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The Book of Ka-Zar

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The Book of Ka-Zar

C3G MARVEL WAVE 24
THEY CAME FROM BEYOND!

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Comic PDF

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Mini PDF

The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Sinister set.
Its model number and name are #093 / Ka-Zar.​

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Character Bio - Lord Robert Plunder discovered the hidden jungle in the Antarctic continent that became known as the Savage Land.

A tribe of barbaric Man-Apes killed Lord Plunder, but as they attacked his infant son, Kevin, they were driven off by Zabu, the last survivor of a species of saber-toothed tiger that the Man-Apes had hunted to near extinction.

Immediately forming an empathic bond, Zabu took Kevin to the Land of Mists, a region where the Man-Apes refused to set foot. The encounter soon passed into the Man-Apes' legends, and young Kevin was given the name Ka-Zar, which means son of the tiger.

Young Kevin had banished most of the memories of his childhood as a pampered son of nobility, and came to think and act like a "savage." Ka-Zar grew up in the Land of Mists alongside Zabu, who taught him how to survive in the Savage Land. (From Comicvine)
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Incoming Synergy:
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Re: The Book of Ka-Zar - Design Phase

NAME = KA-ZAR
SECRET IDENTITY = KEVIN PLUNDER

SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = HUNTER
PERSONALITY = DETERMINED

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 4

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 5
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 4

POINTS = 170

BIG GAME TRACKER
At the start of the game, you may choose one opponent's Unique or Event Hero to be Ka-Zar's Prey. When a numbered Order Marker is revealed on the Prey's card, you may immediately move Ka-Zar up to 3 spaces. When moving with Big Game Tracker, Ka-Zar is never attacked when leaving engagements. If Ka-Zar attacks his Prey, he may attack his Prey one additional time.

VINE SWING 3
At any point before, during, or after moving Ka-Zar, if he is adjacent to an Evergreen Tree or Jungle Piece, you may place Ka-Zar on any unoccupied space adjacent to that Evergreen Tree or Jungle Piece. When Ka-Zar moves with Vine Swing, he will not take any leaving engagement attacks. Ka-Zar cannot use Vine Swing more than 3 times in a single turn.

KING OF THE JUNGLE
While he is adjacent to an Evergreen Tree or Jungle Piece, Ka-Zar adds 1 die to his attack and he cannot be targeted by opponents' non-adjacent figures for any attacks or for any opponents' special powers that require clear sight.



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Re: The Book of Ka-Zar - Design Phase

Be consistent with the order of the tree and the piece.

Do you want him to be able to move onto glyphs with MotJ?

Nice reuse of BGT.
 
Re: The Book of Ka-Zar - Design Phase

Anything against any of these for the comic art?

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Other than that, not much else to say. I don't really know much about him, so... :shrug: Although I am curious if he should be Ruler or Lord or something similar...?
 
Re: The Book of Ka-Zar - Design Phase

I like the design, I love the thematic visual of him swinging through the trees. BGT is a great reuse.

I do wonder if Master of the Jungle would work better split into two powers: the swinging one and the stat boost one. Maybe:

MASTER OF THE JUNGLE
At any point before, during, or after moving Ka-Zar, if he is adjacent to an Evergreen Tree or Jungle piece you may place Ka-Zar on any unoccupied space adjacent to that Evergreen Tree or Jungle piece. When Ka-Zar moves with Master of the Jungle, he will not take any leaving engagement attacks. Ka-Zar cannot use Master of the Jungle more than three times in a single turn.

JUNGLE STRENGTH 1
Add 1 die to Ka-Zar's attack and defense while he is adjacent to an Evergreen Tree or Jungle piece.


Mostly that just separates the two effects, but I did enhance Jungle Strength to be more like Water Strength for consistency, though that change wouldn't be needed.

Flame Gryphon said:
Anything against any of these for the comic art?

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I like that second one if you cropped it right.

Flame Gryphon said:
Other than that, not much else to say. I don't really know much about him, so... :shrug: Although I am curious if he should be Ruler or Lord or something similar...?
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From what I know of the character, Lord/Ruler wouldn't really fit. He is in charge, but not in that sense. He is definitely a hunter though.
 
Re: The Book of Ka-Zar - Design Phase

I'm in favor of the split, and in favor of him using Master of the Jungle to move onto Glyphs as it's already a pretty niche power.

I think I'd prefer a rename to "Lord of the Jungle" or the more iconic "King of the Jungle," though... but really, if we split it, I almost feel like it should have a more generic name...

