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The Book of Poison Ivy (II)

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The Book of Poison Ivy (II)

C3G DC WAVE 26
WOMEN OF WONDER

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The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Batman set.
Its model number and name are #034/Poison Ivy.​

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Character Bio - A brilliant botanical biochemist, Pamela Isley is a fervent eco-terrorist out to save the world's plant life by any means necessary. She often finds herself at odds with Batman, though they have, on occasion, fought on the same side. She has had a long friendship with Harley Quinn and is responsible for Harley's meta-human abilities. Ivy, Harley, and Catwoman later teamed up as the Gotham City Sirens. Post-New 52, she was a member of the Birds of Prey for a time before betraying them to further her cause. - Comic Vine
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-Rulings and Clarifications-
  • Q: In Mother Nature, what exactly does it mean that a figure's "entire normal movement consists of grass and swamp spaces"?
  • A: It works just like the road movement bonus. In order for a figure's entire movement to consist of grass and swamp spaces, the figure has to start on a grass or swamp space and only move onto grass or swamp spaces for its entire movement, including the additional move granted by Mother Nature.
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-Combinations and Synergies-

Incoming Synergy:Outgoing Synergy:
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-Immunities, Benefits, and Weaknesses-

Immunities:
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Benefits
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-Strategy, Tactics and Tips-
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-Heroscapers Community Contributions-
 
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NAME = POISON IVY
SECRET IDENTITY = PAMELA ISLEY

SPECIES = METAHUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = CRIMINAL
PERSONALITY = MANIPULATIVE

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 4

LIFE = 6

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 3
DEFENSE = 3

POINTS = 175

PLANT ANIMATION 12
After moving and instead of attacking, roll the 20-sided die for all opponents' figures within two spaces of an Evergreen Tree or Jungle Piece that is within 6 spaces of Poison Ivy, one at a time. If you roll 12 or higher, the figure receives one wound.

TOXIC LOVE 12
After taking a turn with Poison Ivy, you may roll the 20-sided die. If you roll 12 or higher, you may either choose a figure adjacent to Poison Ivy to receive one wound, or, if Poison Ivy is on a grass space, swamp space, or adjacent to an Evergreen Tree or Jungle Piece, you may remove one Wound Marker from this card.

MOTHER NATURE
While Poison Ivy is in play, all figures you control without the Super Strength special power add 1 to their Defense number while adjacent to an Evergreen Tree or Jungle Piece, and may add 2 to their Move number if their entire normal movement consists of grass and swamp spaces.
 
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No issues. My only question is whether we do want to go with Criminal for class - she does have history with the Suicide Squad and all but there's a lot of synergy there we may not want to hook her into. Time and testing will tell, though.

Otherwise I'd suggest something like "TOXIC LOVE" for the healing/wounding power but maybe that's just me. :D
 
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I like the idea of putting her into the Criminal web. Robust though it is, it gives her a big differentiating factor from Ivy I and it makes it easier for her to find her way into Batman villain team ups. Suicide Squad is a nice bonus.
 
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I'd be fine with Siren, but there's no synergy for that. It's fitting though, given how she operates.
 
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I am fine with Siren or Criminal but Criminal is going to have a heavy tax.
 
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I really like where this design is at, no issues. :up:
 
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I'd be fine with the name "Toxic Love" as well johnny. I'm pretty satisfied with the design itself, so little name changes or a class change, I'm on board with if that's what people are wanting.
 
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As far as the Criminal synergy goes, after looking through each Criminal we have in the archive, there's about 50% more that have SS vs. non-SS(Non: 10, SS: 16), so she's really not offering the group a ton of value. She however, would be the one who is benefited by things such as Hush's Vendetta attack boost, Wizard's increased movement, or Lex Corp's attack boost etc. Though she's a relatively light hitter as-is, so attack boosts aren't really a great bonus to her, nor is the movement when she's offering herself +1 movement in most cases.

There's also not a lot of thematic pairings in the group for her to really thrive on, other than a couple of Arkham buddies, and the fact that they are criminals...
 
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The Lex tie-in is thematic at least. I like it for Suicide Squad reasons and for differentiating her from 1.0
 
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I'm certainly not against Criminal for her class, I'm just breaking it down to see what it's actually offering her, and what she's offering the group.

What she's offering the group seems to be minimal, as most of the Criminals that are actually decent threats, have Superstrength, thus are unaffected by her bonuses. So that shouldn't really hurt her cost much at all. As for what she's gaining from being a Criminal:
  • Activated by Kingpin
  • Activated by The Hood
  • Activated by Hush's Master Manipulator
  • 1 extra attack when Hush takes a turn with her
  • 1 extra attack when Lex Corp takes a turn with her
  • Extra leaving engagement from Lex (I)
  • 1 extra movement from Wizard
The only thing that jumps out as sort of decent is she can prevent Lex (I) from being attacked as long as she is alive, but Sandman already does this and has a more reliable healing ability, as well as better stats. Other than that, I suppose offering a combined +2 movement when teaming her and Wizard, but even that isn't that great, especially when it's limited to non-Superstrength figures.

So I don't see much cost increase due to being a Criminal, maybe 10 points at most?

