The Book of Ice Rock

[Griffin]

The Book of Ice Rock

C3G MARVEL CHRISTMAS SPECIAL
WORLD WAR WINTER

Card PDF

The destructible object used for this unit is a Heroscape terrain piece from the Thaelenk Tundra Expansion Set.
Its name is One-Space Glacier.​

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Object Bio - Typically found at the North and South poles, these arctic formations are made entirely out of ice. Not many people or animals can dwell in the areas that these ice formations are native too, but of the few that can, some can even harness the wintery powers these land masses produce.
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-Type of Destructible Object-

• Destructible Object: A Destructible Object can be targeted, destroyed, and removed from play the same way a figure is. See HERE for additional C3G Destructible Object rules.

-Rulings and Clarifications-

• N/A

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-Strategy, Tactics and Tips-

• An adjacent figure with the Ice Resistance special power may transfer a Wound Marker from its card to this card. Current figures with the Ice Resistance special power.

-Heroscapers Community Contributions-

• Initial playtest: Griff
• Second playtest: Bats
• Third Playtest: Tcglkn
• Art by tcglkn
• The Book of One-Space Glacier Custom Tutorial

 

[Griffin]

NAME = ICE ROCK

SECRET IDENTITY = DESTRUCTIBLE OBJECT

SIZE/HEIGHT = LARGE 7

LIFE = 1

DEFENSE = 7

GLACIAL HEALING
Instead of moving and attacking with a figure with the Ice Resistance special power adjacent to this Ice Rock, you may remove 1 Wound Marker from its card and place it on this card.

 

[SirGalahad]

GLACIAL HEALING
Instead of moving and attacking, an adjacent figure with the Ice Resistance special power can remove any number of wounds from its card and place those wounds on this card. No more than 1 wound can be placed on this card.

So, any number less than or equal to 1?

 

[Griffin]

Yes. 0-1. Problem?

I do however like your suggestion from the Ice Hill thread a LOT.

GLACIAL HEALING
Instead of moving and attacking, an adjacent figure with the Ice Resistance special power can remove 1 Wound Marker from its card and place it on this card.

 

[IAmBatman]

Like it.

 

[SirGalahad]

Here's where this belongs:

So when this is thrown up to 3 spaces by a figure with the Super Strength special power:

Does the tile go with it?
Does it land upright?

I'm guessing yes to both.

We'll need a ruling to clarify that it can't be thrown onto a water, swamp water, ice, shadow, or lava (now that would be funny) space.

 

[IAmBatman]

The problem with throwing its tile with it is that the tiles will often be rooted to the map, and you'd have to tear up your map to throw it. So we'll have to allow for throwing it without the tile being included, and FAQ it.

 

[SirGalahad]

OK, because from the Tundra rulebook:

"A Glacier Mountain must always sit on a Glacier Base when placed on the battlefield."

And 'Glacier Mountain' refers to any of the 4 types of glacier pieces.

 

[SirGalahad]

OK, from the other thread:

So when this is thrown up to 3 spaces by a figure with the Super Strength special power:

Does the tile go with it?
Does it land upright?

I'm guessing yes to both.

We'll need a ruling to clarify that it can't be thrown onto a water, swamp water, ice, shadow, or lava (now that would be funny) space.

Tickle, Bats, and I discussed this last night, and though the rule book says that Glaciers MUST be placed on their Bases, these are not Glacier obstacles. We have taken the same terrain piece and made it into Ice (pieces) Destructible Objects. Like Tickle said, they actually stand up quite well without the ice tiles beneath them. No need to remove the base with it, only the piece itself - something we can FAQ or just release with its book as the official game has done with each new Destructible Object or Obstacle. With that, we also specify how it is to be placed (or thrown if it is the Ice Rock) on the battlefield - upright.

The game rules state that terrain is not allowed to be placed on any "water" or "0 height" tile. But Destructible Objects don't have that rule because they are not "terrain" specifically, they are more. However, I don't see why we would try to prevent these or any DOs from being thrown on "water" tiles, including Lava. Why should we be afraid of doing that?

As long as we're clear in the explanation to everyone else, I'm fine with it. But we might want to instantly destroy this one if it is thrown on a molten lava tile. That would just look really weird.

