The Book of Secret

[Lord Pyre]

The Book of Secret

C3G DC WAVE 41
CLASH OF THE TITANS

Comic PDF

Mini PDF

The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Teen Titans set.
Its model number and name are #040 / Secret.​

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Character Bio - Greta Hayes was murdered by her brother at a young age. He yearned to be a supervillain and murderer by the name of Harm, and Greta was his first victim. Due to the circumstances of her death, Greta remained on this plane of existence as essentially a ghost. Having lost most of her memories at this point, she roamed the earth as Secret, until she was captured by the DEO (Department of Extranormal Operations) to be studied. Young Justice eventually found out about her mistreatment at the hands of the DEO, and helped her to escape. She became quick friends with them all, and grew a crush on Robin. After learning about Robin’s romance with Spoiler, Secret grew angry, to the point of violence, battling Spoiler across Gotham City until Robin and Red Tornado stopped them, with Robin promising to always be there for her. Her volatile nature never went away, and after Robin left the team, Spoiler grew resentful and abandoned. She remained part of Young Justice, and friends with Wonder Girl, Empress, and Cissie, but she never fully grew into the hero role that was expected of her, even with mentoring by Hal Jordan, the current Spectre. She then found a new friend, one who really understood who and what she was: the tyrannical overlord Darkseid.
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-Rulings and Clarifications-

• N/A

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-Combinations and Synergies-

Incoming Synergy:

• As an Undead, Secret has these Undead Synergies.
• As a Titan, Secret has these Titan Synergies.

Outgoing Synergy:

• Secret may choose a Unique Human Sidekick you control to be her Obsession. List of Sidekicks.

Immunities, Benefits, and Weaknesses:

• N/A

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-Strategy, Tactics and Tips-

• Young Justice Faction Strategy

-Heroscapers Community Contributions-

• Initial playtest: Lord Pyre
• Second playtest: AlexH12
• Third playtest: IAmBatman
• Fourth playtest: Zakizzryn
• Art: Comic, Figure, Background
• Art by tcglkn

 

[Lord Pyre]

Re: The Book of Secret (Breathing)

NAME = SECRET
SECRET IDENTITY = GRETA HAYES

SPECIES = UNDEAD
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = TITAN
PERSONALITY = NAIVE

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 4

LIFE = 3

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 3
DEFENSE = 4

POINTS = 120

OBSESSIVE JEALOUSY
At the start of the game, you may choose a Unique Human Sidekick that you control to be Secret’s Obsession. If an opponent either inflicts a wound on or destroys Secret's Obsession with an attack, place Secret on an empty space adjacent to the attacking figure, if possible. Immediately after placing Secret this way, roll the 20-sided die once for each figure adjacent to Secret, other than her Obsession. If you roll 11 or higher, that figure receives a wound.

INTANGIBILITY
Secret can move through all figures, Fortress Walls, and obstacles, and is never attacked when leaving an engagement. Secret cannot be targeted by opponents' non-adjacent figures for any attacks or for any opponents' special powers that require clear sight.

IMPOSING PRESENCE
Opponent's figures engaged with Secret subtract 1 die from their normal Attack number and 1 die from their Defense number, to a minimum of 1 die each.

FLYING

 

[Lord Pyre]

Re: The Book of Secret (Breathing)

Comic:

Spoiler Alert!

Mini:

Spoiler Alert!

Background:
Some sort of lab maybe? She was studied in one (In a Bacta-Tank looking thing) for a while.

 

[Yodaking]

Re: The Book of Secret (Breathing)

What's Imposing about her?

 

[Lord Pyre]

Re: The Book of Secret (Breathing)

What's Imposing about her?

She's a ghost, she regularly transforms into giant monster visions to scare people, also she was trained by Darkseid near the end of the series so it's a callback to her connection to him.

Also she's just terrifying when she unleashes.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Secret (Breathing)

Obsessive Jealousy has a fair amount packed into it, but all the mechanics seem clear enough. Looks good. Cool to have an Undead Titan.

 

[Lord Pyre]

Re: The Book of Secret (Breathing)

Obsessive Jealousy has a fair amount packed into it, but all the mechanics seem clear enough. Looks good. Cool to have an Undead Titan.

