The Book of Orange Construct (Controller)
The Book of Orange Construct (Controller) C3G DC SUPER SECRET EXCLUSIVE 77 FESTIVAL OF LIGHTS: LESS IS MORE http://heroscapers.com/c3g/released/...ller_comic.png Comic PDF http://heroscapers.com/c3g/released/...oller_mini.png Mini PDF The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the War of Light set. Its model number and name are #009 / Controller Construct. _________________________________________________________________ Character Bio - After a small contingent of the meddling Controllers (A group of immortals related to the Oans and Zamarons) made a gambit to seize the power of the Orange Light, they were consumed by it. Now, these Constructs serve in Larfleeze's mockery of an Orange Lantern Corps, a reminder of what happens when you challenge Agent Orange. _________________________________________________________________ -Rulings and Clarifications-
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NAME = ORANGE CONSTRUCT
SECRET IDENTITY = CONTROLLER SPECIES = ENERGY UNIQUENESS = COMMON HERO CLASS = CONSTRUCT PERSONALITY = INSATIABLE SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5 LIFE = 1 MOVE = 4 RANGE = 1 ATTACK = 3 DEFENSE = 3 POINTS = 50 ORANGE CONSTRUCT AMBUSH Orange Construct Controllers do not start the game on the battlefield. After revealing an Order Marker on Orange Lantern's Army Card, you may immediately place up to 3 Orange Constructs with this special power in your army that are not on the battlefield and not destroyed on any empty spaces within 3 clear sight spaces of that Orange Lantern. For the rest of your turn, when attacking with a figure placed with this special power, add 1 automatic skull to whatever is rolled. If you no longer control any Orange Lanterns, destroy all Orange Construct Controllers you control. ATTENTION HOG If a figure adjacent to one or more figures you control with the Attention Hog special power attacks a friendly figure without it, the attacking figure subtracts 1 from its Attack number. SUPER STRENGTH FLYING |
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Don't know these guys. My first question is whether the first line of the first power refers to just these guys (the Controllers) or to all Orange Constructs in your army?
I also think 4 Attack + an auto-skull could be very potent, but they are common heroes, so maybe that's not enough to make them too much. Larfleeze isn't much of a force at the moment, so might be warranted. We'll see! |
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At the very start of the Agent Orange storyline, a small handful of them wander into Larfleeze's domain and try to screw with him. Doesn't go well. Quote:
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Quick question, thematically... I know we're using the Controller mini, but is this in effect really an Orange Construct (Controller) design, or more like a general-purpose Orange Construct that stands in for pretty much whichever character in Larfleeze's army?
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Groovy. Seems reasonable to me, but do we still want to brand it as a Controller in that case?
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I mean, if they're not Controllers, they probably shouldn't be Controllers ... ? This seems straightforward to me. :-)
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Just something simple and descriptive like Ambusher would probably work.
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My honest thinking is that they are Controllers, so why complicate things? If somebody doesn't immediately know what a Controller is (the majority of the population), that's what bios are for.
I'm not hugely resistant to a different name, but if we are looking for one, I think something that captures the villainous mook vibe makes sense. I like Minion. To me, the Orange Constructs are more "alive" than other Constructs, so I'd prefer something that implies a little personality over a name like Ambusher that simply presents them as a function. |
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The Controllers have like no personality or unique traits anyway, so I agree with Nobody here. Why call them something they're not? The mini is a Controller, and the design is generic because Controllers are generic.
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Without knowing what a Controller is it kind of works as a generic too, as their role is clearly to "control" the field. :2cents:
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Sounds good. I was under the impression that they weren't actually Controllers, but that figure was just being used. :shrug:
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Yeah, I'm cool with that. :up: Just wanted to raise the point.
I'm probably proxying with the Skeletal Maiden Horrorclix mini, since I have a few of those I'd love to have a reason to get on the battlefield. |
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Alright, been about 48 hours so I'd like to call a VOTE for Initial Playtesting.
