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The Book of Samuel Brown

Anyone see any synergy I missed. I got the 4th Mass but I couldn't think of anything else.
 
Coming from wave 2, for a lot of people the 4th Mass aren't the most abundant squad in their collection. Most of the builds you're going to use Sam in will have 4th Mass too, so Sam will be a difficult figure to supply at the same time as your 4th. Proxying with a non 4th Mass sculpt is easy at home but not acceptable in tournaments.

I say the community votes on a similar 10th Reg fig to legally substitute as Sam. First, not many people play the 10th Reg and the 4th Mass in the same army, so you could use "Sam" without breaking one of your valueble 4 squads (well, Mass). Second, the 10th Reg have very similar positions to the 4th. This particular 4th doesn't really have a similar gun position as one of the 10th, but the gun isn't hittable anyways. So I say just choice the one with the most similar body pose and ignore gun position. All 10ths have a simlar hat and the extra non hittable things (like the hatchat or whatever) on Sam are small. Besides, LOS isn't that big of deal in a game; most of the time you can reason with your opponent about it or roll a dice. And this way the sculpts are pretty identical. Thoughts?
 
I say allow any 4th repaint to be used. If someone splits up one squad of 4th, they could supply 3 other people with a figure to repaint and use.

Other than DeD who no one used and the Wyrmlings, this guy has the cheapest Special Attack in the game.
 
I say allow any 4th repaint to be used. If someone splits up one squad of 4th, they could supply 3 other people with a figure to repaint and use.

Other than DeD who no one used and the Wyrmlings, this guy has the cheapest Special Attack in the game.
Roman Archers are 55 and have a special attack, but like DeD they aren't used much.
 
First time for everything.

I might have to try my hand at a repaint for the first time, now to find an extra 4th figure. Damn you eBay!
 
I say allow any 4th repaint to be used. If someone splits up one squad of 4th, they could supply 3 other people with a figure to repaint and use.

I like this idea. 4 Samuel Brown's per 4th Mass squad really makes this guy more accessible for everyone. I myself wouldn't mind not having the official sculpt as long as it is painted. Even a 10th Reg, fig will do.
This must have been a hard unit to keep under wraps for so long. :lol:
He has such a cool power I am glad we finally get to see it. It's hard to believe Wizards had something like this in their back pocket and didn't use it for Gencon.
 
I was already thinking along these lines:

I say the community votes on a similar 10th Reg fig to legally substitute as Sam. First, not many people play the 10th Reg and the 4th Mass in the same army, so you could use "Sam" without breaking one of your valueble 4 squads (well, Mass).

I say allow any 4th repaint to be used. If someone splits up one squad of 4th, they could supply 3 other people with a figure to repaint and use.

I believe we should use both of these ideas. Being able to repaint any 10th as Sam would allow for the most efficient use of figures. 10th are still available, and using all 4 figs would be better than wasteing the remaining figs.

Also, because Truth thanked Hextr1p for creating the card, it believe that this was done recently. We could ask (beg, cajole, etc) Hextr1p to change it to a repainted 10th. (Or even better, create 4 cards for the different 10ths)

At any rate, I am very excited by this developement. Thanks to Truth and the rest for getting this Hero unlocked. Also thanks to Hextr1p for what he has already done (and may do in the future, see above)
 
Also, because Truth thanked Hextr1p for creating the card, it believe that this was done recently. We could ask (beg, cajole, etc) Hextr1p to change it to a repainted 10th. (Or even better, create 4 cards for the different 10ths)
Yeah, that's a pretty good idea. It would make for 8 different kinds of Sam, though... I still like it, it would make it easier and more accessible.
 
It's going to be up to the tourney directors, but I doubt either of those will be allowed at Gencon. You couldn't just sub in a Krav or a different Nakita for Skahen; you had to use her sculpt. I hate to be a Debbie Downer (that's a lie, actually; I love her), but I just don't see that happening in "official" tournaments. That said, house rule away!
 
It's going to be up to the tourney directors, but I doubt either of those will be allowed at Gencon. You couldn't just sub in a Krav or a different Nakita for Skahen; you had to use her sculpt. I hate to be a Debbie Downer (that's a lie, actually; I love her), but I just don't see that happening in "official" tournaments. That said, house rule away!

I agree with Cleon that a 10th should simply be used. As far as units like Skahen, the difference is that for Skahen, Hawthorne, etc., actual cards were printed and figures made. Also, Scape was more available in stores. I doubt that tourney directors will really care in this case.
 
It's going to be up to the tourney directors, but I doubt either of those will be allowed at Gencon. You couldn't just sub in a Krav or a different Nakita for Skahen; you had to use her sculpt. I hate to be a Debbie Downer (that's a lie, actually; I love her), but I just don't see that happening in "official" tournaments. That said, house rule away!