Yeah definitely was concerned about it. But the consensus when chatting about it was that it was fine. If we need to tweak, I just want her to be a way to protect Robin, but in a more aggressive way. This way she stays with him, and attacks, while also dropping stats with Imposing Presence. The powers all mesh pretty well together with her.

 

[quozl]

Re: The Book of Secret (Breathing)

Maybe Imposing Illusion gets the theme across better?

 

[Lord Pyre]

Re: The Book of Secret (Breathing)

Maybe Imposing Illusion gets the theme across better?

Nope, her presence is imposing when she wants it to be. Keeping it for the Darkseid connection like I said.

 

[johnny139]

Re: The Book of Secret (Breathing)

She's interesting... I'm sort of curious what sort of Undead/Sidekick army you could make for her, but nothing comes to mind. There's gotta be some sort of weird hybrid build!

I'd limit the reactive movement in her Jealousy to once per turn, to keep her from, say, wiping out a whole squad passively. I do feel like the Jealousy part doesn't quite come through, though... feels more like a protective power than a jealous one?

I'd also try to mirror the movement - either drop her base move to 4 or up the reactive move to 5. Just for memory reasons.

Imposing Presence does feel a little weird on her. I do dig the reuse, but some sort of tweak might work better? And it gives us an excuse to clean up the language a bit...

UNNERVING PRESENCE
Opponent's figures engaged with Secret that are not Fearless subtract 1 from their Attack and Defense numbers, to a minimum of 1 each.

Ah, but I see the Darkseid parallel is important. Fair enough then.

 

[Lord Pyre]

Re: The Book of Secret (Breathing)

I'd limit the reactive movement in her Jealousy to once per turn, to keep her from, say, wiping out a whole squad passively. I do feel like the Jealousy part doesn't quite come through, though... feels more like a protective power than a jealous one?

I'm open to suggestions there. I want her to be protective of Robin in an aggressive way. She chased Spoiler through Gotham City because she though Spoiler wasn't good enough for Robin. Not sure I want a negative "attack you allies" style power here, but definitely fine with tweaking it for theme.

I'm fine changing the move to match!

 

[Arch-vile]

Re: The Book of Secret (Breathing)

Pretty cool design. Imposing Presence with that free movement bonding is definitely going to be strong, but she's got pretty weak stats so it shouldn't be too bad taking her out first.

 

[Lord Pyre]

Re: The Book of Secret (Breathing)

At the start of the game, you may choose a Unique Human Sidekick that you control to be Secret’s Obsession. After moving and before attacking with Secret’s Obsession, you may move Secret. Secret must end this move within 3 clear sight spaces of her Obsession. Once per turn, if her Obsession receives one or more wounds from an opponent's attack, or if any figure other than Secret end their move adjacent to her Obsession, you must immediately move Secret up to 4 spaces. If she ends her movement adjacent to the attacking figure, you may roll one unblockable attack die against that figure.

Thought about this a little bit over the weekend. If we like the mechanics here but want to add in a little bit more of the jealousy theme, how about this? That way she'll get pissed at allies but you can easily work around it. Also if we change it to a must she'll seem more volatile, which is fitting. These are both nerfs to her, but I don't think it'll affect cost too much (But I'm fine with her going down).

Anyone have an opinion on these changes? Any other thoughts before moving to an initial?

 

[tcglkn]

Re: The Book of Secret (Breathing)

Not familiar with the character but the powers you have so far seem fun.

 

[LordVenoc]

Re: The Book of Secret (Breathing)

It will likely up your cost. Originally she was basically capped at 4 total potential attempts. Now she's unlimited because it can happen anytime your opponent moves adjacent to the figure. The must just makes you move her, but doesn't force you to move adjacent, so you can just not move her next to the allied figure.

 

[Lord Pyre]

Re: The Book of Secret (Breathing)

It will likely up your cost. Originally she was basically capped at 4 total potential attempts. Now she's unlimited because it can happen anytime your opponent moves adjacent to the figure. The must just makes you move her, but doesn't force you to move adjacent, so you can just not move her next to the allied figure.

I was going to update to once per turn, forgot to add that. I don't want her ending up being too expensive.

 

[LordVenoc]

Re: The Book of Secret (Breathing)

That should help. Though, your language still technically only triggers unblockables on the attack, so really you're just giving her a lot of free moves right now with your new language?

