The Book of Robin ('66)

[FreshFoods]

The Book of Robin ('66)

C3G DC WAVE 47
TRINITY

Comic PDF

Mini PDF

The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Batman Classic TV Series set.
Its model number and name are #003 / Robin.

Current Glyphs of Utility​

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Character Bio - The plucky Boy Wonder, Robin is the ward of Bruce Wayne, and Batman's loyal sidekick. With a 'Holy _____, Batman!", ready to go at any occasion, Robin keeps his utility belt full as he and Batman defend Gotham City as the Dynamic Duo.
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-Rulings and Clarifications-

• N/A

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-Combinations and Synergies-

Incoming Synergy:

• As a Human, Robin has these Human Synergies.
• Robin may take a turn after a Crime Fighter you control with "Holy Smokes, Batman!" and may attack during that turn if that figure is a Valiant Crime Fighter.
• As a Crime Fighter, Robin has these Crime Fighter Synergies.

Outgoing Synergy:

• N/A

Immunities, Benefits, and Weaknesses:

• N/A

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-Strategy, Tactics and Tips-

• N/A

-Heroscapers Community Contributions-

• Initial playtest: FreshFoods
• Second playtest: IAmBatman
• Third playtest: Karat
• Art: Comic, Figure, Background
• Card Art by Dr. Jekyll

 

[FreshFoods]

NAME = Robin (‘66)
SECRET IDENTITY = DICK GRAYSON

SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = CRIME FIGHTER
PERSONALITY = ENTHUSIASTIC

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 3

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 3
DEFENSE = 4

POINTS = 60

UTILITY BELT 1
At the start of the game, after Order Markers are placed and before initiative is rolled, you may place one Utility Equipment Glyph of your choice on this card. Robin cannot lose this glyph by receiving wounds unless he is destroyed.

“HOLY SMOKES, BATMAN!”
After revealing an Order Marker on the card of a Unique Crime Fighter Hero you control and taking a turn with that Hero, if Robin is within 6 clear sight spaces of that Crime Fighter, you may take an immediate turn with Robin. During this turn Robin can only attack if the Crime Fighter you took a turn with has the Valiant personality. You may not take any additional turns.

SOCK!
When Robin attacks an adjacent figure with his normal attack and no skulls are rolled, you may count all shields rolled as hits.



Original design :

Spoiler Alert!

NAME = Robin (‘66)
SECRET IDENTITY = DICK GRAYSON

SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = CRIME FIGHTER
PERSONALITY = ENTHUSIASTIC

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 3

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 3
DEFENSE = 4

POINTS = 60

“HOLY SMOKES, BATMAN!”
If Robin moves adjacent to an enemy figure or an opponent’s unengaged figure moves adjacent to Robin, you may choose a Batman you control within 6 clear sight spaces of Robin. Place the chosen Batman figure adjacent to Robin and the figure Robin is engaged to. Figures moved by this special power will not take leaving engagement attacks.

SOCK!
When Robin attacks an adjacent figure with his normal attack and no skulls are rolled, you may count all shields rolled as hits.

DYNAMIC DUO
After attacking with this figure, if a Valiant Crime Fighter you control is also adjacent to the defending figure, you may immediately attack with that Valiant Crime Fighter.

 

[FreshFoods]

Comic art

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Mini art

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Background

Something like Batman '66 works for me, but artist choice.

 

[FreshFoods]

Re: The Book of Robin ('66) - Design

Pretty simple guy, wants to hangout with Batman ‘66 and work with him. Will probably have checklists up in a day or two

 

[Soundwarp SG-1]

Re: The Book of Robin ('66) - Design

So meant to comment on this earlier, but this design feels weirdly reversed?

Like Sidekick stuff has the Hero dude get the OMs/turns and the Sidekick work with that. Not have the Sidekick be a command and control unit.

Like right now if you just have him and Batman 66 as your efficiency you have to put the OMs on his squishy butt, which feels bad/sub-optimal.

Feels like he's only really worth it if you're like... routing from Ms. Marvel to him to Batman or something. Which seems a weird thing to encourage. Like they should hold up as partners by themselves without a third party.


Should be "figure named Batman" for the Holy Smokes power.

Also, Holy Smokes Batman probably needs to be limited to once per turn or something?

Assuming he's only supposed to teleport a Batman when first becoming adjacent to enemies (which I think is the idea but isn't super clear right now), throwing in Weather Wizard (or the enemy having a VDO) still lets you teleport up a whole team of Batmen up in one turn just by hopping beside an enemy over and over. Granted, the space restriction stops that from being super crazy like it would if he could yonk Batmen from his start zone, but it's still just a weird thing that probably shouldn't be encouraged.

