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The Book of Hawkman (Carter Hall)

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The Book of Hawkman (Carter Hall)

C3G DC WAVE 25
THE JUSTICE SOCIETY

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Comic PDF

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Mini PDF

The figure used for this unit is a modified Heroclix figure from the DC Brave and the Bold set.
Its model number and name are #009 / The Atom and the Hawkman. Its modification is that the Atom has been removed.​

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Character Bio - “Originally Prince Khufu of ancient Egypt, the hero who would become known as Hawkman discovered an alien spacecraft from the planet Thanagar, powered by a mysterious anti-gravity element called Nth Metal. The unearthly energies of the metal transformed his soul, and he and his love Princess Chay-Ara were reincarnated over and over for centuries. Currently he is Carter Hall, archaeologist and adventurer [….] During the same period, his love Chay-Ara was reborn as archaeologist Shiera Sanders. After the two met, she became Hawkgirl, fighting at Carter's side. They became founding members of the Justice Society of America, and Hawkman took the role of chairman” (DCWikia 2015).
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-Rulings and Clarifications-
  • Q: If Hawkman uses Golden Age Heroism to reveal an "X" OM on his card and activate four Mystery Men, and one of his chosen Mystery Men is Superman (Kal-L), can Kal-L use his Faster than a Speeding Bullet special power during his turn?
    A: No. Faster than a Speeding Bullet is used "Instead of attacking", and a figure must be able to attack in order to use an "Instead of attacking" special power. More broadly, in order to use an "Instead of doing X" special power, a figure must be able to do X.
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-Combinations and Synergies-

Incoming Synergy:
Outgoing Synergy:
  • Hawkman may activate Mystery Men with his Golden Age Heroism special power. Current Mystery Men.
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-Immunities, Benefits, and Weaknesses-

Immunities:
Benefits:Weaknesses:
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-Strategy, Tactics and Tips-
-Heroscapers Community Contributions-
 
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Re: Hawkman (Carter Hall) - Design (Breathing Period)

NAME = HAWKMAN
SECRET IDENTITY = CARTER HALL

SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = MYSTERY MAN
PERSONALITY = FIERCE
SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5
MOVE = 6
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 5
DEFENSE = 5
POINTS = 220

GOLDEN AGE HEROISM
Immediately after revealing a numbered Order Marker on this card, if all of your unrevealed Order Markers are placed on the cards of Unique Mystery Man Heroes, you may reveal an Order Marker on this card and remove it. If it is:
• an “X” Order Marker, instead of taking a turn with Hawkman, you may immediately take a turn with up to four other Mystery Men you control. During this turn, the chosen Mystery Men cannot attack and you cannot take any additional turns with other figures you control.
• a numbered Order Marker, for the remainder of the round all figures you control add 1 to their Attack numbers and after taking each turn with Hawkman, you may take one additional turn with one other Mystery Man you control, but cannot take any additional turns with other figures you control.

FLYING SYMBOL
SUPER STRENGTH SYMBOL

Spoiler Alert!
 
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No protege bonding here?

So reveal a numbered order marker you lose one turn but the other two turns net you four activation total. So if you have bonding somewhere else or have counter strike type of abilities you go for the defense boost, if no or if the bonding gets knocked off early then the attack boost looks like the better option. Pretty cool.
 
Re: Hawkman (Carter Hall) - Design (Breathing Period)

Looks good. Simple, thematic, looks fun, and pulls the Mystery Men together in a fun way. We'll need to keep an eye on the amount of stat boosting this faction has (put Hawkman, Jay, and Jesse together and you can be looking at +4 defense), but I don't think it'll be an issue and I kind of like that about how this faction is coming together.

Do we want to maybe limit the stat boosts to just Mystery Men though? With all the OMs having to be on Mystery Men it won't be easy to boost many other figures, but you could still use that +2 defense with passive figures (such as on figures that can move without OMs like Kid Flash or Zombie; or with Stargirl who can move on Hawkman's OMs and now carry a defensive figure).

Other than that, I love the design. :up:
 
Re: Hawkman (Carter Hall) - Design (Breathing Period)

I don't know, I feel like putting all the OMs on Mystery Men is enough of a limitation. I don't mind the combo defensive boosts unless the CRB guys have a problem with it.
@japes - He's really a Golden Age character who wasn't around when the Proteges started coming in, thus all Mystery Men.
 
Re: Hawkman (Carter Hall) - Design (Breathing Period)

The only exploit I can come up with is running him with Doctor Manhattan, dumping all your OMs on him at the start of the round, and sending the numbered OMs to something else after burning the "X" marker. Still, that's ~700 points wrapped up in creating a defensive bonus for other figures, which feels like a lot.
 