 

[Lord Pyre]

Re: The Book of Secret (Breathing)

That should help. Though, your language still technically only triggers unblockables on the attack, so really you're just giving her a lot of free moves right now with your new language?

I'm missing something. The Once per turn is before the move part? Does it need to go somewhere else?

 

[LordVenoc]

Re: The Book of Secret (Breathing)

Your once per turn is fine. This is what I was referencing:

or if any figure other than Secret end their move adjacent to her Obsession, you must immediately move Secret up to 4 spaces. If she ends her movement adjacent to the attacking figure, you may roll one unblockable attack die against that figure.

So any time a figure moves adjacent to the Obsession she can move. She only rolls unblockables if the obsession is attacked though. So letting her move when someone moves adjacent to the Obsession is nice in that it sets her up for imposing presence, but it doesn't actually trigger unblockables. So a strengthening effect, but no actual downside for your team ultimately.

 

[Lord Pyre]

Re: The Book of Secret (Breathing)

Oh gotcha, I didn't change that when I added the new clause.

Do we like the addition there? I'm fine with how it was, I was just addressing the comments about the Jealousy aspect not coming through.

 

[LordVenoc]

Re: The Book of Secret (Breathing)

Oh gotcha, I didn't change that when I added the new clause.

Do we like the addition there? I'm fine with how it was, I was just addressing the comments about the Jealousy aspect not coming through.

I like it and think it conveys the theme better. But unless you put a lot of must language in there (must move adjacent to the figure, if possible), then its really just a fake negative for your team. Nothing is making her hurt your allies, so it won't actually drop points, just increase them.

 

[Lord Pyre]

Re: The Book of Secret (Breathing)

How's this?

At the start of the game, you may choose a Unique Human Sidekick that you control to be Secret’s Obsession. After moving and before attacking with Secret’s Obsession, you may move Secret. Secret must end this move within 3 clear sight spaces of her Obsession. Once per turn, if a figure other than Secret ends their move adjacent to her Obsession, or attacks her Obsession and inflicts one or more wounds, you must immediately move Secret adjacent to that figure, if possible. If she ends her movement adjacent to the attacking figure, you must roll one unblockable attack die against that figure.

 

[Lord Pyre]

Re: The Book of Secret (Breathing)

Updated.

I propose we move to Initial testing

COMPETITIVE REVIEW BOARD CHECKLIST

Spoiler Alert!

Efficiency- Check to see if your design is providing armies with turns/moves/etc. to a degree that would make it difficult or impossible for an opponent to keep up with your output.

1. Does your design allow itself or figures to move/attack/take a turn/etc. instead of/in addition to your normal turn for revealing an Order Marker? Is it granting these benefits to too broad a range of units? Does it combine with other powers to create overly long or powerful chains of actions?

Yes, only with a chosen human sidekick, and only if they stay close together.

2. Does your design allow you to take actions during an opponent's turn? Can it combine with other powers to create tediously long reactions to enemy actions or a restrictive environment?

Yes, similar to Heroic Duty.

3. Does your design allow you to rearrange your Order Markers or otherwise bypass the costs of Order Marker requirements on the special powers of other figures?

Nope

4. Is your design doing anything outside of a player's turn, at the start or end of the round? Is the effect too powerful by itself or when combined with other powers?

Nope

5. Does your design have any powers that trigger anytime it moves as opposed to only when it moves normally on its turn? Will it be too efficient when combined with figures that grant extra moves to figures?

Nope

6. Is your design adding or subtracting from initiative rolls? Will it pair too easily with other figures that alter initiative or have powers triggering on the results of initiative rolls?

Nope


Potency- Check to see if your design is wounding/removing/etc. enemy figures, increasing the chances of other figures in your army doing so, or otherwise directly effecting the number of figures available to players to a degree that would make it difficult or impossible for an opponent to recover from.

1. Does your design have a chance to inflict wounds or destroy figures? Is it getting these chances too frequently or having to high a chance of success? Is the power balanced against expensive targets that can cause a massive swing in the game when destroyed?

Once per turn depending on opponents actions.

2. Is your design adding to the stats or 20-sided die rolls of other figures in your army? Is it a boosting a broad enough range of units effectively enough to become a 'mandatory' draft or inhibit future design space? Can it be combined with other boosts too easily?

