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Old December 27th, 2020, 11:06 AM
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Re: The Book of Kris Hathaway (Vote for Initial)

Getting 50 points for her on the calculator, btw.

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Old December 27th, 2020, 11:24 AM
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Re: The Book of Kris Hathaway (Vote for Initial)

Little lower than I'd hoped, so some proposed tweaks if needing to power her up as the initial goes on:

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PSIOT CONTINGENCY
When a Unique Hero you control is destroyed, you may immediately remove a Renegade Marker from this card to remove any unrevealed Order Markers from that card and place them on any Unique Psiot Hero card you control. Then, the attacking player's turn immediately ends.
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UNDERDOG TACTICS
Once per player turn, after rolling combat die for a special attack with a Psiot you control with at least 1 wound, you may remove a Renegade marker from this card to immediately reroll up to 2 die.
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UNDERDOG TACTICS
Once per player turn, after rolling combat die for a special attack with a Psiot you control with at least 1 wound, you may remove a Renegade marker from this card to immediately reroll up to 2 die up to two times each.
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Old December 27th, 2020, 09:51 PM
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Re: The Book of Kris Hathaway (Vote for Initial)

Do still need one more vote here, but am thinking that Contingency needs switched out. People have (rightfully) pointed out that it doesn't quite align with the story attempting to be told with the write up, and it ultimately lets the strategy be "Pete leads the charge and the plebian Psiots follow along" so how about:

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RENEGADE RAMPAGE (Or some other silly name)
After revealing an Order Marker on a Psiot you control and taking a turn with that figure, you may remove a Renegade Marker from this card. If you do, you may immediately attack with two different Psiots you control that do not share a class. You may not take additional turns with other figures you control.
Maybe even a once per round clause on that, plus the Underdog tactics changes might get to a higher point total?

EDIT: And could see throwing some sort of not Rebellious in there to continue encouraging not just dumping on Pete, so like:

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After revealing an Order Marker on a Psiot you control without the Rebellious personality and taking a turn with that figure, you may remove a Renegade Marker from this card. If you do, you may immediately attack with two different Psiots you control that do not share a class. You may not take additional turns with other figures you control.
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Re: The Book of Kris Hathaway (Vote for Initial)

Seems like an interesting tactical power. I’d probably limit it to once per round, otherwise you spend rounds 1-2 moving everyone up and then round 3 just making 9+ attacks and potentially crushing an opposing army.
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Re: The Book of Kris Hathaway (Vote for Initial)

Definitely seems to tell the "front running"/"have a good plan until it falls apart" story better, though. Also more point value there, I think than what you had in the other powers.

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Re: The Book of Kris Hathaway (Vote for Initial)

I worry it'd be veering a bit too hard into complexity for a 100-point support piece.

Honest opinion, I'm starting to feel like the markers are a bit of a white rabbit? I think it's a cool concept, but it feels like the other powers are working to justify them a tad, not the other way around. (Personal opinion obviously, not sure if anyone else agrees.) I think it's also notable that the player can often just avoid blowing the last marker to avoid the fairly massive downside.

Just a radical loose thought, what if she was based around how many unwounded Psiots (with different classes) you have? I That would capture the "strike hard, burn out fast" gameplay style, and would pair well with Peter, punishing the enemy for focusing solely on him. I really liked that aspect of Torque, it felt like a great way to represent his lack of experience.
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After a Psiot you control rolls attack dice for a normal or special attack, you may roll the 20-sided die, adding 2 to the roll for each unwounded Psiot you control with a different class. If you roll 16 or higher, you may immediately re-roll up to 2 attack dice. If you roll 20 or higher, you may re-roll any attack dice.
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Re: The Book of Kris Hathaway (Vote for Initial)

At this point, I like the theme provided by the markers too much to ditch it without giving it one game of attempt. Not opposed to ditching it, but want to give it a fair shake first.
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Re: The Book of Kris Hathaway (Vote for Initial)

I just don’t like the huge downside for no markers on the card. You’re never going to use the last marker which is strange.
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Re: The Book of Kris Hathaway (Vote for Initial)

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I just don’t like the huge downside for no markers on the card. You’re never going to use the last marker which is strange.
I've been trying to walk that balance of making the marker spending options enticing so it does feel like a viable move to get the last one spent even with the downside. Again, without the negative the markers aren't accomplishing the thematic goal. If people are truly opposed to it I suppose I can scrap it.
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Re: The Book of Kris Hathaway (Vote for Initial)

Maybe make that line say if there are no markers on this card or if Kris dies, minus from init for the rest of the game.
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Re: The Book of Kris Hathaway (Breathing)

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NAME = KRIS HATHAWAY
SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = STRATEGIST
PERSONALITY = CONFIDENT

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 3

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 2
DEFENSE = 2

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RENEGADE COORDINATOR
At the start of the game, for each figure in your army with a different class, you must place a blue Renegade marker on this card, to a maximum of 5 markers. If there is at least one Renegade marker on this card, Psiots you control will not take leaving engagement attacks from figures engaged with at least one other figure you control. If there are no Renegade markers on this card or if Kris is destroyed, you must subtract 10 from your initiative for the remainder of the game.

UNDERDOG TACTICS
Once per player turn, after rolling combat die for a special attack with a Psiot you control with at least 1 wound, you may remove a Renegade marker from this card to immediately reroll up to 2 die.

RENEGADE RAMPAGE
After revealing an Order Marker on a Psiot you control and taking a turn with that figure, you may remove a Renegade Marker from this card and choose different Psiot you control. Immediately attack with that Psiot, and if that Psiot was moved this player turn you may choose and attack with one additional Psiot. You may not take additional turns with other figures you control.
This is what I'm thinking fyi, for at least one game to get a feel for it. I switched to the move thing on Rampage, but may be better off sticking with the original as the separate class thing is probably better in the long run as opposed to the mechanical nudge away from Pete (when I could just be more overt about it). That version does save about 6 words comparatively.
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Re: The Book of Kris Hathaway (Vote for Initial)

Definitely think the “or destroyed” clause makes the negative more justifiable. Cause now you’ll want to use the markers before she dies. Bit more push and pull.
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