What's new
  • Welcome to the Heroscapers 2.0 site! We've still got some dust to clear and adjustments to make, including launching a new front page, but we hope you enjoy the improvements to the site. Please post your feedback and any issues you encounter in this thread.

The Book of Greenscale Warriors

spiteofthedice

spiteofthedice

no baby bump - false alarm!
The Book of Greenscale Warriors​
Champions of the Forgotten Realms - Collection D1 (11) - "Glaun Bog Raiders"​

YoL7ysl.jpg
Spoiler Alert!
(If you cannot view the army card image, follow this link to the Heroscapers Gallery)


Heroscape Character Bio: TBA


_________________________________________________________________
-Rulings and Clarifications-
LOYALTY TO THE LIZARD KING: Return of the King?
Q. If my chosen Lizard King is destroyed, may the Greenscale Warriors choose another unique Dragon or Lizardfolk hero with which to synergize?
A. Nice try. The wording on the card is "At the start of the game, choose a..." Once the chosen hero is destroyed, the Greenscale Warriors are left without a king.

LOYALTY TO THE LIZARD KING vs. MINDSHACKLE, SOUL-DEVOUR
Q. If my chosen Lizard King has his mind shackled or his soul devoured, do the Greenscale Warriors still receive their Attack and Defense bonuses if their Lizard King is within 2 clear-sight spaces?
A. Yes. Similar questions have come up in the past, centered on the Macdirk Warriors. The adapted ruling from their book is "The Mindshackled hero is still the Lizard King for the Greenscale Warriors." The Greenscale warriors may, therefore, still receive their Attack and Defense bonuses from a Mindshackled/Soul-Devoured King (they would not, of course, and as per the card, be able to bond. The fact that this clarification is right in the bonding text is even further evidence that the bonus still applies).

LOYALTY TO THE Hybrid KING?
Q. If my chosen lizard king has its left-box information altered by the Werewolf Lord's LYCANTHROPY, is he still the Lizard King?
A. Yes. The Lizard King is chosen at the start of the game, and remains the lizard king, even if his information is altered.
​
_________________________________________________________________
-Combinations and Synergies-

Synergy Benefits Received
- ACOLARH : Ullar’s Amulet
As followers of Ullar, the Greenscale Warriors may benefit from Acolarh’s ULLAR’S AMULET movement bonus.

-UNIQUE LIZARDFOLK HEROES
N/A
​

-UNIQUE LARGE/HUGE DRAGON HEROES: Loyalty to the Lizard King - As Unique Large or Huge Dragon Heroes, any of the following may aid the Greenscale Warriors with their LOYALTY TO THE LIZARD KING Attack and Defense Enhancements:
Synergy Benefits Offered
-UNIQUE LIZARDFOLK HEROES

-UNIQUE LARGE/HUGE DRAGON HEROES: Lizard King Bonding:
SEE PRECEDING LIST
​
C3V and SoV Custom Synergies
Spoiler Alert!
_________________________________________________________________
-Strategy, Tactics and Tips-
TBA
​
_________________________________________________________________
-Heroscapers Community Contributions-

New Lizardmen are AWESOME - General Discussion

Greenscale Warriors - What's your army idea?

Power Rankings

Jexik: Greenscale Warriors- Gencon 2010 put these guys on a lot of people's minds. Will they stay there? A-

OEAO: A-

Cleon: Tier 9 (20/208)

dok (VC inclusive): A-
​

Unit Strategy Review
TBA
​
greenscales_original.jpg
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Re: The Book of the Greenscale Warriors

My guess: B+. Unfortunately I didn't proxy theses guys, but the Dragon bonding is a force to be reconed wwith. Probabaly shoot up when Lezardfolk Arrive.
 