 

[Griffin]

Here's where this belongs:

So when this is thrown up to 3 spaces by a figure with the Super Strength special power:

Does the tile go with it?
Does it land upright?

I'm guessing yes to both.

We'll need a ruling to clarify that it can't be thrown onto a water, swamp water, ice, shadow, or lava (now that would be funny) space.

Tickle, Bats, and I discussed this last night, and though the rule book says that Glaciers MUST be placed on their Bases, these are not Glacier obstacles. We have taken the same terrain piece and made it into Ice (pieces) Destructible Objects. Like Tickle said, they actually stand up quite well without the ice tiles beneath them. No need to remove the base with it, only the piece itself - something we can FAQ or just release with its book as the official game has done with each new Destructible Object or Obstacle. With that, we also specify how it is to be placed (or thrown if it is the Ice Rock) on the battlefield - upright.

The game rules state that terrain is not allowed to be placed on any "water" or "0 height" tile. But Destructible Objects don't have that rule because they are not "terrain" specifically, they are more. However, I don't see why we would try to prevent these or any DOs from being thrown on "water" tiles, including Lava. Why should we be afraid of doing that?

 

[Griffin]

OK, from the other thread:

So when this is thrown up to 3 spaces by a figure with the Super Strength special power:

Does the tile go with it?
Does it land upright?

I'm guessing yes to both.

We'll need a ruling to clarify that it can't be thrown onto a water, swamp water, ice, shadow, or lava (now that would be funny) space.

Tickle, Bats, and I discussed this last night, and though the rule book says that Glaciers MUST be placed on their Bases, these are not Glacier obstacles. We have taken the same terrain piece and made it into Ice (pieces) Destructible Objects. Like Tickle said, they actually stand up quite well without the ice tiles beneath them. No need to remove the base with it, only the piece itself - something we can FAQ or just release with its book as the official game has done with each new Destructible Object or Obstacle. With that, we also specify how it is to be placed (or thrown if it is the Ice Rock) on the battlefield - upright.

The game rules state that terrain is not allowed to be placed on any "water" or "0 height" tile. But Destructible Objects don't have that rule because they are not "terrain" specifically, they are more. However, I don't see why we would try to prevent these or any DOs from being thrown on "water" tiles, including Lava. Why should we be afraid of doing that?

As long as we're clear in the explanation to everyone else, I'm fine with it. But we might want to instantly destroy this one if it is thrown on a molten lava tile. That would just look really weird.

We have expanded on the official rules that DOs can equate to figures, so they would roll for the damage though automatically. If you look at the Volcarren rulebook, it just says when "figures" move on to the Molten lava they roll for damage. That means that these would as well.

 

[SirGalahad]

Then that's easy.

 

[IAmBatman]

Yeah, even with the C3G Molten Lava Rules, they're going to be destroyed the vast majority of the time, thanks to having only 1 life.

 

[Griffin]

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Evergreen Tree, Great Evergreen Tree, Ice Rock, Ice Hill, Ice Glacier, and Ice Mountain

- THEME TEST/ Check to see if there are any powers or stats on the test unit card that does not accurately reflect the theme or likeness of what the character would and could do. Also consider destructible objects, and whether or not this characters powers should affect them.
Pass

- MIRROR TEST/ Check to see if the unit were played against itself, if there would be any loops that would upset the balance of the Game.
Pass

- BONDING TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing Bonding abilities to make sure there are no continual Bonding possibilities that do not stop appropriately or do not stop at all. This is to prevent loops in Bonding.
Pass

- SYNERGIES TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing synergies to make sure there are no factors that could break the game by making any unit to powerful or too weak.
Pass

- POWER CHECK/ Consider the test unit and all existing units and all glyphs to compare to and check for any powers that could be over amplified and break the game. Each power must define when it takes place, who or what it affects, and What are the stipulations on the power if there are any.
Pass

- FUN TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play.
Pass

- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play against.
Pass

- DRAFTING TEST/ Consider whether or not this design is worth drafting.
Pass

- USAGE TEST/ Consider whether or not all of the powers on this card were used or at least usable.
Pass

- STRATEGY TEST/ Consider whether or not the design offers any real strategy or interesting tactics to the overall game.
Pass

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes.
- Give a brief overview. The trees FALLING power is touch to the game that I ABSOLUTELY enjoy. It isn't complicated or too much, but it does add a dimension to the game that didn't exist before; ranged danger from DOs. They can affect multiple figures, knock other trees down, or be used as tactical weapons as was shown against Hulk who no one wants to put more than one wound on.

