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The Book of Zauriel
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Scapemage
From less than zero to Hero!
Re: The Book of Zauriel - Design Phase
I'd like to keep the class as Guardian. Sure, he may look a bit savage, but he is in essence a guardian angel.
Demons are not penetrated specifically by the Sonic Flash, so I see no reason to add that in with Angels and Symbiotes.
There has been quite some talk on changes on Flaming Sword. After some thought, I agree with you guys here on this one. However, with attack 6, I think only allowing it to work if Zauriel rolls at least one legitimate skull should be in place. Zauriel is already creeping into the 300s, I didn't design him thinking he'd go over 350. He can hit Superman, but he definitely isn't on par with him.
I'd like to keep the class as Guardian. Sure, he may look a bit savage, but he is in essence a guardian angel.
Demons are not penetrated specifically by the Sonic Flash, so I see no reason to add that in with Angels and Symbiotes.
Re: The Book of Zauriel - Design Phase
I think we need to decide what the Flaming Sword affects and doesn't affect, because we have way too many suggestions for it right now.
That said, I think I find the Angels and Demons dynamic more interesting, so I think I'd rather see it have a line about Demons than anything about lava resistance or fire weakness. Here's my thematic justification - it's an Angelic sword with holy flames, not normal flames. So lava resistance shouldn't save you, and fear of fire wouldn't necessarily make it strike you any worse. I think just about everyone's going to be terrified of an Angel holding a flaming sword, pathological fear of fire or not. As for physical weaknesses to fire again, it's a mystical flame, not one that follows our laws of physics.
So, for my
give me effectiveness against Demons, but leave off the rest.
I think we need to decide what the Flaming Sword affects and doesn't affect, because we have way too many suggestions for it right now.
That said, I think I find the Angels and Demons dynamic more interesting, so I think I'd rather see it have a line about Demons than anything about lava resistance or fire weakness. Here's my thematic justification - it's an Angelic sword with holy flames, not normal flames. So lava resistance shouldn't save you, and fear of fire wouldn't necessarily make it strike you any worse. I think just about everyone's going to be terrified of an Angel holding a flaming sword, pathological fear of fire or not. As for physical weaknesses to fire again, it's a mystical flame, not one that follows our laws of physics.
So, for my
give me effectiveness against Demons, but leave off the rest.
Re: The Book of Zauriel - Design Phase
Don't put it off that long. Those were good designs.
And, though I don't know when it'll happen (might be a couple years still!) I have some naaaaasty future plans for demons.
Don't put it off that long.
Those were good designs.
Re: The Book of Zauriel - Design Phase
Well, we'll see how quickly I can finish my planned 2012 stuff and that other wave I started and those three SSEs for Marvel that feel like "must haves."
And, though I don't know when it'll happen (might be a couple years still!) I have some naaaaasty future plans for demons.
Don't put it off that long.
Well, we'll see how quickly I can finish my planned 2012 stuff and that other wave I started and those three SSEs for Marvel that feel like "must haves."
johnny139
Never CoN a CoN man
Re: The Book of Zauriel - Design Phase
To quote Wiki:
Reading that, I'm starting to like the "blanks-as-wounds" even more - when the sword ITSELF doesn't do damage, Zauriel's will cuts through the very fabric of the opponent.
Demons, Undead, any sort of "unnatural" beings could easily take extra hits from it.
To quote Wiki:
Reading that, I'm starting to like the "blanks-as-wounds" even more - when the sword ITSELF doesn't do damage, Zauriel's will cuts through the very fabric of the opponent.
Demons, Undead, any sort of "unnatural" beings could easily take extra hits from it.
Good Pig
Well-known member
Re: The Book of Zauriel - Design Phase
Hmm... some interesting take aways from the wiki. Sounds like this sword can do quite a lot. Could go any number of directions with the mechanics based on the themes in it.
I think it would really help to add the word 'Holy' to the power title too.
Hmm... some interesting take aways from the wiki. Sounds like this sword can do quite a lot. Could go any number of directions with the mechanics based on the themes in it.
I think it would really help to add the word 'Holy' to the power title too.
Re: The Book of Zauriel - Design Phase
Don't most if not all demons in the comics have Lava Resistance?
