The Book of Starfire

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Starfire - Design

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT (STARFIRE)

- THEME TEST/ Check to see if there are any powers or stats on the test unit card that does not accurately reflect the theme or likeness of what the character would and could do. Also consider destructible objects, and whether or not this characters powers should affect them.
PASS

- MIRROR TEST/ Check to see if the unit were played against itself, if there would be any loops that would upset the balance of the Game.
PASS

- BONDING TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing Bonding abilities to make sure there are no continual Bonding possibilities that do not stop appropriately or do not stop at all. This is to prevent loops in Bonding.
PASS

- SYNERGIES TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing synergies to make sure there are no factors that could break the game by making any unit to powerful or too weak.
PASS

- POWER CHECK/ Consider the test unit and all existing units and all glyphs to compare to and check for any powers that could be over amplified and break the game. Each power must define when it takes place, who or what it affects, and What are the stipulations on the power if there are any.
PASS

- FUN TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play.
PASS

- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play against.
PASS

- DRAFTING TEST/ Consider whether or not this design is worth drafting.
PASS

- USAGE TEST/ Consider whether or not all of the powers on this card were used or at least usable.
PASS

- STRATEGY TEST/ Consider whether or not the design offers any real strategy or interesting tactics to the overall game.
PASS

Heavy Hitter or Mid-Level Hero Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 210-220.
- Give a brief overview. She feels more like 200 before Protective Fury comes into play, but with it I like her at 220 so far.

Spoiler Alert!

TEST 1
Map: Custom
Units: Starfire vs. Batman (200)
Batman engaged quickly, so Reckless Engagement came into play here. Starfire got into a one wound hole fast when Batman used Evasive Strike to duck her first attack from range and height. Once in melee, they both gave as good as they got, with Batman winning initiative for Round 2.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Batman with 3 Wounds wins Turn 1, Round 2.

TEST 2
Map: Custom
Units: Starfire vs. Batman (200)
This went down much like the first game, except Starfire used her full range on the first attack (giving up potential height advantage) to avoid Evasive Strike, and wounded Batman early, then in melee Batman failed to hit any Evasive Strike rolls. Batman won initiative in Round 2 again, to get Starfire up to 4 wounds, but Starfire responded by pummeling Batman with a 3 wound attack to end it.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Starfire with 4 Wounds wins Turn 1, Round 2.

TEST 3
Map: Custom
Units: Starfire vs. Killer Croc (200)
Killer Croc traveled through water to get to Starfire faster and once he got her into engagement his superior stats beat out her Reckless Engagement. He didn’t bother with Death Roll here, given her soft 4 defense in melee. Croc also won initiative for Round 2.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Killer Croc with 2 Wounds wins Turn 1, Round 2.

TEST 4
Map: Custom
Units: Starfire vs. Killer Croc (200)
Even with mostly poor attack rolls, Killer Croc’s hide was too thick for Starfire, and he finally found some skulls on offense after winning initiative in Round 3. A 5 skull attack finished Starfire off.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Killer Croc with 1 Wound wins Turn 1, Round 3.

TEST 5
Map: Custom
Units: Starfire vs. Captain America (Hasbro) (220)
Despite facing one 1 skull attack from Starfire in melee, Cap didn’t manage to land any wounds with Counter Strike. His more solid stats eventually prevailed here, though.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Captain America with 3 Wounds wins Turn 1, Round 3.

TEST 6
Map: Custom
Units: Starfire vs. Captain America (Hasbro) (220)
Cap hit Starfire with his shield for 2 wounds to start things out, then she shot back and landed 2 back on him. Then he moved to melee and punched her for one, counter struck her for one, then won initiative for Round 2 and finished her off with another punch.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Captain America with 2 Wounds wins Turn 1, Round 2.