Lord/Ruler isn't appropriate (he's a Lord, but mostly just in title). Protector or Defender might be appropriate, but I think Hunter is ideal.
 
Re: The Book of Ka-Zar - Design Phase

I could go with the split.
johnny139 said:
I think I'd prefer a rename to "Lord of the Jungle" or the more iconic "King of the Jungle," though... but really, if we split it, I almost feel like it should have a more generic name...
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What about Vine Swing?

Flame Gryphon said:
Anything against any of these for the comic art?

Spoiler Alert!
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The Second one would looks good if you cropped it right.

Lord/Ruler really isn't Ka-Zar, Hunter fits him best.
 
Re: The Book of Ka-Zar - Design Phase

I like what ya got ZJ, looks interesting and fun. Dig that swinging through the trees theme.

I'd also be in favor of splitting Master of the Jungle into two powers, Vine Swing, and Jungle Strength 1.

Being a terrain based power I don't think it would be to powerful to increase his attack and defense, like Viegon suggested.

BGT, and Hunter both fit him great. IMO
 
Re: The Book of Ka-Zar - Design Phase

Hmm... Not much to say at this juncture. Other than to echo my agreement to splitting the jungle swing and strength powers. Looks like a great design to me. I also like the idea of allowing him to move onto glyphs.
 
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johnny139 said:
I'm in favor of the split, and in favor of him using Master of the Jungle to move onto Glyphs as it's already a pretty niche power.

I think I'd prefer a rename to "Lord of the Jungle" or the more iconic "King of the Jungle," though... but really, if we split it, I almost feel like it should have a more generic name...

Lord/Ruler isn't appropriate (he's a Lord, but mostly just in title). Protector or Defender might be appropriate, but I think Hunter is ideal.
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I agree with all of this. :) If we want to make the first power "Vine Swing," I think we should name Jungle Strength "King of the Jungle" instead (maybe give him +1 attack and +2 defense to sell that usage?).
 
Re: The Book of Ka-Zar - Design Phase

Okay, I'll make those changes tomorrow when the breathing pared is up.
IAmBatman said:
johnny139 said:
I'm in favor of the split, and in favor of him using Master of the Jungle to move onto Glyphs as it's already a pretty niche power.

I think I'd prefer a rename to "Lord of the Jungle" or the more iconic "King of the Jungle," though... but really, if we split it, I almost feel like it should have a more generic name...

Lord/Ruler isn't appropriate (he's a Lord, but mostly just in title). Protector or Defender might be appropriate, but I think Hunter is ideal.
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I agree with all of this. :) If we want to make the first power "Vine Swing," I think we should name Jungle Strength "King of the Jungle" instead (maybe give him +1 attack and +2 defense to sell that usage?).
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That could, though my plan was to reuse Vine Swing and Jungle Strength on Shanna. Though I think I might bump Jungle Strength to +1 Attack and +1 Defense.
 
Re: The Book of Ka-Zar - Design Phase

I think he means alter the power so that a basic "Jungle Strength" could have the name "King of the Jungle." If we wanted to go in that direction we could make it something like Glacier Camouflage instead of just a defense boost? Might not be worth the complexity.

By the way, I forgot to mention but I was sort of dreading checking this thread when I saw the "Ka-Zar's thread is ready!" PM, but I'm really happy with what you've done... I did not have high hopes for a Ka-Zar design being that exciting but I'm really enthusiastic about him! I actually have a figure for him, too. :D
 
Re: The Book of Ka-Zar - Design Phase

Yeah, this is nice and clean and looks fun to use. :) Great work with the basic power set.

I just think a "King of the Jungle" power name would be great, and if not here, where? The only other fictional character I can think of who would fit it better would be Tarzan, and I'm not sure how likely it is we'd ever make him (and if we did, we could reuse the power). :-D

So, if we're splitting Master of the Jungle into two powers (which we definitely should) and the movement power is called Vine Swing (which seems like fun, even if a bit dubious thematically with the Evergreen Trees), then I'd love for the remaining power to be something called "King of the Jungle." I believe the basic +1/+1 power makes sense as "Jungle Strength" though, so we'd need some way to give it a little extra "oomph," whether that's a simple +2 in some category, or something else.
 
