The Book of Zauriel

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Vote for Playtesting

You may want to PM him. How much time has expired since the proposal anyways?

27 hours.

 

[Hahma]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Vote for Playtesting

Sorry, I just saw this.

YEA

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Vote for Playtesting

This passes to playtesting!

 

[Margloth]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Vote for Playtesting

Some clouds for the mini pic:

A

B

C

 

[Griffin]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Vote for Playtesting

Spin it upside down, and I love option A. Thanks MamaGoth.

 

[Scapemage]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Playtesting Phase

I am loving A as well.

 

[Margloth]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Playtesting Phase

I've got Z all tested, I'll post the results sometime this afternoon or this evening.

He can be a real boss, but he has counters.

 

[Scapemage]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Playtesting Phase

I've got Z all tested, I'll post the results sometime this afternoon or this evening.

He can be a real boss, but he has counters.

Thanks! I'll be testing here in just a few minutes.

I'm glad to see him be very good while still having counters. That makes people want to play him, but he's still fun to play against because he isn't impossible to take down.

 

[Scapemage]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Playtesting Phase

Here's my test. He's looking good at 320. He seems powerful, but so many figures have ways of keeping him in check that he turns out balanced.

C3G PLAY TEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Zauriel

- THEME TEST/ Check to see if there are any powers or stats on the test unit card that does not accurately reflect the theme or likeness of what the character would and could do. Also consider destructible objects, and whether or not this characters powers should affect them.
Pass.

- MIRROR TEST/ Check to see if the unit were played against itself, if there would be any loops that would upset the balance of the Game.
Pass. Of course they would just use Angelic Scream the whole time…

- BONDING TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing Bonding abilities to make sure there are no continual Bonding possibilities that do not stop appropriately or do not stop at all. This is to prevent loops in Bonding.
Pass.

- SYNERGIES TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing synergies to make sure there are no factors that could break the game by making any unit to powerful or too weak.
Pass.

- POWER CHECK/ Consider the test unit and all existing units and all glyphs to compare to and check for any powers that could be over amplified and break the game. Each power must define when it takes place, who or what it affects, and What are the stipulations on the power if there are any.
Pass.

- FUN TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play.
Pass. Absolutely! I’m very pleased with how he is turning out.

- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play against.
Pass. He’s very good, but has counters, so he’s still fun to play against.

- DRAFTING TEST/ Consider whether or not this design is worth drafting.
Pass. His Flaming Sword is enough influence to draft him in most cases.

- USAGE TEST/ Consider whether or not all of the powers on this card were used or at least usable.
Pass. Angelic Scream still gets use, even if your opponent isn’t playing any Angels or Symbiotes.

- STRATEGY TEST/ Consider whether or not the design offers any real strategy or interesting tactics to the overall game.
Pass.


- Army Test/ Does it pass, Yes or No? What should be the unit's point value? Give a brief summary. Pass at 320. Zauriel did a hefty amount of damage, while still getting defeated without excessive strain. Luke Cage is a great counter for Zauriel’s Holy Sword of Flame.
Map: Flash Fire
Units: Zauriel, Plastic Man, Deathstroke, and Mole Man (845) vs. Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Spider-Man (C3G), and Human Torch (Jim Hammond) (850)

Spoiler Alert!

