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The Book of Icicle
- Thread starter SirGalahad
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Nice work SirG.
Re: Icicle - Design Phase
Updated to Move reduction of 2.
Updated to Move reduction of 2.
Re: Icicle - Design Phase
Starting up the initial playtest.
Starting up the initial playtest.
Re: Icicle - Design Phase
C3G INITIAL PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM
NAME OF THE TEST UNIT ICICLE
- THEME TEST/ Check to see if there are any powers or stats on the test unit card that does not accurately reflect the theme or likeness of what the character would and could do. Also consider destructible objects, and whether or not this characters powers should affect them.
PASS
- MIRROR TEST/ Check to see if the unit were played against itself, if there would be any loops that would upset the balance of the Game.
PASS
- BONDING TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing Bonding abilities to make sure there are no continual Bonding possibilities that do not stop appropriately or do not stop at all. This is to prevent loops in Bonding.
PASS
- SYNERGIES TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing synergies to make sure there are no factors that could break the game by making any unit to powerful or too weak.
PASS
- POWER CHECK/ Consider the test unit and all existing units and all glyphs to compare to and check for any powers that could be over amplified and break the game. Each power must define when it takes place, who or what it affects, and What are the stipulations on the power if there are any.
PASS
- FUN TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play.
PASS
- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play against.
PASS
- DRAFTING TEST/ Consider whether or not this design is worth drafting.
PASS
- USAGE TEST/ Consider whether or not all of the powers on this card were used or at least usable.
PASS
- STRATEGY TEST/ Consider whether or not the design offers any real strategy or interesting tactics to the overall game.
PASS
Heavy Hitter or Mid-Level Hero Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? PASS
- What should be the unit's point value? 160
- Give a brief overview. He can be brutal against figures w/o Ice Resistance, unless they have some attack avoiding defensive power, because his SA averages 4.5 skulls per OM against them. And since it is a SA, it avoids many defensive special powers (Man of Steel, etc.). With those 3 attacks of potentially 3 skulls, he's like a short-ranged squad.
All test on Custom map, some snow and ice tiles (<10%)
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Squad Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? YES
- What should be the unit's point value? 150
- Give a brief overview. Against well-played ranged squads that don't require podding, he can be limited to just his normal attack or just a single SA. Plus they can stretch him out to the point where he runs out of ice to stand on for his defense bonus.
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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? PASS
- What should be the unit's point value? 160
- Give a brief overview. Icicle put 2 wounds on Robin and Gordon and 3 wounds on Alfred. His SA is just nasty against anyone w/o Ice Resistance.
Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? PASS
- What should be the unit's point value? 170
- Give a brief overview. Incredibly close with lots going on. Icicle had 3 wounds on Huntress and was an initiative roll away from likely winning it for his team.
C3G INITIAL PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM
NAME OF THE TEST UNIT ICICLE
- THEME TEST/ Check to see if there are any powers or stats on the test unit card that does not accurately reflect the theme or likeness of what the character would and could do. Also consider destructible objects, and whether or not this characters powers should affect them.
PASS
- MIRROR TEST/ Check to see if the unit were played against itself, if there would be any loops that would upset the balance of the Game.
PASS
- BONDING TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing Bonding abilities to make sure there are no continual Bonding possibilities that do not stop appropriately or do not stop at all. This is to prevent loops in Bonding.
PASS
- SYNERGIES TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing synergies to make sure there are no factors that could break the game by making any unit to powerful or too weak.
PASS
- POWER CHECK/ Consider the test unit and all existing units and all glyphs to compare to and check for any powers that could be over amplified and break the game. Each power must define when it takes place, who or what it affects, and What are the stipulations on the power if there are any.
PASS
- FUN TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play.
PASS
- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play against.
PASS
- DRAFTING TEST/ Consider whether or not this design is worth drafting.
PASS
- USAGE TEST/ Consider whether or not all of the powers on this card were used or at least usable.
PASS
- STRATEGY TEST/ Consider whether or not the design offers any real strategy or interesting tactics to the overall game.
PASS
Heavy Hitter or Mid-Level Hero Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? PASS
- What should be the unit's point value? 160
- Give a brief overview. He can be brutal against figures w/o Ice Resistance, unless they have some attack avoiding defensive power, because his SA averages 4.5 skulls per OM against them. And since it is a SA, it avoids many defensive special powers (Man of Steel, etc.). With those 3 attacks of potentially 3 skulls, he's like a short-ranged squad.
All test on Custom map, some snow and ice tiles (<10%)
Spoiler Alert!
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Squad Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? YES
- What should be the unit's point value? 150
- Give a brief overview. Against well-played ranged squads that don't require podding, he can be limited to just his normal attack or just a single SA. Plus they can stretch him out to the point where he runs out of ice to stand on for his defense bonus.
Spoiler Alert!