TEST 7
Map: Custom
Units: Starfire (220), Robin (Dick) (100) (320) vs. Supergirl (320)
Robin tried to screen Supergirl early, but Supergirl took the leaving engagement attack (a whiff) and pursued Starfire, putting 4 early wounds on the Titan. Robin attacked from height with no success, then moved to engage Supergirl in a place where she’d have to take two leaving engagement attacks to reposition. Supergirl suffered Daring Decoy and Acrobatic Maneuverability as a result, and Starfire, still recklessly engaged, managed to sneak in 3 wounds on her. Robin whiffed in Round 2, however, to a 3 skull attack, denying Starfire a chance to use Protective Fury. Starfire did survive Supergirl’s attempts to put a final wound on her until Round 4, however. Starfire put all 5 wounds on Supergirl, but Robin was a handy decoy.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Supergirl with 5 Wounds wins Turn 1, Round 4.

TEST 8
Map: Custom
Units: Starfire (220), Robin (Dick) (100) (320) vs. Supergirl (320)
This lined up perfectly for Starfire, as Supergirl punched Robin for exactly 2 wounds early on, and then Robin engaged Supergirl when she was already engaged with Starfire (having given Starfire her one wound). Acrobatic Maneuverability and Daring Decoy worked their magic from there, with Supergirl unable to resist the temptation to try to put the last wound on Robin. Protective Fury, meanwhile, was giving Starfire 3 attacks per turn, which added up to her putting all 7 wounds on Supergirl.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Starfire with 1 Wound and Robin with 2 Wounds win Turn 1, Round 3.

TEST 9
Map: Custom
Units: Starfire (220), Wonder Girl (140) (360) vs. Captain Marvel (360)
Cap healed one wound here by winning initiative for Round 2. Starfire put one wound on him early, and took two himself from Cap’s normal attack. Then Wonder Girl came in and lassoed Captain Marvel down to height disadvantage, but couldn’t wound him with her attack. Then Captain Marvel disengaged from Wonder Girl (who whiffed on the swipe) and finished off Starfire with his normal attack, costing the Titans OM3 for the round. In Round 2, Captain Marvel engaged Wonder Girl before she could lasso him and put 2 quick wounds on her. She followed by putting 2 wounds on him with her normal attack, before he finished her off.
Protective Fury and Amazonian Empathy didn’t come into play here, despite my best efforts to exploit them.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Captain Marvel with 2 Wounds wins Turn 2, Round 2.

TEST 10
Map: Custom
Units: Starfire (220), Wonder Girl (140) (360) vs. Captain Marvel (360)
This really swung on initiative for Round 2. In Round 1, the Titans failed to wound Captain Marvel, but he put 3 wounds on Starfire, then 2 on Wonder Girl after Wonder Girl lassoed him away from Starfire.
In Round 2, the Titans won initiative and Starfire got to use Protective Fury once to hit Captain Marvel with 3 attacks, landing 3 wounds on him in one of them. Captain Marvel responded by knocking Wonder Girl out of the game with 2 final wounds. Then Starfire attacked again, putting wounds 4 and 5 on Captain Marvel before he hit her back for her final two wounds. Starfire got all 5 wounds on Captain Marvel here and though Amazonian Empathy didn’t come into play, Protective Fury did, and it was very helpful.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Captain Marvel with 5 Wounds wins Turn 3, Round 2.

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Squad Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 230-240
- Give a brief overview. The stars aligned for Protective Fury and Starfire was able to use Slipstreaming to keep her attack bonus in tow as she pummeled agents.
Map: Custom
Units: Starfire (220), Kid Flash (110) (330) vs. SHIELD Agents x3 (330)

Spoiler Alert!

The SHIELD Agents might’ve been better off risking swipes from Kid Flash and pursuing Kid Flash in the start zone. As it is, they put two wounds on him early, while he took out two of them, then Starfire came out firing, with regular triple attacks mowing down the SHIELD Agents. Their own attacks turned sour and Killbox just wasn’t practical on this map against mobile foes, so they quickly folded. Starfire took out 7 of the 9 Agents here.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Starfire with Full Life and Kid Flash with 2 Wounds win Turn 3, Round 3.

