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The C3G Book of Captain America
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Re: The Book of Captain America - Design
I updated the wording on Avengers Assemble to make it clearer that the power does not affect Cap (you don't place the marker on him).
The Shield power I wouldn't tweak without testing results ...
I updated the wording on Avengers Assemble to make it clearer that the power does not affect Cap (you don't place the marker on him).
The Shield power I wouldn't tweak without testing results ...
Re: The Book of Captain America - Design
I think we need that sight restriction for sure though. As is, the OP suggests that Cap trains 5 people before the fight and they will have attack and defense bonuses as long as he is active, but I like the theme better if they are boosted the same way but must also be receiving direct instruction from him by being in proximity of him as well. Also, this would allow the opposing player to move figures around and hopefully counter Cap's attempts to assemble and boost. I think this change is really important.
I am fine with testing the shield and current defense as is, but I think we all know that a Cap with a defense of 4 and life of 5 is gonna get owned by special attacks, and there are so many of them now.... I guess I don't understand why you want him to have such a major (swingy) weakness to special attacks.
I think the Shield working against all attacks is MUCH more thematic as well. It is a specially made shield designed from alien alloy to stop just about every kind of attack.
I think we need that sight restriction for sure though. As is, the OP suggests that Cap trains 5 people before the fight and they will have attack and defense bonuses as long as he is active, but I like the theme better if they are boosted the same way but must also be receiving direct instruction from him by being in proximity of him as well. Also, this would allow the opposing player to move figures around and hopefully counter Cap's attempts to assemble and boost. I think this change is really important.
I am fine with testing the shield and current defense as is, but I think we all know that a Cap with a defense of 4 and life of 5 is gonna get owned by special attacks, and there are so many of them now.... I guess I don't understand why you want him to have such a major (swingy) weakness to special attacks.
I think the Shield working against all attacks is MUCH more thematic as well. It is a specially made shield designed from alien alloy to stop just about every kind of attack.
Re: The Book of Captain America - Design
VIBRANIUM ALLOY SHIELD
Whenrolling defense dice defending against a normal attack from a non-adjacent figure, Captain America always adds two automatic shields to whatever is rolled. When rolling defense dice defending against a normal attack from an adjacent figure, Captain America always adds one automatic shield to whatever is rolled.
VIBRANIUM ALLOY SHIELD
When
Re: The Book of Captain America - Design
VIBRANIUM ALLOY SHIELD
When defending against a normal attack from a non-adjacent figure, Captain America always adds two automatic shields to whatever is rolled. When defending against a special attack or a normal attack from an adjacent figure, Captain America always adds one automatic shield to whatever is rolled.
To make him less swingy against Special Attacks.
VIBRANIUM ALLOY SHIELD
When defending against a normal attack from a non-adjacent figure, Captain America always adds two automatic shields to whatever is rolled. When defending against a special attack or a normal attack from an adjacent figure, Captain America always adds one automatic shield to whatever is rolled.
To make him less swingy against Special Attacks.
Re: The Book of Captain America - Design
That is a big jump in the evolution of the power as opposed to the subtle change of the power in the OP. I think with your suggestion, it becomes difficult to remember and after checking the type of attack, checking the range, checking how many auto shields, etc, the theme is likely lost and traded in for textual mechanics.
Re: The Book of Captain America - Design
I see absolutely no reason why we couldn't or wouldn't want to go in this direction:
VIBRANIUM ALLOY SHIELD
When rolling defense dice against a non-adjacent attack, Captain America always adds two automatic shields to whatever is rolled. When rolling defense dice against an adjacent attack, Captain America always adds one automatic shield to whatever is rolled.
I see absolutely no reason why we couldn't or wouldn't want to go in this direction:
VIBRANIUM ALLOY SHIELD
When rolling defense dice against a non-adjacent attack, Captain America always adds two automatic shields to whatever is rolled. When rolling defense dice against an adjacent attack, Captain America always adds one automatic shield to whatever is rolled.
Re: The Book of Captain America - Design
If you aren't familiar with just how special Cap's shield is, read this - Cap's Shield, especially what Thor says about it.
If you aren't familiar with just how special Cap's shield is, read this - Cap's Shield, especially what Thor says about it.
Re: The Book of Captain America - Design
Good change. I'll update the OP.
He doesn't currently get the Avenger marker, nor was he ever intended to. Are others in favor of bumping his attack to 6? I'm worried with his leadership power and the changes being suggested around here that we're going to be looking at 300 point Cap ...