Regardless, I'm indifferent on Criminal vs. Siren. Heck, we could even throw Terrorist into the mix. Not a very good synergy for her though. I kind of like the idea of class being meaningless for her, and the non-Superstrength being more defining for her synergy wise. After all, we're trying to encourage the Sirens, Birds of Prey, and Arkham team ups more than anything. Suicide Squad is a neat bonus though.
 
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Arkham said:
I kind of like the idea of class being meaningless for her, and the non-Superstrength being more defining for her synergy wise.
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This is where I am at but I won't fight Criminal if everyone else really wants it.

One edit that jumped out at me.

MOTHER NATURE
If there is at least 1 Order Marker on this Army Card, figures you control without the Superstrength Special Power move 1 additional space when starting their turn on a grass or swamp space, and roll 1 additional defense die when adjacent to an Evergreen Tree or Jungle Piece.
 
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Not familiar with her, but I'm just going to fling Outlaw out there as a possibility to see if it sticks. :)
 
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I feel like, even going beyond the current slate of Criminal synergy (there are only a few exceptionally strong thematic combos with Amanda Waller, Two-Face II, and Hush, but most of the general criminal stuff fits well enough), making her a Criminal is just a good future-proofing move. As an example, it'll definitely keep her relevant with whatever LO and I end up doing for the Injustice stuff (where she's definitely thematic).

I can see the appeal in not having a big class synergy focus, but I think making her a Criminal will make her a little easier to include in builds where you're likely to want her for thematic reasons.
 
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COMPETITIVE REVIEW BOARD CHECKLIST

Competitive Concerns
Does the design offer worrisome Order marker movement or efficiency? No.

Does the design offer superior Auto wounding? Plant Animation is a reused power. Potent but not broken. Adding in Nature's Toxins could be enough of a push, but I'd really just keep an eye on it.

Does the design cause the prevention of abilities (Blob, Polaris, Meteorite)? No.

Does the design move other figures? No.

Does the design boost other figures (outside of a narrowly defined set)? Yes. I'm not sure it's an insane boost, but it's not nothing.

Does the design have one or more excellent defensive powers? Mother Nature and Nature's Toxins are okay defensive powers.

Does the design auto destroy or take control of other figures in a way that unbalances the design? No.

Does the design have any other concerns? Criminal builds will be interesting. I don't expect any problems, but keep an eye on things.

Summary of Any Competitive Concerns/Suggestions for Changes: Just keep an eye on the auto wounds and Mother Nature. I suspect you'll be fine.

~Dysole, going green
 
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Ronin said:
As an example, it'll definitely keep her relevant with whatever LO and I end up doing for the Injustice stuff (where she's definitely thematic).
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Super off-topic, I just thought I ought to say that my plans for Injustice League Lex are on the back-burner at present - I'm happy with the design, and definitely want to do him, but Mordo, Avengers Stark, Symbiote Spidey and Scott Lang are higher priorities for me right now.
 
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I'm fine with settling on Criminal for the reasons mentioned. I don't think it should affect cost too much. I'm guessing she'll come in around 170-190(perhaps splitting at 175 or 185 so that the Animations can end in 5 to better coincide with Ivy I, II, and Floronic), which is fine.
 
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Arkham said:
I'm fine with settling on Criminal for the reasons mentioned. I don't think it should affect cost too much. I'm guessing she'll come in around 170-190(perhaps splitting at 175 or 185 so that the Animations can end in 5 to better coincide with Ivy I, II, and Floronic), which is fine.
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Good call there.
 
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I'm good with whatever on her Class.

I get wanting to differentiate her from the original design, but wouldn't Insane be a better Personality choice to give her synergy with Harley Quinn? It also feels weird that this one is Seductive even though this is the design without Pheromone Seduction. :p

I'm cool with it, but what's the theme behind the move boost?

Otherwise, :up:
 
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The personality change to Seductive is to still represent that quality to her, much like we do with Insane even though other aspects of the card may not actually represent it. However, I'm not dead set on it. I'd be fine with Insane to keep the synergy with Harley, it's something I certainly considered.

The move boost would be the grass/terrain working with the person moving. Less resistance, less chance for falter, and the terrain is actively pushing the person along. Perhaps we make it the same as road, in that the person has to spend their entire movement on grass or swamp?
 
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Alright, I'm thinking we stick with Criminal, and run with Insane to keep the synergy with Harley, as well as Hugo.
 
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Lazy Orang said:
Ronin said:
As an example, it'll definitely keep her relevant with whatever LO and I end up doing for the Injustice stuff (where she's definitely thematic).
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Super off-topic, I just thought I ought to say that my plans for Injustice League Lex are on the back-burner at present - I'm happy with the design, and definitely want to do him, but Mordo, Avengers Stark, Symbiote Spidey and Scott Lang are higher priorities for me right now.
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Yeah, I know that stuff is a long ways from ever happening, but I thought it would be helpful to throw out a concrete example. Criminal is a synergy that's likely to get more going for it either way, though.

Should probably curtail this talk so I don't have as much to redact later.

Arkham said:
Alright, I'm thinking we stick with Criminal, and run with Insane to keep the synergy with Harley, as well as Hugo.
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I'm ambivalent on Insane. I feel like she's portrayed as having her act a little too together to really qualify as Insane in more recent stuff (and some older stuff), but I'm not 100% on that, and I understand wanting to push the Harley synergy.
 
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