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Squad Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? Much less than 220.
- Give a brief overview. This match up just turned on the Hawkmen knowing how to play Starfire and Speedy. They lacked a good screen to keep the Hawkmen away, which meant Speedy ended up engaged and unable to ever use Speed Shot, and the Hawkmen targeted Starfire first, preventing her from taking advantage of Protective Fury.
Map: Custom
Units: Starfire (220), Speedy (90) (310) vs. Hawkmen of Thanagar x3 (300)

Spoiler Alert!

The Hawkmen’s flying and mobility allowed them to catch up with Speedy and Starfire fast. Since Speedy is a bit more delicate than other Titan allies, Starfire wanted to move in during the First Round still. But she made the mistake of doing so before Speedy took any wounds and the Hawkmen focused their might on her instead, easily winning the day here.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Hawkmen with 3 of 6 figures win Turn 3, Round 2.

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 200-220
- Give a brief overview. Not a good match up for the Titans here. Starfire took two wounds from Evasive Strike, but almost took out Batman. Batman prevailed, though, and with her gone, the Titans lacked a heavy to use against Supes.
Map: Custom
Units: Starfire (220), Beast Boy (60), Beast Boy (Pteradactyl) (40), Beast Boy (Grizzly Bear) (20), Beast Boy (Cheetah) (20), Wonder Girl (140), Robin (Dick) (100) (600) vs. Batman (200), Superman (400) (600)

Spoiler Alert!

Batman’s solid batarang rolls tore up the Titans and then Superman gave them too much to handle in end game. Starfire performed well, triple attacks from Beast Boy helping her put 3 wounds on Batman before he shut her down. Beast Boy healed two wounds in all here but couldn’t see to sneak in any wounds. Robin was a dud, whiffing on a 3 skull Batarang from Batman. Wonder Girl got to use her Amazonian Empathy after Robin died and put the final wound on Batman. But then she cost her team in Round 5 when she died with two Order Markers on her card, leaving a Full Life Superman against a 1 wound Beast Boy. No competition.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Superman with Full Life wins Turn 1, Round 5.

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? Under 200?
- Give a brief overview. Just a bad day at the office. After two of them, though, I’m wanting to send her out at a discount from the heavy hitters – probably 210.
Map: Custom
Units: Starfire (220), Cyborg (200), Aqualad (60), Superboy (240), Krypto (80), Kid Flash (110), Speedy (Roy) (90) (1,000) vs. Gorilla City Warriors x3 (375), Gorilla Grodd (225), Solovar (260), Riddler (140) (1,000)

Spoiler Alert!

Poor dice luck, too many big attacks from too many Simians, an inability to challenge Solovar in the start zone, an inability to stand up to big attacks from the Simians, Order Marker issues, and jungle trees, height, and Simian Inspiration combining to make Simians too hard to hit all combined to make a bad day for the Titans. Starfire got in a few attacks, but just couldn’t land any wounds here. Her wounded allies were always picked off too quickly for her to ever get in a turn with Protective Fury. Things just didn’t line up well here for her and the Titans at all.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? 3 Gorilla City Warriors, Full Life Gorilla Grodd, and completely untouched, unactivated Solovar and Riddler win Turn 1, Round 5.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Starfire - Design

This one's coming along slow and steady. All the heavy hitters are done thus far. I think I want to cap her Protective Fury like we've got Fists of Fury capped. Probably at 4 attacks total.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Starfire - Design

She's all wrapped up. I like her at 210 for public playtesting, with some wiggle room based on their results. I don't really feel I got all the Titans have to offer from their army tests, but sometimes it goes that way. 24 hours on the clock!

 

[Hahma]

Re: The Book of Starfire - Design

Pre-Yea for testing.

She looks a bit closer to 200 than 210, but if you feel 210 is safer, that's cool too.