The Ice formations work well as line of sight blockers, we already know that, but now that line of sight can be destroyed, and the rocks can even be thrown as weapons, and the beauty is that all that can happen WITHOUT a power on the card. So the nicheness of the Ice Healing isn't a let down at all. The Ice Mountain is a great fearful deterant, but not so much that people avoid it. a lot of the fight was near it, because of its life of 6 and defense of 7, you can easily believe that it will be there for a while.
Map: Custom with two sets of trees and one set of Ice.
Units: Hulk, Thor, and Giant Man - VS - Superman, Wonder Woman, and Red Tornado.

Spoiler Alert!

1. Wonder Woman moves to height.
2. Giant Man advances.
3. Red Tornado move up and hide behind the Ice Mountain.
   
4. Thor moves up next to Giant Man and swings his Hammer at the Giant Evergreen tree and cracks it with one wound.
5. Wonder Woman goes down to the street and lassos Hulk into her, then punches down a tree that falls on Thor and Giant Man for one wound.
6. Hulk circles Wonder Woman, punches her for two wounds, and knocks her into the Ice Mountain but they don't take knockback damage..

1. Thor engages Wonder Woman and puts two wounds on her knocking her into the Ice Mountain but she survives and no knockback damage occurred.
2. Wonder Woman punches Thor for two wounds and slams him against Hulk for a wound on them both.
   
3. Thor kills Wonder Woman.
4. WW lost a turn.
5. Hulk leaps and engages Red Tornado but can't connect the attack.
6. Superman takes height and destroys a tree, which destroys another tree, which turns and puts a wound on Hulk, then he throws a nearby Ice Rock at Hulk but misses.

1. Giant Man moves around the Mountain and hits it for 3 wounds.
2. Red Tornado moves and puts 1 wound on Hulk.
3. Thor puts a wound on Red Tornado.
4. Superman comes down and puts 2 wounds on Thor.
5. Hulk hits Red Tornado for 3 wounds.
6. Superman kills Thor.

1. Hulk misses Red Tornado.
   
2. Red Tornado flies over Hulk, doubles back, lands next to a Evergreen Tree, places Hulk next to it, then smashes the tree so that it falls on Hulk for a wound. (This is a nice way to wound Hulk without putting more than one wound on him at a time.
   
3. Hulk kills Red Tornado.
4. Superman flies up and punches a Great Evergreen Tree and puts it in the critical.
   
5. Hulk smashes the tree and finishes it off putting a wound on Superman.
6. Superman puts Hulk 1 away from death with two wounds.... uh oh.

1. Fully enraged, Hulk hits Superman for two wounds.
   
2. Superman hits for 5 skulls and Hulk blocks them all.
3. Giant Man engages Superman and misses.
4. Superman leaves Hulk, takes a wound, engages Giant Man (down from flying), dodges the Giant Swat, and cracks Giant Man for 2 wounds.
5. Giant Man hits for 1 wound on Superman.
6. Superman kills Giant Man.

1. Hulk misses Superman.
2. Superman kills Hulk.
   

Who won and how many wounds did they have? Superman wins with 5 wounds.

4 Evergreen Trees were destroyed.

1 Great Evergreen Tree was destroyed.

1 Great Evergreen Tree took 1 wound.

The Ice Mountain took 3 wounds.

1 Ice Rock was thrown.

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes.
- Give a brief overview. I wanted to run an army that would each benefit from the new DOs, and I didn't find any of it overpowered at all, in fact they lost.
Map: Custom.
Units: Iceman, Swamp Thing, and Poison Ivy - VS - Sinestro and Sinestro Corps Soldier x2.

Spoiler Alert!

1. Swamp thing uses the Green to appear next to a tree on a high bridge.
2. Sinestro advances and puts a single wound on Swamp thing and his soldier attempts the same but fails.
3. Swamp Thing hits Sinestro and knocks him off of the bridge for no damage.
4. Sinestro flies over to the Ice Glacier that Iceman is hiding at and put 3 wounds on it. Then the Sin Soldier attempts the same but fails.
5. Poison Ivy moves up and with Entangling Vines puts a wound on Sinestro.
6. Sinestro engages Poison Ivy, uses his SA twice (burning a battery) and puts her in the critical. Sin Soldier attempts the same but fails.