Re: The Book of the Greenscale Warriors

My guess is an A-
almost all the dragons are already a force, with a cheap bonding squad, they will be monsters!(non pun). Possible of 6 attacks with nilfheim, solid melée with charos, common squad slaughters with zelrig, mimring, and braxxas, Othkurik could do well to. Solid melée, solid A- or maybe even A
 
Re: The Book of the Greenscale Warriors

dart48 said:
My guess is an A-
almost all the dragons are already a force, with a cheap bonding squad, they will be monsters!(non pun). Possible of 6 attacks with nilfheim, solid melée with charos, common squad slaughters with zelrig, mimring, and charos, Othkurik could do well to. Solid melée, solid A- or maybe even A
Click to expand...
Yeah, I forgot that their Dragon King bolstered them- I was thinking only Lizardfolk Kings would do that.

When do I need to finalize my Lizard King? After Initiative was rolled? A draft? OMs are placed?
 
Re: The Book of the Greenscale Warriors

Simpsons Scaper said:
When do I need to finalize my Lizard King? After Initiative was rolled? A draft? OMs are placed?
Click to expand...
Very good question. My guess would be after the draft is complete, before OMs are placed. It's as good an answer as any, as far as I can think.
 
Re: The Book of the Greenscale Warriors

I played these guys the other day against Penopticon, I played:

Greenscalesx3
Charos
Kaemon
Eldgrim

vs.

Venocs(?)
Venoc warlord
Spiders(?)
Wyvern
Estivara

I'm not sure how many venocs and spiders he had but we both had 540 point armies. Anyway, I used Kaemon to take his Vipers down early then started rolling in with the greenscales. One weakness I noticed is you really have to be careful of leaving guys behind because if your king gets too far away from your start zone greenscales they are sitting ducks to get taken out. It was a lot of fun and truthfully I thought I was going to win handily (until my d20 curse hit me). By d20 curse I mean almost anytime someone rolls a d20 instant kill ability against me it works, hehe. No lie, I think my opponents are 5/6 right now. I had all venocs dead and only lost 3 greenscales and he moved Estivara forward and rolled 3 skulls on Charos, inflicting 2 wounds. The he rolled for poison and got another wound, then rolled a 20.

Needless to say I ended up losing horribly after that. Once you lose the dragon the greenscales are almost useless, hehe. Still though, it was alot of fun and I know it wasn't a "normal" occurence (at least not for other people).
 
Re: The Book of the Greenscale Warriors

So, an 80 pt figure did that to Charos?! :shock: I can never seem to do anything like that with Sudema, and I have played her more often than I care to count... :evil:
 
Re: The Book of the Greenscale Warriors

Haven't played with these guys yet, but I recieved mine in the mail and will play tonight, with further analysis in the near future!

I forsee the biggest problem with these guys is the same thing that comes from any melee squad without a special ranged defense. The dragon that comes with them is definitely powerful, and the greenscales make the dragons a much more viable tournament pick, but the greenscales themselves are vunerable to the same thing that any melee army is. Rats, a blast/glad combo, and of course the upcoming air elemental screen with range are all problematic with this build.

In short, all we got in the end was a sort of Knights of Weston with one fewer squad member, matching atk/def when only near their king, but a faster move to keep up with the king. The bonus trade-off, however, is that they bond with a FREAKING DRAGON!, most of which are far more powerful individually than the available human champions.
 
Re: The Book of the Greenscale Warriors

Fourshadow said:
So, an 80 pt figure did that to Charos?! :shock: I can never seem to do anything like that with Sudema, and I have played her more often than I care to count... :evil:
Click to expand...

I hit Stare of Stone on a full-life Charos in a tournament, then I got Krug in the next game (report is in the link in my sig). It was awesome.
 
Re: The Book of the Greenscale Warriors

JusticeProctor said:
I forsee the biggest problem with these guys is the same thing that comes from any melee squad without a special ranged defense. The dragon that comes with them is definitely powerful, and the greenscales make the dragons a much more viable tournament pick, but the greenscales themselves are vunerable to the same thing that any melee army is. Rats, a blast/glad combo, and of course the upcoming air elemental screen with range are all problematic with this build.
Click to expand...