 

[A3n]

Re: The Book of Starfire - Design

Pre-Yea

 

[johnny139]

Re: The Book of Starfire - Design

Pre-Yea as well. I'd err on the side of caution as well.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Starfire - Design

Yeah, I feel like the Titans just weren't getting good rolls or good breaks in the army tests. So I really feel 210 potential is there and I want to see if other players with other maps and other match ups prove it. I think 200-220 feels like a solid range for her, though, so this will position her well for the additional tests to really help us lock into one cost in that range.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Starfire - Design

LPSirG or proposal and time.

 

[Lord Pyre]

Re: The Book of Starfire - Design

Pre-Yea

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Starfire - Design

I propose we move Starfire to Playtesting at 210 points!

 

[SirGalahad]

Re: The Book of Starfire - VOTE for Playtesting

yea

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Starfire - VOTE for Playtesting

Sweet. This passes to Playtesting.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Starfire - Playtesting

Thanks, T!

I've gotta get you to use the red (some red added here by me) and the spoiler tags, though, because it makes your tests so much easier to read!

Iambatman,

Here are the tests. I think 200 might be better for her than 210. She didn't perform well in some of my games and neither did Robin or Superboy. One game though she took out pretty much all the Hawkmen and Hawkgirl with Superboy only helping a little with the heroes. She killed around 400 points that game, but in other games she didn't do any thing or just around 100 points. One game though she earned about 200 so I think that is a good average that leaves a bit a wiggle room for other future Titan synergy with Cyborg and Dick grayson. Her Reckless Engagment power for me was more of a disadvantage then an advantage because it caused her to be easier to wound, but it is great for theme.

Spoiler Alert!

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT (Starfire)

- THEME TEST/ Check to see if there are any powers or stats on the test unit card that does not accurately reflect the theme or likeness of what the character would and could do. Also consider destructible objects, and whether or not this characters powers should affect them.
Pass.

- MIRROR TEST/ Check to see if the unit were played against itself, if there would be any loops that would upset the balance of the Game.
Pass.

- BONDING TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing Bonding abilities to make sure there are no continual Bonding possibilities that do not stop appropriately or do not stop at all. This is to prevent loops in Bonding.
Pass.

- SYNERGIES TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing synergies to make sure there are no factors that could break the game by making any unit to powerful or too weak.
Pass. I like the Synergy going on with the Titans. Superboy right now is a defender/heavy hitter and Starfire right now is the ranged power house.

- POWER CHECK/ Consider the test unit and all existing units and all glyphs to compare to and check for any powers that could be over amplified and break the game. Each power must define when it takes place, who or what it affects, and What are the stipulations on the power if there are any.
Pass. Even though she can get four attacks in per turn her survivability and Reckless Engagement keep her in check.

- FUN TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play.
Pass. It’s very fun to get 4 ranged attacks in one turn.

- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play against.
Pass.

- DRAFTING TEST/ Consider whether or not this design is worth drafting.
Pass.

- USAGE TEST/ Consider whether or not all of the powers on this card were used or at least usable.
Pass.

- STRATEGY TEST/ Consider whether or not the design offers any real strategy or interesting tactics to the overall game.
Pass.
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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 210-260
- Give a brief overview. It was a nice even fight to the end. The Titans had some nice rolls at the right time and eventually pulled out a win.
Map: Turret Rocks
Units: Army 1 (Starfire, Superboy, Robin and Punisher) 750 Vs.
(Hawkman, Hawkgirl, and 2x Hawkmen of Thanagar) 750
(Punisher gets first blood by putting a wound on Hawkgirk. Hawkgirl though is able to get revenge and kill him in 2 hits. Superboy gives Hawkgirl a wound via knockback and then Hawkgirl gives Robin 2 wounds.Army 1 lost OM 3 on Punisher

Starfire brings Hawkgirl down to one life because of Protective Fury). Superboy then protects Starfire from a potential 3-wound attack getting himself a wound in the process. Starfire then kills Hawkgirl and a Hawkman of Thanagar. The Hawkmen begin to swoop in and Superboy goes ahead and gives Hawkman 2 wounds.

