The Book of Odin

[tcglkn]

The Book of Odin

C3G MARVEL SUPER SECRET EXCLUSIVE 36
ASGARD'S MIGHT

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The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Avengers Movie set.
Its model number and name are #042 / Odin.​

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Character Bio - Father of Thor, Balder, and adopted son Loki, Odin is King of Asgard and protects the Asgardian people. He has defeated the likes of Absorbing Man, Mangog, and Surtur. He sacrificed his right eye for the wisdom to prevent Ragnarok, and has died and been resurrected. He is capable of manipulating the Odin Force to affect the lifeforces of all Asgardians, but is vulnerable when he undertakes the Odinsleep to regenerate himself.
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-Rulings and Clarifications-

• Odin is an Event Hero and follows Event Hero rules.

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-Combinations and Synergies-

Incoming Synergy:

• As an Asgardian, Odin has these Asgardian Synergies.

Outgoing Synergy:

• All Unique Asguardian Heroes add 1 to their life number due to Odin’s Odin Force special power. Current Unique Asgardian Heroes.
• Odin may active Asguardian Heroes with his Asgardian All Father special power. Current Asgardian Heroes.

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-Immunities, Benefits, and Weaknesses-

Immunities

• As a figure with the Valiant personality, Odin cannot be affected by Meteorite's Manipulation special power.
• As a Event Hero, Odin cannot be affected by aspects of certain special powers. Special Powers that Interact Differently with Event Heroes.
• As a figure with the Flying special power, Odin cannot be affected by aspects of certain special powers. Special Powers that Interact Differently with Flying.
• As a figure with the Super Strength special power, Odin cannot be affected by aspects of certain special powers. Special Powers that Interact Differently with Super Strength.

Benefits

• As a Event Hero, Odin interacts differently with certain special powers. Special Powers that Interact Differently with Event Heroes.
• As an Asgardian, Odin may bypass Destroyer Armor's Odin's Life-Force Enchantment special power.
• As a figure with the Super Strength special power, Odin interacts differently with certain special powers. Special Powers that Interact Differently with Super Strength.

Weaknesses

• As a figure with the Flying special power, Odin interacts differently with certain special powers. Special Powers that Interact Differently with Flying.
• As a Event Hero, Odin interacts differently with certain special powers. Special Powers that Interact Differently with Event Heroes.
• As a figure with the Valiant personality, Odin adds 4 to Loki's God of Evil roll if he is the chosen figure.

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-Strategy, Tactics and Tips-

• N/A

-Heroscapers Community Contributions-

• Initial playtest: tcglkn
• Second playtest: Scapemage
• Third playtest: Margloth
• Fourth playtest: quozl
• First retest: Scapemage
• Second retest: quozl
• Comic, Mini pics, Background
• Art by Flame Gryphon

Alternative custom figure!

 

[tcglkn]

Re: The Book of Odin: Design

NAME = ODIN
SECRET IDENTITY = ODIN BORSON

SPECIES = ASGARDIAN
UNIQUENESS = EVENT HERO
CLASS = KING
PERSONALITY = VALIANT

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 8

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 4
ATTACK = 7
DEFENSE = 7

POINTS = 620

ODIN FORCE
All Unique Asgardian Heroes you control add 1 to their Life numbers while you control Odin on the battlefield.

ASGARDIAN ALL-FATHER
After revealing an Order Marker on this card and instead of taking a turn with Odin, you may roll 12 combat dice. Take a turn with up to X other Asgardian Heroes you control, where X equals the number of blanks rolled.

ODINSLEEP
If there are 5 or more Wound Markers on this card at the end of any round, place the white Raven Marker on this card. While the Raven Marker is on this card, Order Markers may not be revealed on this card, and Odin cannot move, attack, or use any special power on any other Army Card or Glyph. At the end of the next round, if Odin has not been destroyed, remove the Raven Marker from the game and up to 2 Wound Markers from this card.

