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The Book of Venom (Symbiote)

Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

I'd probably try a Cap/Merlyn/Robot build to try to maximize him on your own hero, and another focused on carrying/podding him over and using him to take out an Order Marker hub/key figure. But, yeah, those limits are all solid ones. Probably more 200ish, then, or less, since the 5 Life don't matter much if you just kill his host.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

Really? Not sure one can be called a symbiote when it can become an Avenger by itself. :)

Yeah, I dunno. Symbiotes have gotten weirdly independent of late.

I'd probably try a Cap/Merlyn/Robot build to try to maximize him on your own hero, and another focused on carrying/podding him over and using him to take out an Order Marker hub/key figure. But, yeah, those limits are all solid ones. Probably more 200ish, then, or less, since the 5 Life don't matter much if you just kill his host.

Cool. That's more where my train of thought was going.

I also don't consider removing part of the objects around a Clix figure to be a mod, so I think we are good here.

Yeah, I wasn't sure whether that technically counted. It's optional, too; you could just leave him in there. Might look a bit weird for Venom just cruising around the battlefield in the containment thing, but it'd let you also use him as set-dressing or a DO if you wanted.

Looks like this, as a reference:

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Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

Heh, that's pretty sweet.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

Yea I'd infect Captain Marvel.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

Alrighty, SP updated.

Some minor wording tweaks, but the only mechanical changes were adding the restriction against choosing the same Host twice, and dropping Venom's name/personality being bestowed on the Host. (I liked that for flavor, but we've got a long card going here and the no-double-host restriction made it a hair longer, so I think it makes sense to let that go)

Let's send him to initial.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (VOTE for Initial)

yea
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (VOTE for Initial)

This passes

Thanks folks!
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Waiting for Initial)

Quick question...if you put this figure on a figure you control and that figure is destroyed...is the symbiote also destroyed? Same if you take control of an opponents figure and attack a figure with Counter Strike. If the counter strike destroys the opponents figure does the symbiote also get destroyed?

EDIT: Also my son just saw this and got really excited to draft Hulk and Venom together and make his own Venom-Hulk.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Waiting for Initial)

It’s not mechanically destroyed but without a way to return to the battlefield, it is functionally destroyed.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

I'd probably try a Cap/Merlyn/Robot build to try to maximize him on your own hero, and another focused on carrying/podding him over and using him to take out an Order Marker hub/key figure. But, yeah, those limits are all solid ones. Probably more 200ish, then, or less, since the 5 Life don't matter much if you just kill his host.

Cool. That's more where my train of thought was going.

I'd actually consider a Bloodshot build. Multiattacking that likes high attack, easy to boost with soldier stuff (like Cap and Sgt Rock) and has the survivability between his nanites and decent defense/life to get good mileage out of the symbiote.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Waiting for Initial)

Yeah, guys like Punisher and Bloodshot are for sure on my radar.

Probably gonna be looking to test this one against somebody this weekend, because I think it's a valuable one to have a real opponent for.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Waiting for Initial)

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Venom Symbiote

Army Test
Map: Custom
Units: Venom @195, Captain America (Steve), Bloodshot, Sgt. Rock (870) vs Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Spider-Man (Peter), Tigra (870)
Spoiler Alert!

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Army Test
Map: Custom
Units: Venom @175, Bloodshot, Sgt. Rock (630) vs Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Swordsman (610)
Spoiler Alert!

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Army Test
Map: Custom
Units: Venom @175, Bloodshot, Sgt. Rock (630) vs Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Swordsman (610)
Spoiler Alert!

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Army Test
Map: Custom
Units: Venom @175, Robot, Commander Rogers, Shocker (805) vs Cyclops (I), Jean Grey, Angel (Warren), Mystique (I), Jubilee, Yukio (805)
Spoiler Alert!

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Army Test
Map: Custom
Units: Venom @175, Robot, Commander Rogers, Shocker (805) vs Captain America (Steve), Sgt. Rock, Bloodshot, Guile (805)
Spoiler Alert!


THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: Ended up soloscaping this after all, because I had no idea how this initial was gonna go and didn't want to ask someone for a bunch of games. :lol:

The "can't choose the same Host twice" restriction we put in there was definitely a good one - makes for some interesting decision-making. He can deny the enemy a key piece for a while, but he's not exactly an easy button for it. OM placements can be tricky with him.

I don't know if the numbers are 100% there yet, but I feel like they're workable as a starting point.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Initial Posted)

2 wins and 2 losses at 175 looks good to me. Pre-Yea to Public testing at that cost.

I know you didn't use Star-Lord here, but I am correct in assuming this guy would turn off his bonus if you put him on one of your own cards since you have 2 Symbiotes then right?
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Initial Posted)

Yeah, he's not compatible with Star-Lord's bonus for that reason.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Initial Posted)

Let's send Venom to public testing. Curious to get other impressions here.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (VOTE for Public Testing)

These look like interesting games. How did he feel in general? Did venomozing your own figures feel better than your opponent? Or vice verse? Curious what the actual optimal strategy is here.

Yea either way. More info will come the more testing is done!
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (VOTE for Public Testing)

These look like interesting games. How did he feel in general? Did venomozing your own figures feel better than your opponent? Or vice verse? Curious what the actual optimal strategy is here.

Yea either way. More info will come the more testing is done!

Bonding with enemy figures is a bigger deal, but it's a lot harder to pull off and leverage.

The army I was running in the last couple tests was designed with the intent being to bond with one or two enemy figures, but then have a couple good friendly choices to fall back on afterward - which almost panned out in game two, but Rogers got dropped fast after bonding with Venom, so nothing really came of having the friendly fallback.

I'm not sure I totally nailed an optimal strategy, since Venom's army lost pretty bad in the game where he performed well. :lol: I had fun, though.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (VOTE for Public Testing)

Still need one more vote here. I know it hasn't actually been that long, just worried about him falling off the first page, at the speed we're moving.
 
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