Hawkman and the Hawkmen of Thanagar then kill Superboy. Starfire then gives Hawkman his 3rd wound. Hawkman returns the favour giving her 3 wounds. Starfire in a Protective Fury over Robin kills Hawkman and a Hawkman of thanagar.

The Hawkmen then swoop in and fail to kill Robin only giving him 1 wound. Starfire then kills the 2 Hawkmen for the win.)

Unit Sum Up: Starfire
Damage: 4 Hawkmen, 3 wounds on Hawkgirl and 3 wounds on Hawkman.
Reckless engagement: She got to use this a few times against hawkman and some hawkmen but they also used it against her.
Protective Fury: Because Robin stayed alive the whole time with wounds on him he let Starfire shoot a lot of times.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? A one life Robin and 2 life Starfire won the game.

Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 180-210
- Give a brief overview. Cyborg Superman killed everyone except Starfire who had only 1 life left who was then able to kill Cyborg supes and put 2 wounds on Ubu before being wiped out by superman.
Map: Turret Rocks
Units: Army 1 (Batman 2, Punisher, Robin, Superboy, and Starfire) 1000 Vs. Army 2 (Superman 2, Cyborg Superman, Ubu, and Iron Man Mk1) 1000
(Cyborg Superman puts his eye beams to good use by killing superboy in the first round with it. Punisher puts a wound on the Cyborg but it is quickly healed.
Batman puts several wounds on Cyborg Superman but at the end of the round he gets killed in one hit because of a whiff.
Cyborg Superman kills robin and gets 2 wounds healing one.
Cyborg Superman then kills the Punisher and give Starfire 4 wounds with his special. Starfire is able to finish him off though.
Starfire goes and deals Ubu two wounds, but then she is killed by superman.)

Unit Sum Up: Starfire
Damage: 2 wounds on Cyborg Superman and 2 wounds on Ubu.
Reckless engagement: Superman used one time against her even though it wouldn’t have really made a difference.
Protective Fury: Never because all the other Titans died before her.

Who won and how many wounds did they have? Army 2 one with a 2 life Ubu, Full life superman, and a full life Iron man Mk1

Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 180-200
- Give a brief overview. Superman kill all the Titans without even getting a wound.
Map: Turret Rocks
Units: Army 1(Robin, Superboy, and Starfire) 570 Vs. Army 2 (Superman and Ubu) 550
(This shouldn’t even count as a test. Superman just eliminated all the titans without breaking a sweat. I didn’t even have to bring a long Ubu with the Lazarus pit. Darn Man of Steel).
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Full life Superman and Ubu.

Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 200
- Give a brief overview. Fury and his agents got to drop by the startzone early on and eventually won out.
Map: Turret Rocks
Units: Army 1 (Superboy, Starfire and Robin) Vs. Army 2 (Nick Fury and 3x Sheild Agents)
(The Agents drop onto height and give Robin a wound. Superboy flies up and gives Nick Fury 2 wounds. The Agents then manage to give Superboy 3 wounds. Starfire then goes into a Protective Fury and takes out the two agents next to her. Nick Fury finishes off Superboy and the agents give Starfire 3 wounds. Starfire then punches Nick Fury taking him out of the game.
The Agents kill Starfire. The Agents then after some misses kill robin. At this point OM 2 and 3 for army 1 were lost on Starfire.)
Unit Sum Up: Starfire
Damage: 3 wounds on Nick Fury and 2 sheild agents.
Reckless Engagement: It was used to kill Nick Fury and the 2 agents, but ended up being the demise of Starfire.
Protective Fury: Once because of Superboy.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? 7 Sheild Agents survived.

T_T

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Starfire - Playtesting

Not surprised Superman romped on them, since only Superboy (Kryptonian) is able to get around Man of Steel at all. And they also didn't have the turn bonding to take on a whole slew of SHIELD Agents, so also not surprised there. Even still, though, that's enough losses with limited Titan/Sidekick help to make me think 210 is closer to a ceiling than a floor.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Starfire - Playtesting

Awesome! Yeah, I figured Superboy would make a good partner for her. I'm glad to see you managed to exploit this combo. 210 is definitely looking good so far.