I agree with Cleon that a 10th should simply be used. As far as units like Skahen, the difference is that for Skahen, Hawthorne, etc., actual cards were printed and figures made. Also, Scape was more available in stores. I doubt that tourney directors will really care in this case.

Heh, even at Gencon I was able to sub in Charos as Sujoah.
 
I used Elite Onyx Vipers in the GenCon main event in place of a Venoc squad and wad allowed. I'd say you only have to mark a Mass figure to use Sam.
 
I could see 4 people going in together to split the purchase price of a pack of 4th Mass, paint all of 4 of the figures with brown coats, and then just divide them up. It doesn't have to be this exact figure out of the pack. That is, of course, if you can find them....

If you're hinting at what I think you are, then I'll definitely be one of the four to pitch in. ;)
 
I could see 4 people going in together to split the purchase price of a pack of 4th Mass, paint all of 4 of the figures with brown coats, and then just divide them up. It doesn't have to be this exact figure out of the pack. That is, of course, if you can find them....

If you're hinting at what I think you are, then I'll definitely be one of the four to pitch in. ;)

Chas, Sheram, Kolakoski and I are going to do that with a repainted 10th Regiment (I will supply it, Charley with paint it, and those two will thank us ;) ). It's basically the same thing.

Also, as someone pointed out, a person is not lkely to use both the 10th and 4th in one army, so just take one 10th as is and use it as Sam with the 4th.
 
Ebay has some descent auctions going on now for the wave 2 pack. I for one plan on repainting the sculpt from my 3rd sqaud when it comes in :) Sam is just to good not to. All you need is a little browan and white paint. Skahen all I used was a bit of black paint and bam :D
 
I don't have any 4th at all. :( I'm going to be looking on Ebay to see if they have any of the "2 squads one card" thing so I can have one squad to keep and one squad to repaint (or attempt to).
 
Also, because Truth thanked Hextr1p for creating the card, it believe that this was done recently. We could ask (beg, cajole, etc) Hextr1p to change it to a repainted 10th. (Or even better, create 4 cards for the different 10ths)
Yeah, that's a pretty good idea. It would make for 8 different kinds of Sam, though... I still like it, it would make it easier and more accessible.
Make no mistake here, the sculpt on the card is the official one to use.

If you want to proxy in your home games, knock yourselves out but the chosen figure is the official one.

Also there is no going back to the well here fellas. This is the unit how it was intended to be released. He is a 4th Mass repaint. There will not be a 10th version or an alternate 4th sculpt version. This is it.

This is the swan song. This guy is recognized as an official unit with the sculpt depicted on the card.

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Remember with "official" it is the sculpt that matters, not the paint; you don't have to paint a 4th to play this guy. If not painting, you will probably need some form of designator like you would use for multiple uncommons.
 
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Also, because Truth thanked Hextr1p for creating the card, it believe that this was done recently. We could ask (beg, cajole, etc) Hextr1p to change it to a repainted 10th. (Or even better, create 4 cards for the different 10ths)
Yeah, that's a pretty good idea. It would make for 8 different kinds of Sam, though... I still like it, it would make it easier and more accessible.
Make no mistake here, the sculpt on the card is the offical one to use.

If you want to proxy in your home games, knock yourselves out but the chosen figure is the official one.

Also there is no going back to the well here fellas. This is the unit how it was intended to be released. He is a 4th Mass repaint. There will not be a 10th version or an alternate 4th sculpt version. This is it.

This is the swan song. This guy is recognized as an official unit with the sculpt depicted on the card.
Exactly! He can't be official unless he has an official sculpt. Anything else is a proxy (which I use all the time).
 
So will this guy actually be allowed into tournaments then? Also, how much of your army can you proxy when you play at GenCon?

For instance could you take 4 squads of 10th and proxy them as 4th?
 
There seems to be some proxy confusion going on.

Proxies are not allowed at Gen Con tournaments period. You cannot substitute 10th for 4th, and you cannot substitute a 10th soldier for Sam anymore than you could use Parmenio as Spartacus.

You are allowed to use repaints, however. I was able to use EOV as Venocs because they're just repaints - the sculpts are exactly the same. Therefore, you could use THE 4th that represents Sam as Sam without painting him. If you played an unpainted Sam with the 4th, you'd have to mark him somehow.
 
Therefore, you could use THE 4th that represents Sam as Sam without painting him. If you played an unpainted Sam with the 4th, you'd have to mark him somehow.

Or you could go ahead and paint that particular sculpt, and sometimes play him as Sam, and other times play him as a member of a complete squad.
 
The mini is the mini "officially" so IMHO it should be that figure but...
If we're to use the figure and re-paint him the question remains as to what to do with the other three.
I'm planning on asking C3V to come up with a three man squad for a repaint of the rest of the squad!
 
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