 

[FreshFoods]

Re: The Book of Robin ('66) - Design

So meant to comment on this earlier, but this design feels weirdly reversed?

Like Sidekick stuff has the Hero dude get the OMs/turns and the Sidekick work with that. Not have the Sidekick be a command and control unit.

Like right now if you just have him and Batman 66 as your efficiency you have to put the OMs on his squishy butt, which feels bad/sub-optimal.

Feels like he's only really worth it if you're like... routing from Ms. Marvel to him to Batman or something. Which seems a weird thing to encourage. Like they should hold up as partners by themselves without a third party.


Should be "figure named Batman" for the Holy Smokes power.

Also, Holy Smokes Batman probably needs to be limited to once per turn or something?

Assuming he's only supposed to teleport a Batman when first becoming adjacent to enemies (which I think is the idea but isn't super clear right now), throwing in Weather Wizard (or the enemy having a VDO) still lets you teleport up a whole team of Batmen up in one turn just by hopping beside an enemy over and over. Granted, the space restriction stops that from being super crazy like it would if he could yonk Batmen from his start zone, but it's still just a weird thing that probably shouldn't be encouraged.

Could change Duo to something like this ;

DYNAMIC DUO
Once per player turn, after revealing an Order Marker and taking a turn with Robin or a Valiant Crime Fighter you control, you may immediately move or attack with the other figure.

Phone posting so wording isn’t great, but the idea is that it’s A stronger iteration of Duo, but lets you keep OMs on Batman ‘66 while still letting Robin do stuff, and disincentives Ms. Marvel or Robot or whatever. Also should let you do something like

Take a turn with Batman > move Robin adjacent to an enemy > swoop Batman in towards the enemy with HSB

Which sounds pretty solid.

You’re right about the idea of HSB. Could put a turn restriction there if that would help any funkiness?

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Robin ('66) - Design

Fwiw, I feel like if we're going to use the Dynamic Duo name, it should be reusable with other Batman/Robin combinations in the future. I could definitely see another take on comics Dick Grayson Robin, and wanting to use that power name, so having it be the power name for the power tied specifically to Batman '66 isn't setting well for me.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Robin ('66) - Design

Could see a change to something like "DYNAMIC DO-GOODERS". I could also see slimming down to a two power card.


NAME = Robin (‘66)
SECRET IDENTITY = DICK GRAYSON

SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = CRIME FIGHTER
PERSONALITY = ENTHUSIASTIC

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 3

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 3
DEFENSE = 4

POINTS = 60

“HOLY SMOKES, BATMAN!”
After taking a turn with a Valiant Crime Fighter you control, if that Valiant Crime Fighter is within 6 clear sight spaces of Robin and is engaged, you may place Robin on an empty space adjacent to that Valiant Crime Fighter and at least one enemy figure. Then, if that Valiant Crime Fighter is named Batman, you may attack with Robin. Figures moved by this special power will not take leaving engagement attacks.

SOCK!
When Robin attacks an adjacent figure with his normal attack and no skulls are rolled, you may count all shields rolled as hits.

 

[fret_gurglo]

Re: The Book of Robin ('66) - Design

to bats 2 power suggestion

 

[FreshFoods]

Re: The Book of Robin ('66) - Design

Really dig that direction Bats. Only thing I'd change is moving with any Batman, and attacking with a Valiant Crime Fighter.

“HOLY SMOKES, BATMAN!”
After taking a turn with a figure named Batman you control, if that Batman is within 6 clear sight spaces of Robin and is engaged, you may place Robin on an empty space adjacent to that Batman and at least one enemy figure. Then, if that Batman is a Valiant Crime Fighter, you may attack with Robin. Figures moved by this special power will not take leaving engagement attacks.

So something like that. I do think this direction loses out on Batman swooping in to save Robin (which happens pretty often in the show from what I've heard) but its not a huge deal. I definitely still feel the overall theme is there for the duo.
@IAmBatman , I think I've seen you say you were really into the show. Does Robin use gadgets much? Would Utility Belt 1 here make sense?

Also, I assume no crossover symbol here right?

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Robin ('66) - Design

Uh, I mean, I've seen a few episodes? My mom was really into it. I think Batman usually pulled out the wacky gadgets rather than him.

Looks like Batman '66 doesn't have a crossover symbol. Not sure what our criteria was for assigning those as it's been a while. He's definitely in a different dimension than the standard Dick Grayson.