Robin (Dick Grayson) and Wonder Girl (Donna Troy) make good combos with her as well, I've found. So should Raven when I get around to her.

Thanks!
Bats

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT (Starfire)

- THEME TEST/ Check to see if there are any powers or stats on the test unit card that does not accurately reflect the theme or likeness of what the character would and could do. Also consider destructible objects, and whether or not this characters powers should affect them.
Pass

- MIRROR TEST/ Check to see if the unit were played against itself, if there would be any loops that would upset the balance of the Game.
Pass

- BONDING TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing Bonding abilities to make sure there are no continual Bonding possibilities that do not stop appropriately or do not stop at all. This is to prevent loops in Bonding.
Pass

- SYNERGIES TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing synergies to make sure there are no factors that could break the game by making any unit to powerful or too weak.
Pass

- POWER CHECK/ Consider the test unit and all existing units and all glyphs to compare to and check for any powers that could be over amplified and break the game. Each power must define when it takes place, who or what it affects, and What are the stipulations on the power if there are any.
Pass

- FUN TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play.
Pass

- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play against.
Pass

- DRAFTING TEST/ Consider whether or not this design is worth drafting.
Pass

- USAGE TEST/ Consider whether or not all of the powers on this card were used or at least usable.
Pass

- STRATEGY TEST/ Consider whether or not the design offers any real strategy or interesting tactics to the overall game.
Pass
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Army Test 1
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 210
- Give a brief overview. A few inopportune defense rolls from Army 2 made this a quick battle and an easy victory for the Titans.

Map: Ivy's Greenhouse
Armies: Army 1: Starfire, Superboy (Kon-El), Robin, Spoiler (620) VS Army 2: Steel, Giant-Man, Jean Grey (620)
Damage: 1 wound to Steel, 4 wounds to Giant-Man.
Protective Fury: 4 extra attacks.

Spoiler Alert!

Both teams work their way out, the battle begins on one of the bridges with Steel missing on his SA. Superboy takes advantage of this and deals 3 wounds to a whiffing Steel. Steel inflicts a wound to Superboy, which allows Starfire a second attack as she moves in, KOs Steel and inflicts 3 wounds on Giant-Man who also failed to roll any shields. Hank deals a wound back to Starfire and then the defense kicks back in and no damage is dealt in the 3rd round. Giant-Man brings Starfire to the brink of death with 2 wounds. Starfire hits back and finishes him off. Jean throws Kori down and knocks her out. With the order marker on Starfire, Jean deals another wound to Superboy but then he jumps in and kills her in one hit with 5 skulls.

Superboy with 3 wounds, Robin and Spoiler with none.

Army Test 2
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 210-220
- Give a brief overview. Things were much closer in the Rematch. Starfire did very well, but, with less whiffs, Army 2 fared much better. A few decent rolls from Jean could have easily won them this game. Superboy took 4 wounds early and then held off his attackers while staying out in front, tying up his opponents and allowing Starfire to go crazy with her attacks.

Map: Ivy's Greenhouse
Armies: Army 1: Starfire, Superboy (Kon-El), Robin, Spoiler (620) VS Army 2: Steel, Giant-Man, Jean Grey (620)
Damage: 4 wounds to Steel, 4 wounds to Giant-Man.
Protective Fury: 13 extra attacks.

Spoiler Alert!

Both teams head out and, unlike last time, Steel fends off a 4 skull roll from Starfire. Giant-Man rolled big against Kori, but Superboy took a wound for her. Starfire misses a few attacks. Steel deals another wound to Superboy, who jumps in but does no damage. Steel adds two more wounds, bringing Superboy to 4. Starfire inflicts a couple to Steel, and, after he misses Superboy, she knocks him out and deals a couple to Giant-Man. With the order marker on Steel, Starfire gets in four more attacks but does no damage. Hank misses his attack while Robin and Spoiler move out. Jean moves up but fails to do anything. Starfire adds another wound to Giant-Man. Jean finally finishes off Superboy with Telekinesis and then deals 3 wounds to a whiffing Starfire. Kori KOs Giant-Man and Robin and Spoiler move up, doing no damage. Jean starts off the 5th round by finishing off Starfire and then there is about three rounds of low attack rolls and Jean missing with Telekinesis. Jean does manage to take out Robin and give Spoiler a couple wounds, but Spoiler chips away at Jean and finally finishes her off.