Nope

3. Will your design benefit from stat boosts or other enhancement to an overpowering degree? Will it restrict future growth within its faction or point cost by limiting available boosts to others?

Nope

4. Does your design take control of enemy figures permanently or temporarily? Is it too difficult to for your opponent to regain control of their figure or recover from the losing the figure? Does the method of taking control expose the enemy figure to the powers of other figures in your army that can easily destroy it?

Nope

5. Can your design heal itself or others or revive itself or others? Is it doing so in a way that an opponent cannot hope to overcome in certain scenarios?

Nope

6. Does your design place enemy figures on its card or otherwise have an unconventional method of temporarily removing enemy figures from play? Will it guarantee your victory against a single remaining enemy figure?

Nope


Chicanery- Check to see if your design is preventing your opponent from taking actions with too much ease or is otherwise causing negative play experience through tactics that make your opponent feel you're 'not playing fair'

1. Does your design restrict the movement of enemy figures, or allow you to move enemy figures? Can it do so in a way that results in an unwinnable scenario for your opponent if they are down to one figure, posses only figures with a range of 1, etc.? Can your design easily combine with other figures to greatly impede enemy figures or otherwise gain an excessive advantage?

Nope

2. Does your design effect/change the placement of an enemy's Order Markers, or remove their Order Markers entirely? Can it force Order Markers to go onto cards that have no figures on the battlefield? Can your design easily combine with other figures to completely dictate the placement of an enemy's Order Markers or remove all of their Order Markers?

Nope

3. Does your design inhibit your opponent from attacking your figures or make attacking a losing proposition? Are there scenarios or combinations that make your opponent totally unable to harm your figures through attacking?

Makes it less appealing to attack a single chosen figure. But not in any crazy overpowered way.

4. Does your design directly negate the powers of enemy figures or otherwise ignore them in a way that can completely disrupt the opponent's strategy or leave them feeling like they are stuck playing figures without special powers?

Nope

5. Does your design become overly powerful in a podded group of figures, or provide significant benefit to your army without leaving your Start Zone?

Nope

6. You can attack your own figures in Heroscape, does your design have any powers that will trigger off of doing so or otherwise wounding/destroying your own figures? Is this intentional on your part? Will the design be too efficient or potent when doing so?
Nope

CONSISTENCY CHECKLIST (SHORT FORM)

Spoiler Alert!

Consistency Concerns
Name and Identity
Verify character is named in a way that is clear, accurate and feels consistent with the way other characters are named.

Yep

Uniqueness and Type
Verify that the power text reflects the listed uniqueness and type, that the uniqueness fits the character, and that squad size is listed for squads.


Yep

Left Box
If the character's species, class or personality is reused, verify that the character feels thematically consistent with other figures that have that species, class or personality. If they are not reused, verify that there is no pre-existing species, class or personality that would make more sense.


Yep

Size and Height
Verify that the listed size and height are accurate. Standing the mini up next to a stack of tiles, and a few other minis of various sizes, is encouraged.


Yep

Super Strength and Flying
Verify that these special powers are present if they make sense, and not if they don't.


Yep

New Powers - Names
Verify that any new powers are not using power names identical to, or very similar to, pre-existing powers. Verify that any new powers are actually new and not old powers with new names.


Yep

New Powers - Effects
Verify that the effect and timing of all new powers is clear. Verify that any logical immunities, benefits, or weaknesses (whether those be necessary for thematic or mechanical reasons) are implemented: consider whether defensive powers that work against normal attacks should also work against special attacks, whether or not a power has an elemental component that some figures should resist, and whether or not unliving figures (such as Undead and Androids) should be affected.


Yep

Reused Powers
Verify that the design is reusing powers in place of creating new ones, where reused powers could implement the same theme and mechanics with no differences or only trivial differences. Verify that any reused powers have the correct text.


Yep

Power Level
Verify that the character's movement, attack, range, and defense (in conjunction with any special powers that enhance those stats) feel consistent with the capabilities of characters with analogous powers and abilities. Verify that the character falls into a similar point range to characters with comparative powers and abilities.

Yep

 

[tcglkn]

Re: The Book of Secret ~ Vote for Initial

Yea

 

[Tornado]

Re: The Book of Secret ~ Vote for Initial

Yea