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The Book of Venom

Erm... I have I question about Venom and Spidey. I was playing with venom and attacked him with a special attack. Can he use his spider sense against special attacks or can he not? I'm sorry if I should have started a new thread for this.

You asked this question in exactly the right place, that's what the Books are for.

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There is no limitation on Spider Sense indicating that it cannot be used when being attacked with a Special Attack, therefore it is perfectly legal to use it when your opponent uses a Special Attack.
 
Thanks. The only reason I was unsure about it is because special attacks are unaffected by modifiers, and I wasn't sure whether this counted.
 
Thanks. The only reason I was unsure about it is because special attacks are unaffected by modifiers, and I wasn't sure whether this counted.
Special Attacks receive no bonuses, but those defending against them do. :thumbsup:
 
I don't know about other peoples thoughts, but isn't Venom better statwise and cheaper than Spidey? Which would you rather, +2 Attack Dice , or +15% for Spidey Sense. I'm taking +2 attack dice. I think they should be the same points, or Venom should be more.
 
I don't know about other peoples thoughts, but isn't Venom better statwise and cheaper than Spidey? Which would you rather, +2 Attack Dice , or +15% for Spidey Sense. I'm taking +2 attack dice. I think they should be the same points, or Venom should be more.

It's one of the things that makes the Heroscape system so versatile - the value of a figure's points can manifest in so many ways. It's not so simple to say that two figures with the same point cost should have the same stats. You as the player have to decide if you want to be more aggressive offensively, or if you'd prefer to have a better survivability.
 
Yeah, I thought that either Venom was undercosted or Spidey was overcosted when Marvelscape first came out, but I've found that that extra 15% chance for Spidey Sense is pretty useful. Is it enough to compensate Spidey for having two fewer attack dice? I dunno, but it's closer than I used to think. I now think Venom could be costed at 160 points (the same as Spidey) and still be worth playing.

Oh, and anyone ever notice how Spidey's power is called Spidey-Sense and Venom's is called Spider-Sense? Subtle but cool.
 
Erm... I have I question about Venom and Spidey. I was playing with venom and attacked him with a special attack. Can he use his spider sense against special attacks or can he not? I'm sorry if I should have started a new thread for this.

You asked this question in exactly the right place, that's what the Books are for.

B18D4F58-D56F-E112-465290D392665FB8.jpg


There is no limitation on Spider Sense indicating that it cannot be used when being attacked with a Special Attack, therefore it is perfectly legal to use it when your opponent uses a Special Attack.

Does Paralyzing Stare negate Spiderman/Venom's Spidey/Spider Sense? There was a debate over it last game we had. The way I read it is that if Spiderman is affected he still gets to roll the D20 for his skill but if he fails no defence dice. A few others in the group think ALL Spiderman's defences are negated when paralyzed... and in a way it kinda makes sense.... How could he slip away when paralyzed? Anyways just curious to see what everyone here thinks :smile:
 
Does Paralyzing Stare negate Spiderman/Venom's Spidey/Spider Sense? There was a debate over it last game we had. The way I read it is that if Spiderman is affected he still gets to roll the D20 for his skill but if he fails no defence dice. A few others in the group think ALL Spiderman's defences are negated when paralyzed... and in a way it kinda makes sense.... How could he slip away when paralyzed? Anyways just curious to see what everyone here thinks :smile:

Hmm... can't find where this was discussed before, though I THINK it has been (for other units)... From what I recall, you're right (though it might not necessarily make "sense"). The d20 isn't a "defense die" and so gets to be rolled.
 
Does Paralyzing Stare negate Spiderman/Venom's Spidey/Spider Sense? There was a debate over it last game we had. The way I read it is that if Spiderman is affected he still gets to roll the D20 for his skill but if he fails no defence dice. A few others in the group think ALL Spiderman's defences are negated when paralyzed... and in a way it kinda makes sense.... How could he slip away when paralyzed? Anyways just curious to see what everyone here thinks :smile:

Hmm... can't find where this was discussed before, though I THINK it has been (for other units)... From what I recall, you're right (though it might not necessarily make "sense"). The d20 isn't a "defense die" and so gets to be rolled.

That's correct. "Defense dice" refer only to the combat dice rolled for defense that you use to count shields. Spider-Sense is a Special Power - it actually has nothing to do with Defense dice, so it is not affected by Paralyzing Stare (or any other ability that affects Defense dice, like Whip 12).
 
Also one more question that has come up due to spider sense. If the Retchets of Bogdan roll all skulls against Venom is he destroyed immediately or does he get a crack at spider sense? From looking at the card I'd say yes he gets to roll the D-20 but if he fails he is toast. My friend just got the Retchets and I like to use Venom so I can picture another debate in the future... why not snub it out beforehand? The best way is advice from fellow heroscapers... so all can see ;)
 
The situation is the same as when the Rechets attack Isamu or any other figure with Vanish or Disappearing Ninja, since those powers are what Spider-Sense duplicates. The answer is that Spider-Man and Venom do not get to roll for their Spider-Sense ability if the Rechets' Lethal Sting activates. This makes the Rechets just about the ideal counterdrafts to any high-priced, small or medium heroes like superheroes.

Here's the post from The Guru that originally resolved this question.
 
I am writing the Venom Strategy guide now, and I am going to assume that Spider/Spidey sense do not activate, as per the Ninjas.
 
No assuming necessary. That link from Sherman Davies provided an official answer. Spider-Sense works exactly the same way as Disappearing Ninja when it comes to situations like this. :)
 
Now with the release of web of spider-man couldn't carnage and anti-venom cards be made using venom (or spider-man) as a base. I was wondering because I just got an Anti-Venom in a pack I bought.
 
Carnage would probably just have a higher attack, and maybe more life. The utter simplicity (on some levels) of HS; namely, the lack of energy keyword for attacks (sonic, fire, etc.), means that one cannot duplicate the weakness of Venom and Carnage vs. Sonic attacks, or Superman vs. Magic.
 
Carnage would probably just have a higher attack, and maybe more life. The utter simplicity (on some levels) of HS; namely, the lack of energy keyword for attacks (sonic, fire, etc.), means that one cannot duplicate the weakness of Venom and Carnage vs. Sonic attacks, or Superman vs. Magic.
I don't know, I think Black Canary's Canary Cry exploits Symbiotes pretty nicely. ;)
 
Now with the release of web of spider-man couldn't carnage and anti-venom cards be made using venom (or spider-man) as a base. I was wondering because I just got an Anti-Venom in a pack I bought.
Does this really belong in the Book of Venom? This should be in the customs section.
 
Now with the release of web of spider-man couldn't carnage and anti-venom cards be made using venom (or spider-man) as a base. I was wondering because I just got an Anti-Venom in a pack I bought.
Does this really belong in the Book of Venom? This should be in the customs section.

Maybe, but with the official game essentially dead in the water, you can't really blame people for trying to keep it relevant to them.
 
Also I wish that they had a power that dealt with the symbiote. Also Venom negates Spidey's Spider sense. I just wish they gave Venom a different power to help seperate them a bit.

I totally agree. They are almost exactly the same. :p
 
Also I wish that they had a power that dealt with the symbiote. Also Venom negates Spidey's Spider sense. I just wish they gave Venom a different power to help seperate them a bit.

I totally agree. They are almost exactly the same. :p
Actually, I like Venom better because while Spider-Man only has to roll an 11 compared to Venom's 14, Venom has a greater offensive capability with a much higher life and attack. Spider-Man is an obnoxious attack dodger. Venom is a gameplay predator.
 
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