound on Sub. Marrow puts 1 wound on Sub and takes 1 wound. Sub puts 1 wound on Marrow. Sub kills Marrow.
Who won and how many wounds did they have?
R2T3 Sub with 3 wounds.

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Army Test 1
Map: Custom
Units:
Sub-Zero(220), Ms Marvel(350), Captain America(240), Psylocke(250) (1,060)
vs.
Luke Cage(190), Iron Fist(260), Wolverine(280), Swordsman(160), Tigra(170) (1,060)

Spoiler Alert!

Attack Damage:
R2T3: 1 wound on Cage. (IB7, Cap)
R3T2: 1 wound on Cage. (Cap, Ms Marvel)
R3T3: 1 wound on Cage. (Cap, Ms Marvel)
R4T2: 1 wound on Tigra, kills her. (Ms Marvel)
R4T3: 2 wounds on Wolverine. (Ms Marvel)
R5T1: 1 wound on Wolverine. (Slide + Ms Marvel)

Ice Clone Counter:


Notes:
Ms Marvel puts 2 wounds on Fist.
Fist puts a wound on Marvel and heals 1 wound.
Cap puts 2 wounds on Fist. (botch)
Fist puts a wound on Cap, heals 1 wound.
Ms Marvel kills Iron Fist. (botch)
R3T3: Ms Marvel puts 2 wounds on Tigra. (IB7 + Cap + height)
Tigra kills Cap.
R4T2: Ms Marvel puts 3 wounds on Wolverine. (IB7 + height)
Wolverine puts 1 wound on Sub, heals 1 wound. Cage puts 1 wound on Ms Marvel.
Ms Marvel puts 1 wound on Cage.
Wolverine heals.
R5T1: Ms Marvel puts 1 wound on Cage, kills him. (IB7)
Wolverine puts 1 wound on Ms Marvel but takes 2 wounds, heals 1 wound.
R6T1: Ms Marvel puts 2 wounds on Wolverine, kills him. (IB7)
R6T2: Ms Marvel puts 3 wounds on Swordsman. (IB7 + height)


Sub-Zero with 4/5 wounds, Ms. Marvel with 2/5 wounds, and Psylocke unwounded.

Felt like a pretty even matchup, but Ms. Marvel and Sub-Zero were certainly a threat. Sub would Ice Blast one person, then attack a different person, allowing for Ms. Marvel to hit the Ice Blasted person from height. Hard to say if the combo was too good or not, as it didn't feel like a blowout. Let's see how a rematch works out for a better understanding.

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Army Test 2 (rematch)
Map: Custom
Units:
Sub-Zero(220), Ms Marvel(350), Captain America(240), Psylocke(250) (1,060)
vs.
Luke Cage(190), Iron Fist(260), Wolverine(280), Swordsman(160), Tigra(170) (1,060)

Spoiler Alert!

Attack Damage:
R3T1: 1 wound on Cage. (Slide + Cap + Ms Marvel)
R3T2: 1 wound on Cage. (Ms Marvel)
R3T3: 1 wound on Cage, kills him. (Slide + Ms Marvel)
R4T1: 3 wounds on Wolverine(botch). (Ms. Marvel)
R4T3: 4 wounds on Swordsman(3 are excess)(botch), kills him. (Ms Marvel)

Ice Clone Counter:
R3T2: reveals X to put 3 wounds on Tigra(2 excess), kills her.

Notes:
Ms Marvel puts 3 wounds on Iron Fist.
R2T2: Ms Marvel puts 1 wound on Iron Fist. (IB7 + Cap)
Fist puts 1 wound on Cap, Cage puts 2 wounds on Cap.
R3T1: Ms Marvel puts 3 wounds on Iron Fist(1 excess), kills him. (IB7)
R3T1: Cage kills Cap.
R3T2: Ms Marvel puts 4 wounds on Tigra(botch). (IB7)
R3T3: Ms Marvel puts 3 wounds on Swordsman from height.
R4T1: Wolverine puts 2 wounds on Sub.
R4T1: Ms Marvel puts 2 wounds on Wolverine.
R4T2: Wolverine puts 2 wounds on Sub, heals 1 wound.
R4T3: Ms Marvel kills Wolverine. (IB7)


Sub-Zero with 4/5 wounds, Psylocke with 1/5 wounds, and Ms Marvel unwounded.

Another game where Luke Cage's team had some pretty devastating botches. Ultimately Sub, Cap, and Ms. Marvel proved to be a powerful combo, and Psylocke pretty much went unused.

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Change made: Sub-Zero's Ice Blast is only for his turn not the player turn.

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Army Test 3 (rematch)
Map: Custom
Units:
Sub-Zero(220), Ms Marvel(350), Captain America(240), Psylocke(250) (1,060)
vs.
Luke Cage(190), Iron Fist(260), Wolverine(280), Swordsman(160), Tigra(170) (1,060)

Spoiler Alert!