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I'm getting about 65 on the calculator, in case you wondered. :-D
Yea for initial testing. |
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And I'll even run the checklists for Bats. :)
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I think the goal here should be that they're solid attackers on the "ambush" turn, but after that you're kinda expected to use them as tie-up while Larfleeze takes shots. I really still want to encourage him to come out and play instead of hiding in the SZ. I think reducing their move would actually help with that too. |
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This passes, btw.
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Taking a brief pause here to share with the class. I've run into 2 core problems here; 1) Controllers are a better value than Stolen Identities all things considered, so it's kinda hard to justify drafting the SIs when you can get 2 Controllers for the same cost. I want these guys to make the Oranges more viable as a whole, but I don't want the new guys to overshadow what I view as the "soul" of the faction. (Larfleeze+Stolen Identities) To that end, I think a power along the lines of this could really help; Quote:
2) Larfleeze+Livewire+Controllers is a good combo. Don't really have an easy solution here, so it may just have to be what it is. |
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I think it would make more thematic sense (as an "ambush" unit) to have them subtract from opponents' attack than add to your guys' defense.
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I'm suspecting stats might have to go even lower to keep that 50 point price tag. Hoping they don't drop too much more, but these guys still feel like an effective threat even at 3 attack dice. While we're at it, anyone have personality thoughts? I went with Corrupt cause that's what the SIs are, but I don't really know if we want to repeat a personality. Not a major issue, just something to think about. |
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That change works for me.
Going through the sortable index for personality: Aggressive, Cruel, Deadly, Destructive, Envious, Fearsome, Greedy, Insatiable, Opportunistic. |
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Don’t know these guys, but looks good. Fine with the proposed changes. Do you want them to protect Orange Lanterns also? Or just constructs?
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Didn't try them with Luthor, but I'm not really worried about that combo at all. |
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Looking good!
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I'd like to call a VOTE for Public Playtesting.
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Don't forget to link the initials. |
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This passes.
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C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM
NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Orange Construct (Controller) Army Test Map: Song of the Walrus Units: Larfleeze, Glomulus, Stolen Identity x1, Controller (50) x4 (800) VS Nightwing, Starfire, Raven, Miss Martian (800)
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___________________________________________________________ Army Test Map: Song of the Walrus Units: Larfleeze, Glomulus, Stolen Identity x1, Controller (50) x8 (1000) VS Fantastic 4 (1000)
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: Super fun. But it’s tricky to evaluate the Controller Constructs' balance. They felt really fun to play and the Orange Lanterns really feel like the whole corps like in Agent Orange. I like that you have to continually spawn more each turn to get their attack bonus. But they’re really weak defensively, and you can basically ignore them and just go after Larfleeze since taking him down kills the entire army too. I certainly miss the lockdown power! I didn’t get any use out of the Attention Hog power, but it could have come up if the Fan4 decided to attack the Stolen Identity. I’m not sure if I could have played Larfleeze better. Ideally he’d have a few Controllers as meat shields, but if you leave them there they don’t get the attack bonus, and you don’t want to be wasting turns with them without the attack bonus. So I could see a small boost somewhere (maybe letting Attention Hog apply to Orange Lanterns) if they feel a little weak in the next tests. |
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Thanks Archie!
My thing with the lockdown power was that when it's so easy to surround the enemy with Controllers, and they're so easy to kill, adding lockdown just seemed like overkill. I'm definitely super open to tweaks though, and 2 losses tell me that being overpowered isn't something to be too worried about. I'm gonna have a quick think about what to do next. |
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That'd be helpful for sure. :up: Anything to keep Larfleeze alive a little bit longer. I can't imagine it being too powerful since it doesn't stack.
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Updated with that change. :up:
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C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM
NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: ORANGE CONSTRUCT (CONTROLLER) Army Test Map: Custom Units: Larfleeze (360), Glomulus (140), Construct Controllers (x6) (300), Construct Stolen Identity (x2) (200) (1,000) vs Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) (350), Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner) (300), Green Construct Decoy (x2) (100), Green Construct Mech (120), Green Construct (Helicopter Gunship) (130) (1,000)
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___________________________________________________________ Army TestMap: Custom Units: Larfleeze (360), Glomulus (140), Construct Controllers (x8) (400), Construct Stolen Identity (x1) (100) (1,000) vs Fantastic Four (1,000)
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