Spoiler with 2 wounds is the only one left standing after 8 rounds.

Army Test 3
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 210
- Give a brief overview. Superboy didn't last as long this time, but he gave Starfire the chance to do some damage before he went. Once the Titans were down, Superman flew in and hit hard, but he wasn't quite able to pull out a victory.

Map: Moon Base Alpha
Armies: Army 1: Starfire, Superboy (Kon-El), Superman (II) (900) VS Army 2: Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Shang-Chi, Iron Man Mark III (900)
Damage: 5 wounds to Shang-Chi, 1 to Luke Cage.
Protective Fury: 5 extra attacks.

Spoiler Alert!

The Crime Fighters needed some time to get up, but they had enough while the Supers set up. Shang-Chi's multiple attacks were just enough that Superboy declined to swoop in and Starfire took a couple wounds. Superboy then moved in but did no damage and took a couple wounds from Shang-Chi. With the wounds on Superboy and an Initiative switch, Starfire did all her damage in two turns, first killing Shang-Chi (in large part due to a 4 skull to 1 shield roll) and then wounding Luke Cage. Iron Fist moved in and dealt a couple more wounds to Superboy, allowing Luke to finish him off with 4 skulls. Starfire misses her attack and Iron Fist KOs her with a 5 skull attack, then heals Luke. Luke moves in on Superman and gives him a couple wounds when the Man of Steel whiffs. Superman retaliated be Blowing him off the wall, messing up the Crime Fighter strategy.
Superman and Iron Fist go at it for a round, with Danny getting in a couple wounds but Superman emerging the victor. Supes then swoops down to Iron Man, knocking him out in a couple attacks before Tony can do any damage. Luke finally gets up the ladder and goes toe-to-toe with Supes, taking 4 wounds but finally getting through and finishing off Superman.

Luke Cage with 4 wounds.

My only exposure to Starfire comes from the Teen Titans cartoon from a few years back (actually, probably more than a few), so I can't say how thematic she is, but she's certainly fun to play. She and Superboy make a great duo; if you can set it up right, he can take wounds for her and then she can go nuts, dealing out a ton of damage if everything goes well. Once Superboy goes down though, so does her usefulness, with only one attack of 4 or 5 and no defensive powers. It's possible that once a few more Titans are released, she'll be able to hang back and keep up her attacks using different Titans, but it will also be tricky to get together. And once Superboy is down, she doesn't last long if the focus turns to her. Still, I'd err on the side of caution with her points.
210 felt pretty right to me, she often destroyed more than her points worth, but it required a lot of sacrifice from Superboy. All-in-all, she's a nice unit, fun to play, adds some interesting strategies and should be a great part of any Teen Titan armies.

 

[Hahma]

Re: The Book of Starfire - Playtesting

210 seems to be holding up.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Starfire - Playtesting

Agreed - and this cements it for me!

Sweet! Thanks for the tests, FG.

Just as a note, though, Batman only has 4 lives. ;-)

Cheers,
Bats

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Starfire

- THEME TEST/ Check to see if there are any powers or stats on the test unit card that does not accurately reflect the theme or likeness of what the character would and could do. Also consider destructible objects, and whether or not this characters powers should affect them.
PASS

- MIRROR TEST/ Check to see if the unit were played against itself, if there would be any loops that would upset the balance of the Game.
PASS

- BONDING TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing Bonding abilities to make sure there are no continual Bonding possibilities that do not stop appropriately or do not stop at all. This is to prevent loops in Bonding.
PASS

- SYNERGIES TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing synergies to make sure there are no factors that could break the game by making any unit to powerful or too weak.
PASS