 

[FreshFoods]

Re: The Book of Robin ('66) - Design

Gotcha, I think he's fine without Utility Belt if he's usually gadget free.

Yeah, I feel like adding a crossover symbol to Batman '66 and this guy would make sense, but I'm not really gonna push too hard for it if Batman doesn't already have it.

Updated SP with current design.

 

[tcglkn]

Re: The Book of Robin ('66) - Design

Should be “a figure you control named…”

 

[FreshFoods]

Re: The Book of Robin ('66) - Design

Should be “a figure you control named…”

Fixed, thanks!

 

[FreshFoods]

Re: The Book of Robin ('66) - Design

Been reading the Batman '66 comics, there's WAY more of these than I expected. Anyway, Utility Belt 1 definitely tracks here. Robin is throwing some gadget, usually a batarang, every couple of issues. I can provide some examples if anyone is worried about it, but I'm gonna add that power, and do checklists sometime today.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Robin ('66) - Design

Works for me.

 

[Soundwarp SG-1]

Re: The Book of Robin ('66) - Design

I think you get like a glyph slot free when doing glyph bringing mens?

If you want to run one.

Though IDK how that works if the glyph bringing is a change during the design.

But anyways, might be something to ask about with someone who actually knows/cares about the rules if you want to run a glyph of BatAnti-Canary with a Machine Gun Shield or whatnot.

 

[Arch-vile]

Re: The Book of Robin ('66) - Design

Looking good.

I'd consider just reusing Pow! rather than tweaking it to Sock!, but I'm guessing your goal is to keep Robin on the cheaper side. In which case, using a less powerful version of Pow! makes sense.

 

[FreshFoods]

Re: The Book of Robin ('66) - Design

COMPETITIVE REVIEW BOARD CHECKLIST

Spoiler Alert!

Efficiency- Check to see if your design is providing armies with turns/moves/etc. to a degree that would make it difficult or impossible for an opponent to keep up with your output.

1. Does your design allow itself or figures to move/attack/take a turn/etc. instead of/in addition to your normal turn for revealing an Order Marker? Is it granting these benefits to too broad a range of units? Does it combine with other powers to create overly long or powerful chains of actions?
Yeah, but 50% with a Batman, and it's only at max efficiency with Batman '66.

2. Does your design allow you to take actions during an opponent's turn? Can it combine with other powers to create tediously long reactions to enemy actions or a restrictive environment?
Nope

3. Does your design allow you to rearrange your Order Markers or otherwise bypass the costs of Order Marker requirements on the special powers of other figures?
Nah

4. Is your design doing anything outside of a player's turn, at the start or end of the round? Is the effect too powerful by itself or when combined with other powers?
Let's you grab a utility glyph, nothing crazy

5. Does your design have any powers that trigger anytime it moves as opposed to only when it moves normally on its turn? Will it be too efficient when combined with figures that grant extra moves to figures?
Nah

6. Is your design adding or subtracting from initiative rolls? Will it pair too easily with other figures that alter initiative or have powers triggering on the results of initiative rolls?
No

Potency- Check to see if your design is wounding/removing/etc. enemy figures, increasing the chances of other figures in your army doing so, or otherwise directly effecting the number of figures available to players to a degree that would make it difficult or impossible for an opponent to recover from.

1. Does your design have a chance to inflict wounds or destroy figures? Is it getting these chances too frequently or having to high a chance of success? Is the power balanced against expensive targets that can cause a massive swing in the game when destroyed?
Can attack on Batman '66s turn, but thats it

2. Is your design adding to the stats or 20-sided die rolls of other figures in your army? Is it a boosting a broad enough range of units effectively enough to become a 'mandatory' draft or inhibit future design space? Can it be combined with other boosts too easily?
No

3. Will your design benefit from stat boosts or other enhancement to an overpowering degree? Will it restrict future growth within its faction or point cost by limiting available boosts to others?
Sock! will get help from stat boosters or removers, kind of, but its nothing special.

