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The Book of Mister Terrific (Terry Sloane)
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Re: The Book of Mister Terrific - Terry Sloane (Design Phase
Not good, because it lets them stack. So long as you're taking a turn with him through someone else's Order Marker (say, Hush) you can keep the powers in effect forever.
Either it has to be triggered both times by revealing an Order Marker on him, or both times by taking a turn with him.
Not good, because it lets them stack. So long as you're taking a turn with him through someone else's Order Marker (say, Hush) you can keep the powers in effect forever.
Either it has to be triggered both times by revealing an Order Marker on him, or both times by taking a turn with him.
Re: The Book of Mister Terrific - Terry Sloane (Design Phase
MAN OF A THOUSAND TALENTS
Before taking a turn with Mister Terrific, choose one of the following to be in affect until the next time you begin a turn with Mister Terrific:
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MAN OF A THOUSAND TALENTS
Before taking a turn with Mister Terrific, choose one of the following to be in affect until the next time you begin a turn with Mister Terrific:
- When Mister Terrific attacks with a normal attack or defends against a normal attack, you may re-roll any dice that show blanks once per roll; or
- When Mister Terrific or a figure within two spaces rolls the 20-sided die, you may add or subtract 1 from that roll; or
- Choose an opponent’s figure within 5 clear sight spaces of Mister Terrific. Whenever an Order Marker is revealed on the chosen figure's Army Card, you may immediately move Mister Terrific or a figure you control within clear sight of Mister Terrific up to 4 spaces.
Though I think "next time you begin a turn with Mister Terrific" might read better for the second part.
Re: The Book of Mister Terrific - Terry Sloane (Design Phase
That's a vastly different power though. There's nothing wrong with the original wording, "Before taking a turn with Mr. Terrific, choose one of the following to be in effect until the next time you reveal an Order Marker" works mechanically.
EDIT- Unless it was supposed to be 'reveal an order marker on Mr. Terrific" the whole time. Just how is this power intended to work? Can't really make competitive suggestions when it's so unclear what heck he's supposed to do.
That's a vastly different power though. There's nothing wrong with the original wording, "Before taking a turn with Mr. Terrific, choose one of the following to be in effect until the next time you reveal an Order Marker" works mechanically.
EDIT- Unless it was supposed to be 'reveal an order marker on Mr. Terrific" the whole time. Just how is this power intended to work? Can't really make competitive suggestions when it's so unclear what heck he's supposed to do.
TrollBrute
Who ISN'T One of My Brothers??
Re: The Book of Mister Terrific - Terry Sloane (Design Phase
Oh, that's a major difference from the way it originally read. It makes the second and third options a lot more potent.
Oh, that's a major difference from the way it originally read. It makes the second and third options a lot more potent.
Re: The Book of Mister Terrific - Terry Sloane (Design Phase
Yeah if the power is "take a turn with this guy once to activate D-20 boost for the rest of the game" ignore everything I said earlier. He best build is probably just as part of a Outcast D-20 army were you can get Typhoid Mary up to wounding on a 9+ or something.
Yeah if the power is "take a turn with this guy once to activate D-20 boost for the rest of the game" ignore everything I said earlier. He best build is probably just as part of a Outcast D-20 army were you can get Typhoid Mary up to wounding on a 9+ or something.
Re: Stone Cold
So long as you keep him within 2 spaces of Gorgon that entire time. That's got to count for something.
So long as you keep him within 2 spaces of Gorgon that entire time. That's got to count for something.
Re: Stone Cold
Oh yeah Gorgon is also an option, Mary is just a lot cheaper. That's a pretty big deal when you need to draft Mags, Sage, Destiny, and Mr. T to get the train up to full speed. 9+ (or 7+ if she goes Bloody Mary) wound and roll again is going to be pretty close to an auotokill a lot of the time anyway.
Oh yeah Gorgon is also an option, Mary is just a lot cheaper. That's a pretty big deal when you need to draft Mags, Sage, Destiny, and Mr. T to get the train up to full speed. 9+ (or 7+ if she goes Bloody Mary) wound and roll again is going to be pretty close to an auotokill a lot of the time anyway.
Re: The Book of Mister Terrific - Terry Sloane (Design Phase
Yea...that's seeming less and less worrisome to me.
Yea...that's seeming less and less worrisome to me.
weebaer
Active member
Re: The Book of Mister Terrific - Terry Sloane (Design Phase
Angel, or Even a toss from Magneto here and there may be worth it if you get the autokill. It still seems challenging in terms of point value and execution though. I wouldnt be too concerned.
Angel, or Even a toss from Magneto here and there may be worth it if you get the autokill. It still seems challenging in terms of point value and execution though. I wouldnt be too concerned.
Re: The Book of Mister Terrific - Terry Sloane(Vote for Init
Since there don't seem to be any major issues...I propose we move to Initial Playtesting. Feel free to suggest builds though.