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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? PASS
- What should be the unit's point value? 160
- Give a brief overview. Icicle put 2 wounds on Robin and Gordon and 3 wounds on Alfred. His SA is just nasty against anyone w/o Ice Resistance.
Spoiler Alert!
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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? PASS
- What should be the unit's point value? 170
- Give a brief overview. Incredibly close with lots going on. Icicle had 3 wounds on Huntress and was an initiative roll away from likely winning it for his team.
Spoiler Alert!
Spoiler Alert!
Re: Icicle - Design Phase
It's a cool (pun intended) strategy to only place ice tiles every so often, especially on height for him to use as "stepping stones" to get his defense bonus. If the opponent's try and take the space to prevent him from using it, they may be paying for it.
He can be brutal against figures w/o Ice Resistance, unless they have some attack avoiding defensive power, because his SA averages 4.5 skulls per OM against them. And since it is a SA, it avoids many defensive special powers (Man of Steel, etc.). With those 3 attacks of potentially 3 skulls, he's like a short-ranged squad.
It's a cool (pun intended) strategy to only place ice tiles every so often, especially on height for him to use as "stepping stones" to get his defense bonus. If the opponent's try and take the space to prevent him from using it, they may be paying for it.
Re: Icicle - Design Phase
Sounds like some good strategy. That special attack sounds nasty. Though, he's not the most mobile unit and his range is only 3. So that should allow for some balance against units with longer range. In army tests, he'd be great to come in after things get started and opponent's figures are either engaged with meat shields or have another scary figure to worry about. Then he can move in, lay down some ice and take some pot shots with his special. If you have him and Metallo together vs. Superman, that would be nasty for sure.
Sounds like some good strategy. That special attack sounds nasty. Though, he's not the most mobile unit and his range is only 3. So that should allow for some balance against units with longer range. In army tests, he'd be great to come in after things get started and opponent's figures are either engaged with meat shields or have another scary figure to worry about. Then he can move in, lay down some ice and take some pot shots with his special. If you have him and Metallo together vs. Superman, that would be nasty for sure.
Re: Icicle - Design Phase
Squad tests up. Still looking like 150.
Squad tests up. Still looking like 150.
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Re: Icicle - Design Phase
Looking good Sir G.
Looks good so far Sir G. Call you butter, you're on a roll.
Looking good Sir G.
Re: Icicle - Design Phase
Currently, it isn't clear that the second part of the power doesn't work on figures with Ice Resistance. Also, it seems that the two aspects could be joined.
You lose the "turn ending" on the second half", but there is enough penalty like this without the further complication and annoyances of what feels like several powers in one. This is a "tad" more streamlined, but much better to read and understand, and that is why we stream line things. This also reduces the text by two and a half lines.
Re: Icicle - Design Phase
I'm good with it as well. When I went to add the power to the index, it seemed to be one of the longest.
I'm good with it as well. When I went to add the power to the index, it seemed to be one of the longest.
Re: Icicle - Design Phase
Army Test 1 up.
Army Test 1 up.
Re: Icicle - Design Phase
BvS was hot and nasty with his Deathspore, so that helped for sure give auto wounds.
Cops and Gordon just haven't done it for me. Sure he gets to move them up with him, but then he only gets a single attack of 3. It's fine on the first turn of the game to get them out of the SZ, but after that, I'd rather take turns with the Cops or any other unit than Gordon in that army (well maybe not Alfred, unless Bats needs extraction)
I hope to have Lt. Stone help the Cops, at least in some extra movement.
Though the Cops should have been good at tearing up HYDRA since they are squaddies.
I love how Madame HYDRA survived to put the final wound on Bats. That's her character, letting others die around her, while she manages to avoid getting killed, but she still manages to get her hands dirty.
BvS was hot and nasty with his Deathspore, so that helped for sure give auto wounds.
Cops and Gordon just haven't done it for me. Sure he gets to move them up with him, but then he only gets a single attack of 3. It's fine on the first turn of the game to get them out of the SZ, but after that, I'd rather take turns with the Cops or any other unit than Gordon in that army (well maybe not Alfred, unless Bats needs extraction)
I hope to have Lt. Stone help the Cops, at least in some extra movement.
Though the Cops should have been good at tearing up HYDRA since they are squaddies.
I love how Madame HYDRA survived to put the final wound on Bats. That's her character, letting others die around her, while she manages to avoid getting killed, but she still manages to get her hands dirty.
Re: Icicle - Design Phase
There may be a problem with this. Suppose a figure with a move of 6 uses its last move to move onto an ice tile within 4 clear sight spaces of Icicle. Icicle rolls a 15, reducing the figure's Move number this turn down to 4. What happens now? Is the figure supposed to "undo" his last 2 spaces of movement?
There may be a problem with this. Suppose a figure with a move of 6 uses its last move to move onto an ice tile within 4 clear sight spaces of Icicle. Icicle rolls a 15, reducing the figure's Move number this turn down to 4. What happens now? Is the figure supposed to "undo" his last 2 spaces of movement?