I don't see the air elementals being that big of a probelm for these guys because the dragon is not affected by swirling vortex and will be able to clear out the air elementals to make way for the greenscales. In the game I played with them, Charos wasn't the best at this because of only having one attack, but when your opponent is using order markers to reposition air elemntals, then they are not taking shots with their ranged figures.
 
Re: The Book of the Greenscale Warriors

I tried the Greenscales with Nilfheim, Braxas, Charos, Zelrig, Mimring and Othkurik. I tried them against a few armies that included 4th Mass army (with Thorgrim), Minions/Atlaga and Q9/Raelin/KMA/Rats.




These were my observations:
  • In (almost) each case, they need Raelin to help protect the dragon.
  • Keeping the dragon alive is paramount. The Greenscales are a weak squad without the dragon/lizard king.
  • In most cases, 2 squads of Greenscales is enough. Otherwise, you run the risk that the dragon will get killed first.
  • Nilfheim/Raelin/GS/other is a very good army. I liked Nilfheim/Raelin/GSx2/KMA best. It was fun to play and competitive against anything I threw at it.
  • Braxas/Raelin/GSx3 was a very good army against high point common armies. The Minions crumbled. It had big problems against Q9. Against 4th Mass, Braxas needs to get in close and she gets shot from distance. I tried this with both GSx3 and with GSx2 and a hero to close the remaining points. With too many GS's, Braxas dies and leaves the GS's helpless. With 2 squads of GS's, there aren't enough points left (in a 500 point format) to have another strong offensive threat.
  • I tried Charos/Raelin/GSx3. (I also tried it with Charos/GSx4/filler.) This a fun army. Charos needs Raelin the least. The Charos/GS vs Minion/Atlaga match up was my favorite battle. (The Charos/GS army barely won. Minions hate counterstrike.) This army really suffers from rats.
  • I couldn't get Zelrig to work. If you use the Z bomb, the GS get left behind and Zelrig gets swarmed and dies. The Greenscales aren't good without Zelrig. If you move up Zelrig slowly, you lose the Z bomb. Zelrig/GS wasn't really competitive against any of these (very good) armies.
  • I used Mimring/GSx2/Raelin/Q10. This army did well, but it was more of a function of Raelin/Q10. When I play Mimring, I try to hop around the board and set up fireline. This isn't easy to do when the Greenscales are trying to act as a screen. I had trouble using Raelin with Mimring because I couldn't get Raelin to be close enough to Mimring.
  • I used Othkurik/GSx2/Raelin/10th Reg x 2. Othkurik played similarly to Mimring. I had trouble using Acid Spry to great effect because I spread out the opposing figures. Still, Othkurik was probably better than Mimring because I didn't feel the need to move Othkurik around as much. This was surprisingly competitive against the 4th Mass, but it got crushed by Vydar/Rats.
Edit: In my opinion, Greenscales with Nilfheim and Raelin are a A/A- team. As a result, I would give the Greenscales an "A-" ranking. I could possibly be convinced that they could rate an "A".
 
Re: The Book of the Greenscale Warriors

Great stuff, Rich10.

I think Mimring is better with Arrow Gruts. Like you say, he needs to hop around and snipe, and the greenscales are almost in the way in stead of acting as a good screen.

The Braxas armies have gotten less discussion than the others, but I think it has a lot of promise. When I was theoryscaping that build, I said that the worst thing you could say about it was that it has to kill Q9 with attacks of 3. That appears to be more or less confirmed by your playtesting.

I could imagine that on some maps, you could fly out with Zelrig for a quick bomb while the Greenscales take a glyph or choke-point, then retreat with Zelrig and allow something else (stingers?) to take over. I could see Zelrig, GWx2, Stingersx3 being decent. Or even just toss in GWx1 for free glyph-grabbing. That said, I basically agree that the GW can't be your main offensive force alongside Zelrig.
 