Don't most if not all demons in the comics have Lava Resistance?
Re: The Book of Zauriel - Design Phase
Yes, but Griff's suggestion would've made it weaker against figures with Lava Resistance, not stronger.
Yes, but Griff's suggestion would've made it weaker against figures with Lava Resistance, not stronger.
Scapemage
From less than zero to Hero!
Re: The Book of Zauriel - Design Phase
Should Flaming Sword, counting all blanks as auto-wounds, require at least 1 skull to be rolled?
My thoughts here are to make all blanks count as wounds. Zauriel can definitely cut through Magical Defense without a problem. We sure can add Undead and Demon weakness, as holy, obviously, severely weakens them. If we are going to count all blanks as wounds however, I'm still thinking that he should have to roll as least 1 skull for it to work. Zauriel currently will have strengths against 4 types of units, yet is still highly playable without facing any of them. I like it.
Should Flaming Sword, counting all blanks as auto-wounds, require at least 1 skull to be rolled?
Scapemage
From less than zero to Hero!
Re: The Book of Zauriel - Design Phase
FYI, Sword of Holy Flame would look something like this:
When attacking with Zauriel's normal attack, if at least one skull is rolled, all blanks rolled count as unblockable hits on the defending figure. Demons and Undead roll 2 less defense dice when attacked by Zauriel's normal attack.
2 less defense dice for Demons and Undead seems right.
FYI, Sword of Holy Flame would look something like this:
When attacking with Zauriel's normal attack, if at least one skull is rolled, all blanks rolled count as unblockable hits on the defending figure. Demons and Undead roll 2 less defense dice when attacked by Zauriel's normal attack.
2 less defense dice for Demons and Undead seems right.
Good Pig
Well-known member
Re: The Book of Zauriel - Design Phase
Love the name! I'd rather see just one mechanic going on with the attack and not 2 separate ones.
Regular attack of 6 maybe?
SWORD OF HOLY FLAME
When attacking a Demon or Undead figure with Zauriel's normal attack, if at least one skull is rolled, all blanks rolled count as unblockable hits on the defending figure.
Love the name! I'd rather see just one mechanic going on with the attack and not 2 separate ones.
Regular attack of 6 maybe?
SWORD OF HOLY FLAME
When attacking a Demon or Undead figure with Zauriel's normal attack, if at least one skull is rolled, all blanks rolled count as unblockable hits on the defending figure.
Scapemage
From less than zero to Hero!
Re: The Book of Zauriel - Design Phase
Wait a second...maybe making this a special attack?
EDIT: His base attack for this would be 5 or 6.
That ruins the point however because only Demons and Undead are affected. What I think myself and a couple others were looking for is counting blanks as unblockable hits while still having Demons and Undead suffer more from it.
Wait a second...maybe making this a special attack?
EDIT: His base attack for this would be 5 or 6.
Re: The Book of Zauriel - Design Phase
I think I'd rather see just this:
When attacking with Zauriel's normal attack, if at least one skull is rolled, all blanks rolled count as unblockable hits on the defending figure.
Than make the power super niche against just Demons and Undead.
I think I'd rather see just this:
When attacking with Zauriel's normal attack, if at least one skull is rolled, all blanks rolled count as unblockable hits on the defending figure.
Than make the power super niche against just Demons and Undead.
Margloth
More Interesting Than He Actually Is
Re: The Book of Zauriel - Design Phase
Or, if we really wanted to keep the Demons aspect:
When attacking with Zauriel's normal attack, if at least 1 skull is rolled or the defending figure is a Demon, all blanks rolled count as immediate unblockable hits on the defending figure.
Somewhat niche, as with 5-6 attack dice you're probably always gonna get the skull anyway... but essentially he can't whiff against a demon. I also added the word immediate to clear up any timing issues... although it probably isn't needed.
Or, if we really wanted to keep the Demons aspect:
When attacking with Zauriel's normal attack, if at least 1 skull is rolled or the defending figure is a Demon, all blanks rolled count as immediate unblockable hits on the defending figure.
Somewhat niche, as with 5-6 attack dice you're probably always gonna get the skull anyway... but essentially he can't whiff against a demon. I also added the word immediate to clear up any timing issues... although it probably isn't needed.