SUPER STRENGTH

FLYING

 

[Margloth]

Re: The Book of Odin: Design

Seems like he has the potential to come in at waaaaaaay more than 500 points, but I'd be okay with that.

 

[tcglkn]

Re: The Book of Odin: Design

Seems like he has the potential to come in at waaaaaaay more than 500 points, but I'd be okay with that.

Maybe I should just start leaving my initial point guestimates off these designs, because I honestly don't put much thought into them.

 

[Margloth]

Re: The Book of Odin: Design

Me either.

 

[tcglkn]

Re: The Book of Odin: Design

But hey, I guess if that's the only thing you can comment on, I should be proud.

 

[Margloth]

Re: The Book of Odin: Design

Design looks super solid. Nothing but tweaks here methinks!

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Odin: Design

He looks like a ton of fun. I think most of us have had a peek at him already at this point and are happy with what's here. He should be verrry interesting to cost, though, because he's worth more the more Asgardians you can put with him ... and Asgardians aren't cheap. He'll probably be pretty terrible in a 600-800 point army, and incredible in a 3000 point army. Tough.

 

[A3n]

Re: The Book of Odin: Design

He looks like a ton of fun. I think most of us have had a peek at him already at this point and are happy with what's here. He should be verrry interesting to cost, though, because he's worth more the more Asgardians you can put with him ... and Asgardians aren't cheap. He'll probably be pretty terrible in a 600-800 point army, and incredible in a 3000 point army. Tough.

these echo my own thoughts. Good design .

 

[Hahma]

Re: The Book of Odin: Design

Solid design Tickle! Looks to be pretty awesome fun

 

[tcglkn]

Re: The Book of Odin: Design

Odin

Knock! Knock! (Oh, dear. Here comes a stupid Knock-Knock joke.)
Who's there?
Odin?
Odin, who?
Odin the river and through the woods, to grandmother's house we go!

I just hope johnny139 and Lord Pyre don't see this.

And we have another Event Hero!

God of Wisdom
Oh, a flagbearer! It should be clear that if you roll more blanks than Heroes that you can't take more than one turn with any Hero.

Since Odin is an Asgardian Hero, someone might wonder if you can select Odin as one of the Heroes when rolling the blanks. I'm pretty certain you can't, but Emma Frost's ability to select herself for Psychic Proxy makes me doubt this. If you think it needs it, you could say, "with up to X other Asgardian Heroes."

Odinsleep
Wow, this guy doesn't need a Bruce Banner to heal.

Which is the default when not stated explicitly: you must place the marker, or you may place the marker?

Suppose Odin is next to Invisible Woman (weird draft, I know). I assume he couldn't get the +2 Force Field bonus based on the wording.

Odinforce


I don't think I've ever seen that bonus before. Very nice, indeed!

OdinFinalThoughts
There are a lot of brilliant ideas in this design, and you guys really know how to put the Event into the Event Heroes.

 

[tcglkn]

Re: The Book of Odin: Design

Wow, nice write up. This guy is pretty BA.

God of Wisdom is neat, but I'm a little concerned that it will be very swingy with an average of two turns being taken, but could easily go much higher. Obviously you'd risk not rolling any blanks, but like I said...swingy. Have you guys initialed this one? I like that you are using the "where X equals" language...it's much clearer to my mathy engineer mind.

Odinsleep: where it says, "remove the Odinsleep Marker from the game," does that mean you can only use Odinsleep once per game? It would be clearer to say "Remove the marker from the card. Odinsleep can only be used once per game." I wonder how often in a game Odin would survive to the end of the round while in Odinsleep. It should be fairly likely with defense 8. Perhaps lower the wounds required to 7 so that he's more likely to survive a full round of attacks. Also...thematically would Odin's defense still be as strong while he is asleep? Does he have some magical barrier that protects him? Or would his defense be reduced since he is just lying there?