Re: The Book of the Greenscale Warriors

These guys are great, but I rarely use dragons so I'll need to change my strategy a little (Owo)
 
Re: The Book of the Greenscale Warriors

Ya, originally I was excited about Braxas with these guys but then thought maybe they wouldn't work. But after playing the Greenscales a bit, I'm thinking Braxas would be cool with them because she wouldn't leave them behind and could use them to screen her attack. I always tend to use Braxas in competitive armies so who knows, maybe I'll try the combo out at a tournament sometime, hehe.


Dustin
 
Re: The Book of the Greenscale Warriors

I played against the greenscales last night. I set up a couple of armies to test out a few of the new D&D units. We played on Nexxus, available in the "Download>Maps>Dungeons" section.

Mine
2XDrow Squad
Pelloth
Darrak
Drake (RotV)
Feral Troll

His
2xGreenscales
Othkurik
Fen Hydra
Kaemon Awa

The match was a bit of a slaughter. My slaughter, that is. Don't underestimate the power of bonding! Although the greenscales are a little on the weak side, their fast move allowed them to take board control (i.e. the high ground), and I was focused on taking out the dragon, which let them run amok a bit. In the end, it was the constant rain of attacks I couldn't keep up with.

I let my friend take the better army, but I didn't think it would be THAT bad.

Oh, and watch out for the Fen Hydra, he's a doozy!
 
Re: The Book of the Greenscale Warriors

Any news if Wave D2 will have a Lizardfolk King? These guys are pretty much worthless otherwise.
 
Re: The Book of the Greenscale Warriors

scapemage921 said:
Any news if Wave D2 will have a Lizardfolk King? These guys are pretty much worthless otherwise.
Click to expand...

The greenscales can designate any unique Dragon as their Lizard King. These guys are far from worthless.
 
Re: The Book of the Greenscale Warriors

Rÿchean said:
scapemage921 said:
Any news if Wave D2 will have a Lizardfolk King? These guys are pretty much worthless otherwise.
Click to expand...

The greenscales can designate any unique Dragon as their Lizard King. These guys are far from worthless.
Click to expand...

I dunno Rÿchean, most of the Dragons are pretty bad. Nilfheim in particular, he's just awful. I can't believe the designers would make such an underpowered squad to help out some of the worst figures in the whole game. Mebbe if they had range, and were pirates...

~Aldin, worthlessly :roll:
 
Re: The Book of the Greenscale Warriors

Woops, I completely missed "or a unique large or huge dragon you control" for a second there I thought Loyalty to the Lizard King was useless.
 
Re: The Book of the Greenscale Warriors

I was pretty psyched about these guys from the release; I really wanted to play Charos, then a Nilfheim army. My first game with D1 I played Greenroller (4x GW, Charos, Raelin) vs. a Hydra/Stingers build. The Greenies totally wiped the floor, only loosing about 4 GW and three wounds on Charos. The army is an absolute blast to play; I'd forgotten how durable Charos really is, esp. with Rae backing him up. The GW took out all of the stingers, thanks to careful positioning with Charos and Raelin. Overall, it's really fun to play; just slow-roll it carefully and watch where you put Charos. In fact, I forgot about playing a Nilfheim army, and instead played Greenroller three times. (Don't worry, Nilfy, you'll have your chance to shine).
 
Re: The Book of the Greenscale Warriors

Rich10 said:
  • Nilfheim/Raelin/GS/other is a very good army. I liked Nilfheim/Raelin/GSx2/KMA best. It was fun to play and competitive against anything I threw at it.
  • I tried Charos/Raelin/GSx3. (I also tried it with Charos/GSx4/filler.) This a fun army. Charos needs Raelin the least. The Charos/GS vs Minion/Atlaga match up was my favorite battle. (The Charos/GS army barely won. Minions hate counterstrike.) This army really suffers from rats.
Click to expand...
I tested out these two armies as well (Nilf/Raelin/GSx2/KMA and Charos/Raelin/GSx3) and love both of them. I think the Nilfheim army is more versatile, but both seem to be quite strong. I also tested a Braxas army but in my opinion Braxas does better with rats.
 