Plastic Man starts things off by moving, as do Iron Fist and Luke Cage. Deathstroke moves, as does Human Torch, and Luke, engaging Plastic Man. Zauriel engages Luke and attacks, his Sword buffing his attack greatly, but Luke takes just one wound due to Impenetrable Skin. Iron Fist engages Zauriel but misses, and Luke also misses to end the round. Fist wounds Zauriel, and Luke misses. Deathstroke moves and wounds Torch twice, just as Fist slams Zauriel for 3 wounds. Zauriel wounds Fist twice with his Sword, and Zauriel takes another wound from Fist. Zauriel is infuriated and kills Iron Fist, ending the round. Zauriel wounds Luke once, annoyed by he convienence of Impenetrable Skin. Torch wounds Deathstroke with Fireball, and Deathstroke wounds Torch, healing himself. Torch and Luke both miss, and Deathstroke kills Torch. Spider-Man is too far away from Luke to get activated, so Luke simply misses Zauriel to end the round. Zauriel wounds Luke just once, and Spider-Man moves. Zauriel wounds Luke again, and Spider-Man misses Zauriel, as does Luke. Deathstroke comes to the rescue, using Quick Shot to kill Luke. Zauriel attacks Spider-Man in the new round, but he dodges and runs with Web Swing. Spidey returns to the engagement to kill Zauriel, and Deathstroke misses. Spidey faces his fears and attacks Deathstroke, who blocks and returns 2 wounds with Calculated Defense. Deathstroke misses, and Spidey takes another wound from Calculated Defense. Next round, Deathstroke takes a wound, but kills Spidey with Calculated Defense for the win.

Win: Team 1: Deathstroke w/ 1 wound, Plastic Man, and Mole Man.

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- Army Test/ Does it pass, Yes or No? What should be the unit's point value? Give a brief summary. Pass at 320. The battle was extremely close. Zauriel has plenty of potential to one-hit many heroes under 250 points, but he has enough counters, like damage-avoiding abilities, to keep him in check.
Map: Flash Fire
Units: Zauriel, Scarecrow, and Doctor Light (650) vs. Daredevil, Batman (Bruce Wayne), Robin (Tim Drake), and Venom (Official) (650).

Spoiler Alert!

Doctor Light moves to begin the game. Venom and Robin move, and Doctor Light blasts Venom for 3 wounds. Venom wounds Light twice, and Robin engages. Zauriel flies behind the ruin and uses Angelic Scream, wounding only Venom once. Light takes 2 more wounds from Venom, and the round ends. Daredevil moves, and Robin misses Light. Scarecrow moves and places the Glyph of Fear Gas. Daredevil moves along the road to attack Scarecrow, getting extremely lucky and killing him in one shot. Robin misses Light, and Zauriel uses Angelic Scream. With it he kills Venom, wounds Robin twice, and allows Daredevil to engage with Radar Sense. Batman moves, killing Doctor Light, and Robin engages Zauriel. Zauriel wounds Robin to end the round, and the Fear Gas disappears. Zauriel kills Robin with his Sword, and Daredevil wounds Zauriel. Zauriel misses due to Radar Sense, and Batman engages. Zauriel gets hit from Evasive Strike, and Daredevil misses to end the round. Both Batman and Zauriel miss, as does Daredevil. Zauriel aces his roll (with a few blanks) and kills Batman in one hit. Daredevil wounds Zauriel, who wounds Daredevil twice. Next round Daredevil gets wounded again, and he fails to hit Zauriel. Daredevil wounds Zauriel after dodging an attack, and after dodging another, Daredevil kills Zauriel to win the game.

Win: Team 2: Daredevil w/ 3 wounds.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Playtesting Phase

So far so good at 320!

 

[Margloth]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Playtesting Phase

Your tests look similar to mine, Scape. He hits hard (he only rolled less than 4 skulls once for me in one game), but he still has only 1 attack and figures like Luke, Magical characters, and characters who can evade attacks can negate that.

Surprisingly, he also has trouble with squads (ranged ones, at least). Angelic Scream can affect a lot of figures, but I'd say Batman has a better chance of taking out squaddies consistently.

 

[Margloth]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Playtesting Phase

Sorry, I got home last night, got caught up in some stuff, and then passed out early. But here's my results.