Odinforce: Potentially game breaking for an Asgardian Hero army. This power basically reduces the cost (or increases the value) of potentially every other card in the army.

I think Odin is probably undercosted at 600.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Odin: Design

Lots to think about there!

 

[tcglkn]

Re: The Book of Odin: Design

Wow. A tough build to pull off. I like what you have. I'll make a few comments, below:

NAME = Odin

SECRET IDENTITY = Odin Borson

SPECIES = Asgardian
UNIQUENESS = Event Hero
CLASS = King
PERSONALITY = Valiant

SIZE/HEIGHT = Medium 5

LIFE = 10

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 4
ATTACK = 8
DEFENSE = 8 [Like all of this--King, Valiant, etc. Solid. Sure, he could be "Wise" but Valiant means something in Scape and I like the idea.]


POINTS = 600?

GOD OF WISDOM
After revealing an Order Marker on this card and instead of taking a turn with Odin, you may roll 12 combat dice. Take a turn with up to X Asgardian Heroes, where X equals the number of blanks rolled.

[I like this power. It will be hard to test, since that's a wide range of outcomes, but 2-3 is common and that is appropriate. He will definitely bring it when the dice are hot--wow!

Only qualm is the name. The power doesn't really match with the God of Wisdom to me (esp., since it's so random and unknowable--almost sounds satiric to put them together).

I'd go with another of his names for this power, esp one of these three:

• Alfodr, 'father of the gods';
• Veratyr, 'lord of men';
• Sidfodr, 'father of victories'.

Father of the Gods is the most straightforward for this power, but others could work as well.]



ODINSLEEP
If there are 8 or more Wound Markers on this card at the start of the round, place a white Odinsleep marker on this card. While the Odinsleep marker is on this card, Odin cannot move, attack, or use any other special power on any Army Card or Glyph. At the end of the round, if Odin has not been destroyed, remove the Odinsleep Marker from the game and up to 3 Wound Markers from this card.

[Hmm. Crazy power. I like the theme. One round is awfully fast, but I guess we have to choose mechanics over theme.

I'd almost rather a d20 at the beginning (or end) of each round, after placing the marker. Just to help have it last a bit longer.

A d20 at the beginning of every turn Odin is in play would be really interesting.

ODINSLEEP
Before placing Order Markers, at the beginning of each round, roll the 20-sided die. On an X or higher place the Odinsleep marker on this card or, if the marker is already here, remove the marker and up to 2 wound markers from this card. While the Odinsleep marker is on this card, Odin cannot move, attack, or use any other special power on any Army Card or Glyph.

Your call, but I like the way that will bring tension to the game. The X is your call.

Another way to do it is to say:

If the Odinsleep marker is not on this card, roll the d20, on a 17 or higher place it. If the Odinsleep is on this card, roll the d20 on a 7 or higher remove it.

It's not quite as elegant, but it's a nice way to keep him more in play than not.

Anyhow, a tough power to pull off. What you have is definitely good. Just wanted to riff a bit off of it. See if it was helpful to you or not.]


ODINFORCE
All Unique Asgardian Heroes you control add 1 to their Life value.

[Intriguing. I don't think I've ever thought of doing something like this. I assume this means that if Hero has his limit of wounds and Odin dies (or goes to sleep!) my Hero is dead. That's intriguing. A bit odd to have Life as a number fluctuate, but I think this might work...]

FLYING
SUPER STRENGTH

Well hope something in there was helpful. That is a hard build to try to pull off. Good luck as you keep at this one! Best, V

GOD OF WISDOM
Our aesthetic is to try and go with a God of X for our god designs when applicable, but if I were to change the name it would be to Asgardian All-Father.

I like Odinsleep being automatic just for simplicity here.

ODINFORCE
Should be boosted for the rest of the game so I think adding "for the rest of the game" to the end of that power would clear up my intent and lead to less questions.

Hope this helps.