Re: Hawkman (Carter Hall) - Design (Breathing Period)

I'd certainly be concerned about giving +2 Defense to all figures you control without and restrictions. On it's own, not too scary but combined with Sue or Superman III it could get ridiculous. Giving the defense boost to just other Mystery Men (and a few other appropriate classes like Protege?) would still be very cool. Otherwise everything looks pretty cool. Maybe a double attack or swoop power to give him a second power that is similar in nature to the other Hawkman?
 
Re: Hawkman (Carter Hall) - Design (Breathing Period)

I'm cool with restricting the "X" defensive boost to just Mystery Men to help completely close down any exploits folks might be worried about. I don't think adding any other class would be particularly thematic.
 
Re: Hawkman (Carter Hall) - Design (Breathing Period)

I don't want to give him a swoop power, as I feel that infringes a bit too much on the other Hawk designs. I could consider a Double Attack, though. I was looking at the bio for the golden age version of him again and it's tough to pick out thematic powers during that phase as most of the overall character's interesting quirks are when he's Thanagarian.
 
Re: Hawkman (Carter Hall) - Design (Breathing Period)

Definitely agree on making the defense boost limited to Mystery Men. Even with that, I'm a little bit worried about an easy +2 to their defense, but we can always lower that if testing shows it too strong. I like the tension between which OM to remove. :up:
 
Re: Hawkman (Carter Hall) - Design (Breathing Period)

I'm good with this (pending testing for tweaks on the numbers). Nice and simple, very Golden Age. :up:
 
Re: Hawkman (Carter Hall) - Design (Breathing Period)

No Karat comments yet and no hurries, so I'll let the Breathing Period ride at least one more day before updating. :)
 
Re: Hawkman (Carter Hall) - Design (Breathing Period)

Been rather swamped with work search lately and not likely to let up for the foreseeable future, plus taking my sister to the airport today.

Nothing stands out to me here however.
 
Re: Hawkman (Carter Hall) - Design (Breathing Period)

Cool. Thanks for checking in.

Not noting any strong pushes for second powers. Let me know if you guys feel strongly that he should have Double Attack or something (I might find myself wanting to add it after the initial). Otherwise, for now I'm just going to make the update to the defensive part of the power.
 
Re: Hawkman (Carter Hall) - Design (Breathing Period)

Cool. Thanks for checking in.

Not noting any strong pushes for second powers. Let me know if you guys feel strongly that he should have Double Attack or something (I might find myself wanting to add it after the initial). Otherwise, for now I'm just going to make the update to the defensive part of the power.
 
Re: Hawkman (Carter Hall) - Design (Breathing Period)

:duh: Looking at the calendar wrong - the breathing period actually expires tonight. :p I made the defensive update but I'll hold off on anything else.
 
Re: Hawkman (Carter Hall) - Design (Breathing Period)

I'd be 100% fine with any minor boosting power if you feel the need, but I won't push for any.
 
Re: Hawkman (Carter Hall) - Design (Breathing Period)

Simple and elegant.

It should be "add 2" since it it a number.
 
Re: Hawkman (Carter Hall) - Design Period

Updated, thanks! Officially in the Design phase.

Now that we have access to those photos, here are the mini options. @Spidey'tilIDie any help picking the most thematic one is much appreciated! :) Depending on what we pick, something like Double Attack may feel too appropriate to pass up:

1.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuroobisan/7953222874/in/album-72157627824952159/

2.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuroobisan/6885981312/in/album-72157627824952159/

3.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kuroobisan/6155079924/in/album-72157626384443493/
 
Re: Hawkman (Carter Hall) - Design Period

First one should be the mini if that pic is usable.
 
Re: Hawkman (Carter Hall) - Design Period

No. The first mini is New 52 Hawkman. The second is already being used in the Hawkmen squad. That leaves number 3, which is Silver Age and he has Atom in his hand. What we really need is an Angel repaint.

EDIT: Upon further review, the third one should work fine, especially with Atom removed.
 
Re: Hawkman (Carter Hall) - Design Period

Yeah - clip off Atom and the third one would be my preference.
 
Re: Hawkman (Carter Hall) - Design Period

Sounds like a winner. @japes would we need to get a different photo of someone who clipped Atom off, or could you edit him out for the card?
 
Re: Hawkman (Carter Hall) - Design Period

The hand and Atom are out of focus in that shot so it wouldn't be to bad getting Atom out. It's actually not one of his best photo's so I think we post it up in the photo's and see what we get and then use this for back-up.
 
Re: Hawkman (Carter Hall) - Design Period

Some comic options:

Spoiler Alert!
 
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