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Zauriel

- THEME TEST/ Check to see if there are any powers or stats on the test unit card that does not accurately reflect the theme or likeness of what the character would and could do. Also consider destructible objects, and whether or not this characters powers should affect them.
PASS

- MIRROR TEST/ Check to see if the unit were played against itself, if there would be any loops that would upset the balance of the Game.
Pass

- BONDING TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing Bonding abilities to make sure there are no continual Bonding possibilities that do not stop appropriately or do not stop at all. This is to prevent loops in Bonding.
Pass

- SYNERGIES TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing synergies to make sure there are no factors that could break the game by making any unit to powerful or too weak.
Pass

- POWER CHECK/ Consider the test unit and all existing units and all glyphs to compare to and check for any powers that could be over amplified and break the game. Each power must define when it takes place, who or what it affects, and What are the stipulations on the power if there are any.
Pass

- FUN TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play.
Pass

- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play against.
Pass

- DRAFTING TEST/ Consider whether or not this design is worth drafting.
Pass

- USAGE TEST/ Consider whether or not all of the powers on this card were used or at least usable.
Pass

- STRATEGY TEST/ Consider whether or not the design offers any real strategy or interesting tactics to the overall game.
Pass

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 320-340 on this game. He drained all of Hal Jordan's batteries (although Hal was played very conservatively, then got a 3-wound hit on Superman before going down. A good show.
- Give a brief overview. One-on-one, Zauriel is the man. He hits hard, engages quickly, and has decent staying power.
Map: X Marks the Spot
Units: Zauriel, Dr. Strange, Darkseid (1000) vs. Superman, Hal Jordan, Battlesuit Lex (1030)

Spoiler Alert!

Round 1: Initiative Zauriel.
Zauriel heads out. Hal takes off to meet him and fires 3 wounds into him. Zauriel gives chase and forces Hal to burn a marker with a 2 skull attack converted to 4 by Holy Sword of Flame. Hal fires ineffectively at Z again. Z again gets a big attack with HSoF, forcing another burn of Hal's power. Hal whiffs, but hits his Charge roll and manages a wound on Z.
Round 2: Initiative Zauriel.
Zauriel burns another marker off Hal. Hal fires back ineffectively, then gets another Charge turn, but again fails to harm Z. Zauriel burns out the last of Hal's power. Superman punches a 5th wound into Zauriel. Zauriel's Holy Sword cuts deep into the Man of Steel, inflicting 3 wounds on the Champion. Supes finishes Zauriel.
Round 3: Initiative Zauriel.
Darkseid moves out. Supes engages him and slaps a wound on him. Darkseid swings back, but Man Of Steel absorbs the blow. Supes fails a hit on Darkseid. Uxas puts another wound on Supes. Supes fails to return the favor.
Round 4: Initiative Zauriel.
Darkseid fails to break Supes' defense. Supes hits Darkseid for 3 wounds. Uxas unleashes a huge punch on Supes, finishing him, and taking OMs 2&3 with him. Darkseid uses Omega Effect to put a wound on Hal.
Round 5: Initiative Superman.
Lex moves forward and blasts a wound into Darkseid. Uxas fires back with the Omega Effect, putting 2 wounds on Lex. Hal rushes Darkseid to kamikaze his special, but with only 2 attack can do little against the New God. Uxas crushes Hal like a gnat. Lex takes height and fires at Uxas, but his attack does little good. Darkseid engages Lex and tears his armor apart before flinging Lex's body off the rooftop like garbage.

Summary: Darkseid with 4 wounds, full health Dr. Strange remain.

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? Felt pretty far below 320 here, but was outmatched by 'weaker' opponents. This is not to say he isn't worth 320, he was just outdrafted here. He suffers like all single attack heavy hitters.
- Give a brief overview. All of Zauriel's striking power doesn't matter if he can't land the blow. Batman got a couple of Evasive strikes, and that combined with the 5/4 one-two punch of Batman/Robin attacks every turn slowly whittled Z down. Of course, the fact that beat cops were nearby to soak up all that attack potential was frustrating for Z as well. Also, Angelic Scream can hit a lot of squaddies... but if you whiff (not hard to do) it really feels like a waste of an OM. I'd say Batarang will more reliably bring down squaddies than AS (in case anybody was worried about it).
Map: X Marks the Spot
Units: Zauriel, Deathstroke (600) vs. Batman, Robin, Beat Cops x2, Gordon, Alfred (600)

Spoiler Alert!