1. Poison Ivy tries to steal Sinestro - Fail. Then she tries to hit the Sin Soldier with Plant Annimation - Fail.
2. Sinestro kill Ivy then the soldier fails his attack on the Ice Glacier.
3. Iceman hits Sinestro with his SA and hits for 2 wounds, then freezes off the X marker.
4. Sinestro burns a battery to attack Iceman twice with his SA and kills him.
   The Sin Soldier engages Swamp Thing and misses.
5. Swamp Thing has his attack blocked by the Soldier's battery.
6. Sinestro and his Soldier both miss Swamp Thing.

1. Sinestro puts Swamp Thing in the critical and the Soldier misses.
2. Swamp Thing teleports away and heals in a corner.
3. Sinestro can't find Swamp Thing but his soldier does and fails his attack.
4. Swamp Thing teleports and heals again.
5. Sinestro catches up, attacks with the special twice, burning a battery, and only does one damage. The Soldier in the reserve flies up and attacks but fails.
6. Swamp Thing teleports and heals again now down to two wounds.

1. Swamp Thing teleports and heals again.
2. Sinestro stays on height and his strongest soldier knocks down a tree onto Swamp Thing.
   
3. Swamp Thing heals.
4. Sinestro engages Swamp Thing, and burns his last battery to attack with his SA twice put Swamp Thing in the critical. The soldier fails his attack.
   
5. Swamp Thing heals.
6. Sinestro advances and the Soldier fails his attack on Swamp Thing.

1. Sinestro uses his SA to put a wound on ST and the Soldier fails his attack.
   
2. ST kills Sinestro.
3. Sinestro loses a turn.
4. ST heals then throws an Ice Rock at the Soldier for one wound on him and destroys the Ice Rock.
5. Sin Soldier fails to knock down a tree.
6. ST teleports and heals.

1. ST hits the weaker soldier and forces him to burn his battery to stay alive.
2. Soldier fails his attack.
3. ST teleports and heals.
4. Soldier fails to knock down a tree on ST.
5. ST teleports and heals down to FULL LIFE.
6. Soldier hits for 2 wounds.

1. ST fails his attack.
2. Soldier hits ST for 1 wound.
   
3. ST destroys a tree and puts a wound on the soldier.
4. Soldier fails his attack.
5. ST forces the soldier to burn a battery.
6. Soldier puts ST in the critical.

1. ST teleports and heals.
2. Soldier hits ST for one wound.
3. ST kills Soldier.
4. Soldier kills ST.
   

Who won and how many wounds did they have? One Sinestro Soldier left with 2 wounds and 1 battery.

 

[Griffin]

Playtest posted on the OP. Only one army test to go.

 

[tcglkn]

Do we not need an Initial for DOs? I haven't seen any designed before so I'm not up to par on the procedure.

EDIT: Looked it up and we are good here.

 

[Griffin]

Done with the initial playtest.

 

[IAmBatman]

I think our initials have to be only army tests ... how do you do heavy hitter tests for DOs?

 

[Griffin]

When I say "initial", I just mean the first one - only two army tests.

 

[tcglkn]

When I finish Speedball I'll run a double test on the Trees and Glaciers as well.

 

[Griffin]

Excellent idea.

 

[IAmBatman]

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Evergreen Tree, Great Evergreen Tree, Ice Rock, Ice Hill, Ice Glacier, and Ice Mountain

- THEME TEST/ Check to see if there are any powers or stats on the test unit card that does not accurately reflect the theme or likeness of what the character would and could do. Also consider destructible objects, and whether or not this characters powers should affect them.
PASS

- MIRROR TEST/ Check to see if the unit were played against itself, if there would be any loops that would upset the balance of the Game.
PASS

- BONDING TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing Bonding abilities to make sure there are no continual Bonding possibilities that do not stop appropriately or do not stop at all. This is to prevent loops in Bonding.
PASS

- SYNERGIES TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing synergies to make sure there are no factors that could break the game by making any unit to powerful or too weak.
PASS