 

[tcglkn]

Re: The Book of Odin: Design

These are the edits I am looking at right now:

NAME = Odin

SECRET IDENTITY = Odin Borson

SPECIES = Asgardian
UNIQUENESS = Event Hero
CLASS = King
PERSONALITY = Valiant

SIZE/HEIGHT = Medium 5

LIFE = 10

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 4
ATTACK = 8
DEFENSE = 8

POINTS = 600?

ASGARDIAN ALL-FATHER
After revealing an Order Marker on this card and instead of taking a turn with Odin, you may roll 12 combat dice. Take a turn with up to X Asgardian Heroes, where X equals the number of blanks rolled.

ODINSLEEP
If there are 7 or more Wound Markers on this card at the start of the round, place a white Odinsleep marker on this card. While the Odinsleep marker is on this card, Odin cannot move, attack, or use any other special power on any Army Card or Glyph. At the end of the round, if Odin has not been destroyed, remove the Odinsleep Marker from the game and up to 3 Wound Markers from this card.

ODINFORCE
All Unique Asgardian Heroes you control add 1 to their Life value for the rest of the game.

FLYING
SUPER STRENGTH

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Odin: Design

"For the rest of the game" is a good addition for sure.

I kind of like "FATHER OF GODS" as a name for the power, since it lines up well with the "GOD OF X" powers. It's still three words, but it just flips the script and puts "God" last and also feels like it's kind of referencing all those other powers, but showing he's above them all.

 

[johnny139]

Re: The Book of Odin: Design

I think you could just go with All-Father (or The All-Father) for the first power - I mean, that's what he's known as. Even if guys like Zeus are technically "all-fathers" they're generally not referred as such.

Also, Odin Force is two words.

 

[tcglkn]

Re: The Book of Odin: Design

Thinking over it though, I really wanted to reference Asgardian All-Father on this card as it is something he is called often and it is more specific to Asgardians not just gods in general (like Olympians, ect).

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Odin: Design

Works for me.

 

[Lord Pyre]

Re: The Book of Odin: Design

Loving this design so far! Adding life to Asgardians is awesome.

My only comment is maybe specify when to add the Odinsleep marker. It says at the beginning of the round, but is it before or after placing markers? I assume before, but it might be good to specify.

 

[tcglkn]

Re: The Book of Odin: Design

I think you could just go with All-Father (or The All-Father) for the first power - I mean, that's what he's known as. Even if guys like Zeus are technically "all-fathers" they're generally not referred as such.

Also, Odin Force is two words.

I prefer Asgardian All-Father over those. It has a nice ring to it.

And thanks, I wasn't sure and I just followed the Odinsleep thing. Should that be two words as well?

 

[tcglkn]

Re: The Book of Odin: Design

My only comment is maybe specify when to add the Odinsleep marker. It says at the beginning of the round, but is it before or after placing markers? I assume before, but it might be good to specify.

Good call. I might just say at the end of the round and fix that all together. Doesn't make a difference, but saves text.

 

[johnny139]

Re: The Book of Odin: Design

Odinsleep is one, Odin Force is two. Marvel Wikia uses Odin-Force but the only in-comic source I can verify has it as Odin Force, so I'd go with that one.

 

[Lord Pyre]

Re: The Book of Odin: Design

My only comment is maybe specify when to add the Odinsleep marker. It says at the beginning of the round, but is it before or after placing markers? I assume before, but it might be good to specify.

Good call. I might just say at the end of the round and fix that all together. Doesn't make a difference, but saves text.

Also, do we even need a marker? It's helpful, but not very convenient, and I'm sure anyone could figure out that it only lasts a round.

 

[tcglkn]

Re: The Book of Odin: Design

If you can remember it then just don't pull out the marker. I think it helps people remember that they are using it and that they have used it when it is gone so I'm in favor of the marker.

SP updated with all current feedback. I'll probably try to start the initial tomorrow and just run 3-4 Army tests since his HH and Squad tests won't show anything helpful.