Attack Damage:
R3T2: 2 wounds on Tigra. (Slide + Cap + Ms Marvel)
R3T3: 1 wound on Fist(botch). (Cap + Ms Marvel)
R4T2: 3 wounds on Wolverine(botch), kills him. (IB7 + Slide + Cap + Ms Marvel)
R5T2: 1 wound on Swordsman, kills him. (Ms. Marvel)

Ice Clone Counter:


Notes:
Ms Marvel puts 2 wounds on Wolverine. (Cap + height)
Ms Marvel puts 2 wounds on Tigra. (Cap + height)
Cap kills Cage. (botch)
Ms Marvel kills Tigra. (Cap)
Ms Marvel kills Fist.
Cap puts 2 wounds on Swordsman.
Swordsman kills Cap.


Ms Marvel with 1 wound, Psylocke and Sub-Zero unwounded.

Another crap luck game for the fighters. Cage and Wolverine both had big botches, and the team just struggled to do any damage. Going to move on from the fighters, as they are proving to be a bit of a dud against this team, and their poor luck and lack of any real damage is making it hard to gauge Sub-Zero's true value.

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Army Test 4
Map: Custom
Units:
Sub-Zero(210), Ms Marvel(350), Captain America(240) (800)
vs.
Star-Lord(250), Gamora(310), Nebula(240) (800)

Spoiler Alert!

Attack Damage:
R2T3: 2 wounds on Nebula. (IB7 + Cap + Ms Marvel)
R3T2: 2 wounds on Gamora. (IB7 + Cap + Ms Marvel)

Ice Clone Counter:


Notes:
Cap puts 2 wounds on Nebula.
Gamora puts 2 wounds on Cap.
Ms Marvel puts 4 wounds on Star-Lord. (Cap + height)
Nebula puts 3 wounds on Ms Marvel and takes 1 wound.
Ms Marvel kills Nebula.
Cap takes 1 wound from LEA, kills Star-Lord.
Ms Marvel kills Gamora. (Cap)


Ms Marvel with 3/5 wounds, Cap with 3/5 wounds, and Sub-Zero unwounded.

Pretty close matchup, lots of back and forth attacks. Ms Marvel rolled some really nice defenses that kept her in the game, making the difference.

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Army Test 5 (rematch)
Map: Custom
Units:
Sub-Zero(210), Ms Marvel(350), Captain America(240) (800)
vs.
Star-Lord(250), Gamora(310), Nebula(240) (800)

Spoiler Alert!

Attack Damage:
R3T3: 2 wounds on Nebula(1 excess), kills her. (Ms Marvel)
R4T3: 3 wounds on Gamora(2 excess), kills her. (Ms Marvel)
R5T2: 2 wounds on Star-Lord, kills him. (IB7 + Ms Marvel)

Ice Clone Counter:


Notes:
Sub takes 2 wounds from Gamora's MMA. Ms Marvel puts 2 wounds on Nebula.
Ms Marvel puts 3 wounds on Nebula.
Gamora kills Cap.
Sub takes 1 wound from Gamora's MMA. Ms Marvel puts 4 wounds on Gamora. (botch)
Ms Marvel puts 2 wounds on Star-Lord.
Star-Lord puts 2 wounds on Ms Marvel, and takes 1 wound.


Sub-Zero with 4/5 wounds, Ms Marvel with 2/5 wounds.

A close match, but once again Sub-Zero's team wins the luck lottery. Gamora should have had the match in the bag but botched, taking 4 wounds, completely changing the outcome of the game.

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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY:
I'm a bit tired of playing matches, because the other team continually botches rolls which muddy the results. Sub-Zero is certainly decent. The change to Ice Blast only lasting for his own turn reigns him in a necessary amount, as I don't want him to be an ultra power combo with Cap and Ms Marvel. I also think a point bump up to 230 is in order. If he still comes in too strong in Public Testing, we can dial something in if needed. Otherwise, I'm pretty happy with where he is. I like his options, but I'm ready for others to test him as I have had nothing but poor luck with the opposing teams, which turns a good game into a tainted one.

[Arkham]

Initials updated. I'm ready to throw in the towel here on testing him. I ran into a lot of botches on the opposing team, that led to a lot of wins for his team. However, after making Ice Blast only last for his turn instead of the player turn, and bumping his points to 230, I feel ready to see others give him a go.

You'll see after the change, the last 3 games his contributions were pretty fair, with Ms Marvel and Cap really being the ones to make the team what it was. The last 2 games I played him at 210, and both could have easily gone to the other team had they not botched in key moments. So 230 feels good going into Public Testing.

[Arkham]

I propose a vote to move to Public Playtesting.
@Ronin - yea
@japes - yea
@Yodaking - yea
@johnny139
@SirGalahad
@Spidey'tilIDie
@Tornado - yea

[Ronin]

yea

Seems like his luck was a little skewed in initials - let's see how he does in the public.

[Yodaking]

yea

[Tornado]

Yea

[japes]

YEA

[Arkham]

This passes

[johnny139]

Haven't posted here yet, but I'll pop in to say everything looks good to me.