@IAmBatman - Yea
@johnny139 - Yea
@SirGalahad - Yea
@TrollBrute - Yea
@Viegon - Yea
Since there don't seem to be any major issues...I propose we move to Initial Playtesting. Feel free to suggest builds though.
@IAmBatman - Yea
@johnny139 - Yea
@SirGalahad - Yea
@TrollBrute - Yea
@Viegon - Yea
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Re: The Book of Mister Terrific - Terry Sloane (Design Phase
Agreed on all of that. Another concept is to back off on Destiny/Sage/Mags, and pair him with Puppet Master or Mojo or something.
Agreed on all of that. Another concept is to back off on Destiny/Sage/Mags, and pair him with Puppet Master or Mojo or something.
Re: The Book of Mister Terrific - Terry Sloane(Vote for Init
It's less that the combo is super worrying*, it's more that that is probably going to be one of his strongest uses most likely (or some other random 20-sider army) instead of... any thing vaguely thematic, and I kind of thought part of the goal was to move away from that.
Also, he's another omni D-20 booster with no OM requirements, which there just can't be too many of in the long run (like 10, tops). Is this schmuck really worth a spot there? I've never understood why a nobody like Sage got to have a D-20 booster power so laughably superior to Dr. Fricking Fate's in the first place, but (even with a range restriction like Mr. T here) that's not something that can be given out too lightly.
*though it's not really that hard to keep everyone podded up, and while expensive all the 'support' figures there have other uses except destiny and she's cheap as the dickens. I think it could be viable in a reasonably high point game.
It's less that the combo is super worrying*, it's more that that is probably going to be one of his strongest uses most likely (or some other random 20-sider army) instead of... any thing vaguely thematic, and I kind of thought part of the goal was to move away from that.
Also, he's another omni D-20 booster with no OM requirements, which there just can't be too many of in the long run (like 10, tops). Is this schmuck really worth a spot there? I've never understood why a nobody like Sage got to have a D-20 booster power so laughably superior to Dr. Fricking Fate's in the first place, but (even with a range restriction like Mr. T here) that's not something that can be given out too lightly.
*though it's not really that hard to keep everyone podded up, and while expensive all the 'support' figures there have other uses except destiny and she's cheap as the dickens. I think it could be viable in a reasonably high point game.
I'd strongly suggest some sort of limit.
Re: The Book of Mister Terrific - Terry Sloane(Vote for Init
Honestly, with class/opponents restrictions on there, I think you could up the usefulness, just limit his abusive combinations (is the goal here really to make him rock with Magneto and Typhoid Mary?).
What would be wrong with:
I think that makes it simultaneously more useful in the right builds and less abusable in general.
Honestly, with class/opponents restrictions on there, I think you could up the usefulness, just limit his abusive combinations (is the goal here really to make him rock with Magneto and Typhoid Mary?).
What would be wrong with:
I think that makes it simultaneously more useful in the right builds and less abusable in general.
Margloth
More Interesting Than He Actually Is
Re: The Book of Mister Terrific - Terry Sloane(Vote for Init
Well, the abuse with that is that he becomes the perfect puppet for Puppet Master. Since the effect doesn't require an Order Marker, just a turn with Mr. Terrific, and lasts until he takes another turn, PM can just string pull him every once in a while to move him close, and then use his bonus constantly.
Of course, I haven't used Puppet Master since he was nerfed, so maybe this isn't as big of a concern.
A simple fix, if it becomes abusive, would simply be to allow him to only subtract 1 from rolls. Then he (for the most part) becomes ANTI-pod, rather than pro-pod. That seems more in line with his "let's keep this fair" theme anyway.
Well, the abuse with that is that he becomes the perfect puppet for Puppet Master. Since the effect doesn't require an Order Marker, just a turn with Mr. Terrific, and lasts until he takes another turn, PM can just string pull him every once in a while to move him close, and then use his bonus constantly.
Of course, I haven't used Puppet Master since he was nerfed, so maybe this isn't as big of a concern.
A simple fix, if it becomes abusive, would simply be to allow him to only subtract 1 from rolls. Then he (for the most part) becomes ANTI-pod, rather than pro-pod. That seems more in line with his "let's keep this fair" theme anyway.
Re: The Book of Mister Terrific - Terry Sloane(Vote for Init
I'd be down with it only being subtraction - then we could make the limit clear sight, honestly. He'd reduce negatives and help protect his team from D20 woundings. I guess that'd still make him pro-pod in a way, but not in a way I'd worry about too much.
I'd be down with it only being subtraction - then we could make the limit clear sight, honestly. He'd reduce negatives and help protect his team from D20 woundings. I guess that'd still make him pro-pod in a way, but not in a way I'd worry about too much.