- POWER CHECK/ Consider the test unit and all existing units and all glyphs to compare to and check for any powers that could be over amplified and break the game. Each power must define when it takes place, who or what it affects, and What are the stipulations on the power if there are any.
PASS

- FUN TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play.
PASS

- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play against.
PASS

- DRAFTING TEST/ Consider whether or not this design is worth drafting.
PASS

- USAGE TEST/ Consider whether or not all of the powers on this card were used or at least usable.
PASS

- STRATEGY TEST/ Consider whether or not the design offers any real strategy or interesting tactics to the overall game.
PASS

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? N/A
- Give a brief overview. Tested two Ice Mountains, two Ice Glaciers, two Ice Hills, four Ice Rocks, two Great Evergreen Trees, and eight Evergreen Trees for a crowded map!
Map: Custom
Units: Professor X, Cyclops, Iceman, Beast, Angel, Jean Grey (1,000) vs. Magneto II, Destiny, Toad, Avalanche, Mystique (1,000)

Spoiler Alert!

One Ice Mountain, one Great Evergreen Tree, three Evergreen Trees, and two Ice Rocks were destroyed, and one Ice Glacier had three wounds, one Ice Glacier had two wounds, and one Ice Hill had two wounds. Lots of damage! Avalanche was a lot of fun on this one, but he has trouble hitting any DOs unless he gets a roll of 3 on his special attack (which he did here once). When he does, though, there’s plenty of mayhem, which is fun! One of the Evergreen Trees put a wound on Magneto and the Great Evergreen Tree put one wound on Destiny and one on Beast (he caused the fall). Blob’s repeated failed attempts to topple a tree instead of just punching Cyclops (who was in Psychic Defense X range) was his undoing. Magneto also got caught up with DOs early and it cost him. Cyclop’s Optic Blast is a great thing to have on a map crowded with these trees and ice structures. Beast and Jean Grey both took two wounds when Toad put the last wound on the Ice Mountain to destroy it. Iceman never healed any wounds here (it was just never worth it to sacrifice his attack).
Who won and how many wounds did they have? X-Men win on Turn 1 of Round 6 with Full life Prof X, Full life Angel, 2 life Jean Grey, and 1 life Beast remaining./spoiler]

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes
- What should be the unit's point value? N/A
- Give a brief overview. Tested two Ice Mountains, two Ice Glaciers, two Ice Hills, four Ice Rocks, two Great Evergreen Trees, and eight Evergreen Trees for a crowded map!
Map: Custom
Units: Superman I, Batman (600) vs. Cyclops, Beast, Iceman, Angel (600)

Spoiler Alert!

An Evergreen Tree was destroyed in an early round by Cyclops’ Optic Blast and put one wound on Superman. In the final round of the game, Superman destroyed a Great Evergreen Tree and wounded both Beast and himself (he destroyed it to make sure Beast didn’t first and just wound Supes). Two Ice Rocks were destroyed here (not thrown, but one from an Optic Blast and one when Iceman healed off of it). Iceman healed three wounds in all – one from an Ice Rock, and two from an Ice Mountain. No other ice formations of trees were destroyed, but they definitely made for interesting obstacles and LOS blockers on the map.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Superman wins on Turn 2 of Round 7 with 4 wounds.

 

[Griffin]

Some very close games. I would rep you if I could.

Did you ever feel that "area" affecting figures like Avalanche were able to get more value than they should?

 

[IAmBatman]

Not with an attack of 3 for his special attack. Even with the defense reduction to 6, it was hard for him to crack that with any consistency. So even on a crowded map with his rolling 3 skulls for one attack, the overall impact was limited. Heck, I almost wish he could've done more.
And Cyclops usually could only line up one DO at a time and it took him a slew of attacks to destroy any of them (and that's with his attack of 5). So I found the DOs to be tough enough to limit their overall impact. Making the decision to attack a DO instead of an enemy figure was not easy (but it was fun).

 

[Good Pig]

Not with an attack of 3 for his special attack. Even with the defense reduction to 6, it was hard for him to crack that with any consistency. So even on a crowded map with his rolling 3 skulls for one attack, the overall impact was limited. Heck, I almost wish he could've done more.

Battlements are a whole different story. Avalanche can cause serious damage with a map loaded with them.