- POWER CHECK/ Consider the test unit and all existing units and all glyphs to compare to and check for any powers that could be over amplified and break the game. Each power must define when it takes place, who or what it affects, and What are the stipulations on the power if there are any.
PASS

- FUN TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play.
PASS

- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play against.
PASS

- DRAFTING TEST/ Consider whether or not this design is worth drafting.
PASS

- USAGE TEST/ Consider whether or not all of the powers on this card were used or at least usable.
PASS

- STRATEGY TEST/ Consider whether or not the design offers any real strategy or interesting tactics to the overall game.
PASS

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 210
- Give a brief overview. Starfire was fairly useful in this game, stacking attacks against Superman, helping to destroy him. She’s eventually taken down by Superman, but I still feel she more than earned her points here.
Map: Swamp Labyrinth
Units: Starfire, Cyborg, Beast Boy, Beast Boy (Cheetah), Beast Boy (Bear), Robin (Dick Grayson) (610) vs. Superman, Batman (Bruce Wayne) (600)

Spoiler Alert!

Robin and Beast Boy engage Superman and Batman, keeping them engaged, while Cyborg provides damage from a distance and Starfire moves in close to maximize Reckless Engagement and Protective Fury. Superman and Batman eventrually start turning the tides with a lucky series of Batman rolls, eventually leaving Batman the only remaining figure.
Who won and how many wounds did they have?
Batman: 2/5 Wounds

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? 210
- Give a brief overview. Starfire was very useful in this test, taking down Thing with the help of Superboy and helping to put wounds on Invisible Woman.
Map: Swamp Labyrinth
Units: Starfire, Cyborg, Beast Boy, Beast Boy (Cheetah), Beast Boy (Bear), Beast Boy (Pterodactyl) Robin (Dick Grayson), Kid Flash, Superboy (1000) vs. Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, Thing, Human Torch (1000)

Spoiler Alert!

This battle was very close at several points in the game, but eventually the Titans won. The FF sent out Thing and Human Torch ahead of Invisible Woman and Mr. Fantastic, and they were able to do some damage, taking out Beast Boy, Kid Flash, and Robin, but were eventually taken down. The remaining Titans were able to take down Mr. Fantastic and Invisible Woman with minimal difficulty.
Who won and how many wounds did they have?
Starfire: 3/5 Wounds
Superboy: 4/5 Wounds

Definitely enjoyed it, thanks. Reminded me of the old Teen Titans cartoon I used to watch when I was younger.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Starfire - Playtesting

I propose we move Starfire to Final Editing at 210 points!

 

[Hahma]

Re: The Book of Starfire - VOTE for Final Editing

yea

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Starfire - VOTE for Final Editing

In case folks missed this one.

 

[johnny139]

Re: The Book of Starfire - VOTE for Final Editing

Yea

 

[A3n]

Re: The Book of Starfire - VOTE for Final Editing

Yea - Anybody else think Flame Gryphon is not putting enough notes in his playtests?

 

[Hahma]

Re: The Book of Starfire - VOTE for Final Editing

Yea - Anybody else think Flame Gryphon is not putting enough notes in his playtests?

Yeah, they can be better with a little more specifics. Sometimes I think he gets in the Hidical mode and puts quantity of tests before quality.

Also as a general note, the Batman/Superman opponent army is getting old and overused, as is the FF4 starting to be. They are easy and lazy army builds. We have a lot more units out there and these see the table more than I like to see personally. It's one thing if there is a specific reason to test the FF4 such as against a unit that can steal or move OM's or other specific reasons, but the FF4 can be a build that is either hot or cold depending on Mr. F's rolls. I know it balances out in the long run, but if it swings too much one way or the other in a test, it's not awfully helpful.

 

[SirGalahad]

Re: The Book of Starfire - VOTE for Final Editing

yea to editing
(only missed it because the thread title hadn't been changed)

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Starfire - VOTE for Final Editing

Huh. Thought I had. Down to LP here.