4. Does your design take control of enemy figures permanently or temporarily? Is it too difficult to for your opponent to regain control of their figure or recover from the losing the figure? Does the method of taking control expose the enemy figure to the powers of other figures in your army that can easily destroy it?
Nope

5. Can your design heal itself or others or revive itself or others? Is it doing so in a way that an opponent cannot hope to overcome in certain scenarios?
No

6. Does your design place enemy figures on its card or otherwise have an unconventional method of temporarily removing enemy figures from play? Will it guarantee your victory against a single remaining enemy figure?
Nope

Chicanery- Check to see if your design is preventing your opponent from taking actions with too much ease or is otherwise causing negative play experience through tactics that make your opponent feel you're 'not playing fair'

1. Does your design restrict the movement of enemy figures, or allow you to move enemy figures? Can it do so in a way that results in an unwinnable scenario for your opponent if they are down to one figure, posses only figures with a range of 1, etc.? Can your design easily combine with other figures to greatly impede enemy figures or otherwise gain an excessive advantage?
No

2. Does your design effect/change the placement of an enemy's Order Markers, or remove their Order Markers entirely? Can it force Order Markers to go onto cards that have no figures on the battlefield? Can your design easily combine with other figures to completely dictate the placement of an enemy's Order Markers or remove all of their Order Markers?
No

3. Does your design inhibit your opponent from attacking your figures or make attacking a losing proposition? Are there scenarios or combinations that make your opponent totally unable to harm your figures through attacking?
No

4. Does your design directly negate the powers of enemy figures or otherwise ignore them in a way that can completely disrupt the opponent's strategy or leave them feeling like they are stuck playing figures without special powers?
No

5. Does your design become overly powerful in a podded group of figures, or provide significant benefit to your army without leaving your Start Zone?
Nope, he's gotta be fairly close to his Batman

6. You can attack your own figures in Heroscape, does your design have any powers that will trigger off of doing so or otherwise wounding/destroying your own figures? Is this intentional on your part? Will the design be too efficient or potent when doing so?
Nah

CONSISTENCY CHECKLIST (SHORT FORM)

Spoiler Alert!

Consistency Concerns
Name and Identity
Verify character is named in a way that is clear, accurate and feels consistent with the way other characters are named.
Yup

Uniqueness and Type
Verify that the power text reflects the listed uniqueness and type, that the uniqueness fits the character, and that squad size is listed for squads.
Good to go

Left Box
If the character's species, class or personality is reused, verify that the character feels thematically consistent with other figures that have that species, class or personality. If they are not reused, verify that there is no pre-existing species, class or personality that would make more sense.
All logical reuses

Size and Height
Verify that the listed size and height are accurate. Standing the mini up next to a stack of tiles, and a few other minis of various sizes, is encouraged.
Gonna have to check with someone who has the figure, but every other Robin is Medium 4

Super Strength and Flying
Verify that these special powers are present if they make sense, and not if they don't.
Not on this card

New Powers - Names
Verify that any new powers are not using power names identical to, or very similar to, pre-existing powers. Verify that any new powers are actually new and not old powers with new names.
All good to go. Sock! plays off of Batman '66s Pow!

New Powers - Effects
Verify that the effect and timing of all new powers is clear. Verify that any logical immunities, benefits, or weaknesses (whether those be necessary for thematic or mechanical reasons) are implemented: consider whether defensive powers that work against normal attacks should also work against special attacks, whether or not a power has an elemental component that some figures should resist, and whether or not unliving figures (such as Undead and Androids) should be affected.
Can work under any Batman, but really gels with his Batman.

Reused Powers
Verify that the design is reusing powers in place of creating new ones, where reused powers could implement the same theme and mechanics with no differences or only trivial differences. Verify that any reused powers have the correct text.
Could reuse Pow! but would likely bring his price up some and I want him at 60

Power Level
Verify that the character's movement, attack, range, and defense (in conjunction with any special powers that enhance those stats) feel consistent with the capabilities of characters with analogous powers and abilities. Verify that the character falls into a similar point range to characters with comparative powers and abilities.

 

[FreshFoods]

Re: The Book of Robin ('66) - Design

I propose we move the Boy Wonder to initial playtesting

 

[Arch-vile]

Re: The Book of Robin ('66) - Vote for initial

yea

I think it'd be a good idea to get a crossover symbol here and on Batman '66. They're clearly their own thing separate from mainline continuity, much like the MCU or Arrowverse designs.

 

[tcglkn]

Re: The Book of Robin ('66) - Vote for initial

We already specifically discussed it for Batman and decided against it. I don’t see any reason we should reopen that discussion.

 

[Arch-vile]

Re: The Book of Robin ('66) - Vote for initial

My thought was that our understanding of the symbol evolved since then. Like I had no idea we were using it on MCU designs initially.

 

[Soundwarp SG-1]

Re: The Book of Robin ('66) - Vote for initial

yea

I'd be down for crossover symbol here and on Bats, since they're clearly not the mainstream ones, but I don't really care enough to fight about it.

 

[Tornado]

Re: The Book of Robin ('66) - Vote for initial

Yea