I really wanted to avoid the added complexity of an aura, but f-it, I'll make the change to the OP.
Again, with the leadership power being fairly robust, I liked the idea of giving him a clear weakness and counter, but f-it, I'll make the change to the OP.
Good change. I'll update the OP.
He doesn't currently get the Avenger marker, nor was he ever intended to. Are others in favor of bumping his attack to 6? I'm worried with his leadership power and the changes being suggested around here that we're going to be looking at 300 point Cap ...
I really wanted to avoid the added complexity of an aura, but f-it, I'll make the change to the OP.
Again, with the leadership power being fairly robust, I liked the idea of giving him a clear weakness and counter, but f-it, I'll make the change to the OP.
Re: The Book of Captain America - Design
That's awesome!
Thanks for the link Spidey.
That's awesome!
Thanks for the link Spidey.
Re: The Book of Captain America - Design
OP updated with changes to the shield power to work against normal attacks and to include consistent wording, changes to the Avengers assemble power to include a 5 clear sight spaces restriction, an increase of his attack to 6, and an increase in his projected cost.
OP updated with changes to the shield power to work against normal attacks and to include consistent wording, changes to the Avengers assemble power to include a 5 clear sight spaces restriction, an increase of his attack to 6, and an increase in his projected cost.
Re: The Book of Captain America - Design
I liked his attack as it was, at 5. Other than that, I think he's ready for ERB.
I liked his attack as it was, at 5. Other than that, I think he's ready for ERB.
Re: The Book of Captain America - Design
OP looks awesome to me. I have been looking at some of our designs today and yesterday, and I think the thing that concerns me most about his elevated cost, is NOT his shield throw or defense, it is his avenger boost. Having a real limitation on that in terms of OM and sight range, will really help keep it in check while also making sure he is present on the battlefield and in the action. Good changes all around. I can't wait to see some playtesting done.
OP looks awesome to me. I have been looking at some of our designs today and yesterday, and I think the thing that concerns me most about his elevated cost, is NOT his shield throw or defense, it is his avenger boost. Having a real limitation on that in terms of OM and sight range, will really help keep it in check while also making sure he is present on the battlefield and in the action. Good changes all around. I can't wait to see some playtesting done.
Re: The Book of Captain America - Design
I might've given you a sneak peek where I had him at 6 attack, but the original version I posted in this thread had him at 5.
That said, GPand Griff both in favor of 6 attack and Spidey in favor of 5. Anyone else?
Edit: Make that Griff neutral.
I might've given you a sneak peek where I had him at 6 attack, but the original version I posted in this thread had him at 5.
That said, GP
Edit: Make that Griff neutral.
Re: The Book of Captain America - Design
Dude, I gotta stop drinking, lol. I knew that, I read Sherm's comment and went to research it cause I thought he was wrong. I remembered it being Vibranium and Adamantium, but the link I posted straightened me out.He's been through ERB and the responses were posted a few pages back.
That's 1 and 1 for his attack thus far. Any other commenters?
Re: The Book of Captain America - Design
That's two for an attack of 6, one for an attack of 5, and one neutral.
That's two for an attack of 6, one for an attack of 5, and one neutral.
Re: The Book of Captain America - Design
I'm not sure what the point in bolding that was ... I saw it already ... I'm focusing on changes I'm considering making prior to playtesting at this point. We've already discussed the possibility of making the power work that way but instead went with wording that clearly precluded it.
I'm not sure what the point in bolding that was ... I saw it already ... I'm focusing on changes I'm considering making prior to playtesting at this point. We've already discussed the possibility of making the power work that way but instead went with wording that clearly precluded it.
Re: The Book of Captain America - Design
OK, let me say this. Cap and Skull - both Super-soldiers. Cap and Skull - both well-trained soldiers. Differences - Cap has a shield (a special, indestructible, can-be-used-as-a-weapon, one-of-a-kind shield) and Skull has guns, normal German issue guns. They should be really similar other than that difference. I like that Cap can use his Shield vs either Skull's normal or his Special Attack. That's my reasoning.
OK, let me say this. Cap and Skull - both Super-soldiers. Cap and Skull - both well-trained soldiers. Differences - Cap has a shield (a special, indestructible, can-be-used-as-a-weapon, one-of-a-kind shield) and Skull has guns, normal German issue guns. They should be really similar other than that difference. I like that Cap can use his Shield vs either Skull's normal or his Special Attack. That's my reasoning.