Round 1: Initiative Zauriel.
Z heads out. Gordy moves up, fires ineffectively at Zauriel, and calls for backup. Zauriel swoops in and screams, but whiffs. Batman attacks Z to no effect, followed by Robin who likewise can't touch the angel. Zauriel hits Bruce for a wound. Bruce and Tim manage 2 wounds on Zauriel.

Round 2: Initiative Zauriel.
Zauriel screams, taking out a single Beat Cop. Bruce and Tim again fail to touch Z. Z attacks Batman and gets Evasive Striked. Batman slaps Z for another wound. Zauriel rolls a massive attack against Bats, but gets E-Striked again. Bruce swings, Zauriel dodges... right into a kick from Tim, putting him down and out.

Round 3: Initiative Zauriel.
Deathstroke moves out. Gordy takes height and fires at Wilson, who uses Calculated Defense... resulting in both figures taking a single wound before Gordy calls for backup. Deathstroke whizzes by the cops, killing one with a Quick Shot before sprinting towards Bruce and Tim. Bruce and Tim attack Deathstroke, who calculatingly defends... resulting in 2 wounds for Deathstroke, 1 for Bruce, and 2 for Tim. Deathstroke attacks Tim with a quickshot that goes nowhere. Bruce attacks Deathstroke, and inflicts a wound... but falls to his Calculated defense. Tim inflicts 2 wounds on Wilson.

Round 4: Initiative Vigilantes.
Alfred extracts Robin, then moves up to cover with his shotgun, but misses the Mercenary. Deathstroke engages him and gives him 2 wounds. Robin attacks Deathstroke, and with Calculated Defense they each take a wound. Deathstroke kills Robin, taking OM 3 with him, then takes out Alfred.

Round 5: Initiative Vigilantes.
Gordy fires at Deathstroke and pays for it with Calculated defense, getting killed in the process. The Cops surround Wilson and open fire... 2 go down to Calc Defense, but Wilson had gotten cocky... the 3rd Cop fires and Wilson's 5 defense fail to block the shot. Deathstroke clutches his chest and falls to his knees before the officer.

Summary: 3 Beat Cops remain.

 

[Scapemage]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Playtesting Phase

I think we're good on testing here. Thanks Margloth! he's looking like 320 to me. Let's let the playtests sink in for 24 hours before we move on though.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Playtesting Phase

Yeah, he looks like he's worth paying 320 for at least from those tests. His army put the whoop on an army costing 30 points more in the first test and then with even armies his team lost a close one (a squad of Beat Cops isn't much of a margin). Taking the other tests into account, I'd happily vote for 320 moving forward.

 

[quozl]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Playtesting Phase

Anyone planning on proposing a vote for this guy?

 

[Griffin]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Playtesting Phase

I am waiting for Scape to propose we move forward at 320.

 

[Scapemage]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Playtesting Phase

Anyone planning on proposing a vote for this guy?

I was letting the playtests sit for a while before we moved on, in case any concerns came up.

I propose we move Zauriel to Final Editing at 320 points.

 

[tcglkn]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Playtesting Phase

Yea

 

[Griffin]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Playtesting Phase

Yea

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Playtesting Phase

yea.

 

[johnny139]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Playtesting Phase

It's interesting that, once again, the Public Design released lines up perfectly with the Wave slated for the end of the month - a pack of Justice League characters, a member of the Justice League. Well timed.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Playtesting Phase

Well JLA, Batman, and Mutants are all pretty broad groups. I'd be more impressed if you guys lined up something more niche, like members of the Outsiders, or Hulk foes or something like that.

 

[Hahma]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Playtesting Phase

yea

 

[A3n]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Playtesting Phase

Yea

 

[Good Pig]

Re: The Book of Zauriel - Vote for Final Editing

Yea