Re: The Book of the Greenscale Warriors

I thought I saw this somewhere but I searched and couldn't find it again: If an opponent mindshackles your chosen lizard king with Ne-Gok-Sa, Kee-Mo-Shi, or even temporary mind exchange with Dr. Doom, do the Greenscale Warriors still get the +1 attack/defense bonus? Obviously they would not be able to bond, as the card says "if it is still under your control" but not the "Loyalty to the Lizard King" power.

According to the wording on the card:
At the start of the game, choose a unique lizardfolk... or ... large or huge dragon you control, to be the Greenscale Warriors' Lizard King..
Click to expand...

So this means you only have to have control of the dragon (or upcoming lizardfolk) at the start of the game. So if your chozen Lizard King is taken over permanently or temporarily they would still get the bonus, right? So lets take two examples:

  • Dr. Doom mind exchanges your Lizard king and then attacks one/many Greenscale Warrior(s) with him. Do the Greenscale warriors get +1 to defense (assuming they are within 2 sight spaces)?
  • Ke-Mo-Shee mindshackes your Lizard King, and then you attack Ke-Mo-Shee and your Lizard King with your Greenscale Warriors which are within 2 spaces of the Lizard King you chose at the beginning of the game. Do they get +1 to their attack?

My assumption is that since they are loyal to the lizard king it does not matter which side is is on so they still get the bonus. Obviously if you kill the king who is now on the other team you loose your bonus. The other player could just run away from the Greenscale Warriors or commit suicide so you don't get the bonus.
 
Re: The Book of the Greenscale Warriors

That's a good question. I'd say they still get the bonus, much the same as the Macdirk Warriors still can't attack their Highland Fury Champion if he gets Mindshackled.

It's pretty funny then that a Greenscale would get +1 attack dice when actually attacking their Lizard King....

"I'm still loyal to you, my liege, but you must die!!!"
 
Re: The Book of the Greenscale Warriors

killercactus said:
Fourshadow said:
So, an 80 pt figure did that to Charos?! :shock: I can never seem to do anything like that with Sudema, and I have played her more often than I care to count... :evil:
Click to expand...

I hit Stare of Stone on a full-life Charos in a tournament, then I got Krug in the next game (report is in the link in my sig). It was awesome.
Click to expand...

Yeah, I was doing a 2v2 300 point game when I Mind Shackled a full life Charos, after killing Sir Hawthorne, that ended the game, lol.
"Hey, it happens."
"What? What happens?"
"D20 Rolls."

Ok, on topic, according to the wording on the card they would receive the bonus, especially since the second ability specifically states "if it is still under your control." One of the biggest sayings with rulings on powers is, "Do what the card says, not what it doesn't say." If the card doesn't have the qualifier about the Dragon King not giving the bonus to the Warriors when the Dragon King has been Mind Shackled, or some other similar worded statement, then, according to the card, they still receive the bonus.
That being said, it would seem logical that since he is no longer under your control, he no longer gives benefits to your Warriors.
It is kinda confusing.
Stupid Mind Shackling always confuing the powers that be! lol
 
Re: The Book of the Greenscale Warriors

hero9510 said:
That being said, it would seem logical that since he is no longer under your control, he no longer gives benefits to your Warriors.
Click to expand...

The phrase "you control" only applies to choosing a Lizard King, not to the A/D bonus. Highland Fury has the exact same wording and the Book of the MacDirk Warriors has a ruling on this same question.

The Book of the MacDirk Warriors said:
HIGHLAND FURY : Mindshackled Human Champion
What happens if my chosen human champion is mindshackled to an opponents army?
The mindshackled champion is still the chosen champion for the MacDirk Warriors. Any wound received by the chosen champion, (before or after mindshackle), will still aid the MacDirk Warriors’ Highland Fury. (dnutt99)
Click to expand...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top