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The Book of Venom (Symbiote)

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The Book of Venom (Symbiote)

C3G MARVEL WAVE 34
WEB OF VENOM

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Mini PDF

Alternate Brisk Venom:
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The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Superior Foes of Spider-Man set.
Its model number and name are #S101 / Symbiote.​

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Character Bio - The Venom symbiote made its way to Earth with the unwitting assistance of Spider-Man, who thought it was just a fancy set of threads. Since the truth came out and it parted ways with Peter Parker, it has bonded with a number of individuals, but is best known for its partnership with Eddie Brock.
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Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

NAME = VENOM
SECRET IDENTITY =

SPECIES = SYMBIOTE
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = OUTCAST
PERSONALITY = CONFLICTED

SIZE/HEIGHT = SMALL 3

LIFE = 5

MOVE = 4
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 2
DEFENSE = 2

POINTS = 175

SYMBIOSIS
After taking a turn with Venom, you may place Venom on the card of an adjacent Unique Hero that is not an Android, Construct, or Symbiote and has not previously been Venom's Host. While Venom is on that card, that Hero is considered Venom's Host. Venom's Host has the species of Symbiote and the Super Strength special power in addition to what is listed on its card, and adds 1 to its Move and Attack numbers. Venom will not take leaving engagement attacks when placed with Symbiosis.

ASSERTING CONTROL
After revealing an Order Marker on this card and instead of taking a turn with Venom, if you control Venom's Host, take a turn with it. If you do not control Venom's Host, remove all Order Markers from its card, take control of it, and take a turn with it. When Venom is destroyed or removed from the Host's card, return control of that Hero to the player that controlled it at the start of the game.

LOSING CONTROL 7
At the end of each of your turns, if you control Venom's Host, you must roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 7 or lower, place Venom on an empty space as close to the Host as possible.
 
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Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

Comic art:
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Mini photos:
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Background:
I think the two viable directions are "sci-fi containment unit" or "church bell tower". Only real iconic settings for him. Or "watching TV while Eddie sleeps in the background", maybe.
 
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Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

Still happy with this. Do you have the figure here? Is it 3 tall?
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

Can you just jump right back on the same Host after getting kicked off?
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

It's 2 or 3. I can double-check.

Also, it's belatedly occurring to me that this is kinda-sorta technically a mod - nothing major, but the mini comes in a little containment canister and I cut him out of there.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

Yodaking said:
Can you just jump right back on the same Host after getting kicked off?
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Yeah, right now you can. Hadn't pulled the trigger yet, but we were talking about restricting that in the LCW, to prevent annoying 1v1 scenarios dragging the game out. (EDIT: Though technically if it's a straight up-and-down 1v1 endgame, Venom would lose when he left the battlefield. But situations that are almost that could be annoying)
 
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Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

So I think that tweak would look like this:

SYMBIOSIS
After taking a turn with Venom, you may place Venom on the card of an adjacent Unique Hero that is not an Android, Construct, or Symbiote and has not previously been Venom's Host this game. That Hero is now considered Venom's Host. Venom's Host has the name, species and personality listed on this card in addition to its own, adds 1 to its Move and Attack numbers, and gains the Super Strength special power.
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I think that's actually a hair shorter than the current wording and rules out re-bonding with the same figure. I like that dynamic thematically, besides putting a limiter on how often Venom can just whammy one figure.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

Double-checked the height and he's definitely a 3.

Added art/photos to the third post.
 
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Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

Assuming all goes smoothly in the design phase here, I might actually try and leapfrog this one past Joker and get him into public testing first, since he's in my cheaper design slot.

Starting on Joker's tests tomorrow anyway, though, so no pressure to yes-man this through.

I think we're okay on length here, but this is a bit longer than I usually like to go, so wouldn't mind a text check from the art folks, to be safe.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

On it.

EDIT: Should be good. You have a little bit of space but not much.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

Should he the Symbiote have Super Strength on it's own? I would assume not with only 2 attack but thought it might.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

Alright, thanks for the check Tickle! I'll try to pick through the wording tomorrow (later today?) and tighten it up and make sure we're in an okay place before moving out of the design phase.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

tcglkn said:
Should he the Symbiote have Super Strength on it's own? I would assume not with only 2 attack but thought it might.
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Depends on the writer. Modern Venom would have SS by itself, without a host. Heck, it joined the Avengers by itself. This design is more pulling from the classic stuff, though. The symbiote wasn't usually portrayed as being able to do much by itself back then.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

Cool sounds like we can squeeze a Venom (Symbiote - Avenger) into this wave too.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

Second blip is a little out of order. Should be removing OMs and then taking control. Also, Losing Control translates a little weird to me with the may place language. It's clear though and not sure there is really anything better there.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

Ronin said:
tcglkn said:
Should he the Symbiote have Super Strength on it's own? I would assume not with only 2 attack but thought it might.
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Depends on the writer. Modern Venom would have SS by itself, without a host. Heck, it joined the Avengers by itself. This design is more pulling from the classic stuff, though. The symbiote wasn't usually portrayed as being able to do much by itself back then.
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Really? Not sure one can be called a symbiote when it can become an Avenger by itself. :)
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

Hmm, pretty much auto-control of enemy figures is very powerful (found this out with a recent design). Best teammate of your own probably someone like Merlyn? Or anyone fast to carry him to other figures.

What point range are you thinking here? Complete spitballing number is 300-something?
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

I think 300 is a pretty high-end estimate of what it can do - not that the control isn't powerful, but Venom's also movement-limited and vulnerable, in ways that Parallax isn't.

Honestly, though, no clue where the points are gonna land here and I'm not really trying for a particular range. Mainly want to try to tune Losing Control to a number where it feels fun, and decide points second.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

Hmm, I feel like Captain Marvel (Billy Batson) and Merlyn would be good running mates. Start out with him on Merlyn and rain down Hell until they close in and kill Merlyn, then use Billy to get Order Markers where you need them for Venom to hop on the enemy and take them over while Billy holds the battlefield. Could build around that with things like Captain America or Star-Lord/Robot pretty easily.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

I think the fact that he cannot choose the same figure as his host twice in one game will be a limiting factor to his cost.

I also don't consider removing part of the objects around a Clix figure to be a mod, so I think we are good here.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

You'd probably want Wondy over Star-Lord: Venom gives his Host the species of Symbiote, and he is also a Symbiote, so just having a Host (that you control, but presumably you want that at some point) shuts off Star-Lord's bonus.

Also he doesn't come off a dead card. He'd go down with Merlyn in the scenario you're outlining.
 
Re: The Book of Venom (Symbiote) (Design)

Ah, good call. :up: Yeah, that lessens his value quite a bit. Blocked in Star-Lord builds and goes down with his host.
 
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