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IAmBatman said:
I just think a "King of the Jungle" power name would be great, and if not here, where? The only other fictional character I can think of who would fit it better would be Tarzan, and I'm not sure how likely it is we'd ever make him (and if we did, we could reuse the power). :-D

So, if we're splitting Master of the Jungle into two powers (which we definitely should) and the movement power is called Vine Swing (which seems like fun, even if a bit dubious thematically with the Evergreen Trees), then I'd love for the remaining power to be something called "King of the Jungle." I believe the basic +1/+1 power makes sense as "Jungle Strength" though, so we'd need some way to give it a little extra "oomph," whether that's a simple +2 in some category, or something else.
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johnny139 said:
I think he means alter the power so that a basic "Jungle Strength" could have the name "King of the Jungle." If we wanted to go in that direction we could make it something like Glacier Camouflage instead of just a defense boost? Might not be worth the complexity.
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King of the Jungle works really nice for him, I just didn't really feel a need to do King of the Jungle and Jungle Strength if they would be really similar, and I don't know what stat to boost by 2. Though maybe do something off of Glacier Camouflage like Johnny suggested to differ them:
KING OF THE JUNGLE
Add 1 die to Ka-Zar's attack and he cannot be targeted for an attack or chosen for a special power by a non-adjacent figure while he is adjacent to an Evergreen Tree or Jungle piece.
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And do Viegon's suggestion as Jungle Strength:
JUNGLE STRENGTH 1
Add 1 die to [Name]'s attack and defense while its is adjacent to an Evergreen Tree or Jungle piece.
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johnny139 said:
By the way, I forgot to mention but I was sort of dreading checking this thread when I saw the "Ka-Zar's thread is ready!" PM, but I'm really happy with what you've done... I did not have high hopes for a Ka-Zar design being that exciting but I'm really enthusiastic about him! I actually have a figure for him, too. :D
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IAmBatman said:
Yeah, this is nice and clean and looks fun to use. :) Great work with the basic power set.
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Thanks! :D
 
Re: The Book of Ka-Zar - Design Phase

I'd alter that wording around a bit:

KING OF THE JUNGLE
While he is adjacent to an Evergreen Tree or Jungle Piece, Ka-Zar adds 1 die to his attack and he cannot be targeted for an attack or chosen for a special power by a non-adjacent enemy figure.

I also made it enemy figures - no reason he shouldn't get love from his allies still, right?
 
Re: The Book of Ka-Zar - Design Phase

IAmBatman said:
I'd alter that wording around a bit:

KING OF THE JUNGLE
While he is adjacent to an Evergreen Tree or Jungle Piece, Ka-Zar adds 1 die to his attack and he cannot be targeted for an attack or chosen for a special power by a non-adjacent enemy figure.

I also made it enemy figures - no reason he shouldn't get love from his allies still, right?
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Yeah, I just copied it from Mastermind and made a couple changes, just missed that.
 
Re: The Book of Ka-Zar - Design Phase

Something to think about with Jungle Strength is the natural Jungle piece defense boost.
 
Re: The Book of Ka-Zar - Design Phase

I think what he means is that you shouldn't necessarily use "Jungle Strength" for a power title on a figure since it's already the title of a power on the jungle pieces. Which would mean you'd have to find a different name for the mechanic you wanted to use on Shanna.
 
Re: The Book of Ka-Zar - Design Phase

IAmBatman said:
I think what he means is that you shouldn't necessarily use "Jungle Strength" for a power title on a figure since it's already the title of a power on the jungle pieces. Which would mean you'd have to find a different name for the mechanic you wanted to use on Shanna.
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Uh, the jungle pieces don't have power names for their power to me knowledge.
 
Re: The Book of Ka-Zar - Design Phase

Yeah, you're right. I'm looney tonight. That's not what he meant at all. Oye. :p
 
Re: The Book of Ka-Zar - Design Phase

I agree with just about everything said so far. I like that King of Jungle (and I like using that name and saving Jungle Strength for units like Shanna). That, Vine Swing and Big Game Tracker sounds like a nice design and really makes me look forward to having Zabu as well. :up:
 
Re: The Book of Ka-Zar - Design Phase

Best comparison I could find for stats straight off was Iceman. Iceman has a terrain specific power as well. Off the top of my head, I'd call Iceman's special attack at least a little bit better than Big Game Hunter, Ice Slide 4 more useful than Vine Swing, and Mutant Adventurer much more useful than Human Hunter. Iceman also has one more defense at 150. So I'd probably start him at 140 and go from there. He's likely to only get drafted on jungle/forest maps (or with Floronic Man, I suppose), so he'll be a situational draft anyway, but I think 160's probably a bit high.
 
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