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The Book of Flash (Wally West) (Flash Family)

Re: The Book of Flash (Flash Family) - breathing

I'll go ahead and propose for initial testing. If you have a class preference (Leader, Champion, or whatever else), let me know. I don't think the class should affect his initial testing that much.
 
Re: The Book of Flash (Flash Family) - vote for initial

Yea

No preference on class outside of slightly preferring something not Champion since it seems like every DC card is a Champion now.

Wasn't there some talk about updating Speed Force to be clearer about the move/unblockables only happening on his turns or some such?

I'm glad Meggan only copies things for her turn, copying the 'move everybody' part of Flash Time would get silly. (though honestly not really broken just sorta tedious.)
 
Re: The Book of Flash (Flash Family) - vote for initial

Good catch on the Speed Force wording, forgot about that update.
 
Re: The Book of Flash (Flash Family) - vote for initial

Soundwarp's speed mirage strikes again. Thanks fellas. This passes.
 
Re: The Book of Flash (Flash Family) - vote for initial

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Flash Family Wally

Army Test
Map: A Couple Puddles
Units: Flash (Wally Flash Family) (300), Flash (Barry), Flash (Jay), Kid Flash (Wallace), Max Mercury (1100) VS Captain Cold II, Plunder, Golden Glider, Tar Pit, Weather Wizard I, The Top, Girder (1100)
Spoiler Alert!

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Army Test
Map: A Couple Puddles
Units: Flash (Wally Flash Family) (300), Tornado Twins, Impulse, Max Mercury (900) VS Ultraman, Superwoman, Owlman (900)
Spoiler Alert!

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Army Test
Map: A Couple Puddles
Units: Flash (Wally Flash Family) (300), Iris West, Flash (Barry), Flash (Jay), Jesse Quick, Kid Flash (Wallace) (1100) VS Captain America, Winter Soldier (Team-Up), Falcon (MCU), Thor (1100)
Spoiler Alert!


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Army Test
Map: A Couple Puddles
Units: Flash (Wally Flash Family) (305), Reverse-Flash, Flash (Barry), XS (1000) VS Fan4 (1000)
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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: He’s fun. Getting all the speedsters together in one army was a blast. The game against the Rogues was especially great with the interplay between Max Mercury’s & Jay Garrick’s defensive boosts.

The speedsters struggle against heavy hitters, lacking a heavy hitter of their own. They have a couple options for autowounds but otherwise they’re relying on multiple attacks to whittle away at the big guys. They make up for this weakness by having an advantage in being able to take down support figures like Invisible Woman quickly, due to their high move.

Wally offers extra movement and turn efficiency to the faction, which is appreciated. But he really misses having Speed Dodge - he’s fragile with his 4 life, and getting defense boosts from Jay Garrick or height doesn’t mean much without Speed Dodge. So you’ve got to play him a bit cautiously, which is tricky when you also want to get 3 targets in range for Speed Force’s unblockables. There’s a lot of decisions with this army due to this and all the free movement the Speedsters get.

I think the results show 300 is a solid cost. All games were reasonably close.
 
Re: The Book of Flash (Flash Family) - initial posted

Tests look good. :up:
 
Re: The Book of Flash (Flash Family) - initial posted

I’ll call for a vote for public playtesting
 
Re: The Book of Flash (Flash Family) - vote public playtesti

yea
 
Re: The Book of Flash (Flash Family) - public playtesting

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Flash (Wally)

Army Test
Summary: Well, the Flashes are extremely susceptible to autowounds. They don’t quite have the firepower to be the best assassins either. So definitely don’t seem broken at the moment, hah.
Map: Custom
Units: Wally (300), Jay, John Fox, Barry (990)

Vs.

Fan Four



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Army Test
Summary: The Speedsters still got torn apart. Their low life really falters, especially with any sort of auto-wounders. Their attack couldn’t break even Moon Knight’s 5 defense much of the time, and their momentum was too far gone.
Map: Custom
Units: Wally, Quicksilver, Wallace, XS (805)

Vs

Luke Cage, Daredevil, Moon Knight, Iron Fist (800)


Spoiler Alert!

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THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY:
I think 300 seems right, I just didn’t get any wins. His powerset is useful. Flash Time is especially cool, you can NEVER get any sort of height on speedsters with it, and Quicksilver especially loves it for setting up a big whirlwind. Definitely Draftable. He’s just a bit fragile for what he is, even with 7 defense.


GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT:
He has huge potential, but I just don’t think I’m good at playing these guys. I know there’s quite a few more synergy pieces out, but aside from having to learn too many new figures, I wanted to see if he’d bring new life to older figures. I think the speedsters’ weaknesses need just something else, which maybe our other designs have.
 
Re: The Book of Flash (Flash Family) - public playtesting

Thanks LP! Rough results, but glad they were fun at least. :)
 
Re: The Book of Flash (Flash Family) - public playtesting

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM
NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: FLASH (WALLY WEST (LEADER))
VERSION TESTED
Spoiler Alert!

Army Test
Map: Icy Road
Units: (HEROES FOR HIRE) Luke Cage (190), Iron Fist (260), Shang-Chi (230), Daredevil (II) (200), Jessica Jones (220) (1,100) vs Flash (Wally) (300), Flash (Jay) (220), Flash (Barry) (250), Flash (Barry CW) (260), Iris (70) (1,100)
Spoiler Alert!

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VERSION TESTED
Spoiler Alert!

Army Test
Map: Mountain Spring
Units: (JUSTICE LEAUGE STRIKE TEAM II) Wonder Woman (JL) (310), Hawkwoman (260), Green Arrow (JL) (210), Black Canary (JL) (220), Plastic Man (JL) (200) (1.200) vs Flash (Wally) (300), Flash (Jay) (220), Vibe (Cisco) (140), Flash (Barry) (250), XS (150), Impulse (140) (1,200)
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Re: The Book of Flash (Flash Family) - public playtesting

Thanks Bats! I'm definitely cool with him feeling like an add-on to Iris builds - she often appears in Flash Family events in some capacity. Them working together rather than choosing one or the other is a positive for sure.

Results have looked pretty close here, so are you guys comfortable moving to Final Editing as-is?
 
Re: The Book of Flash (Flash Family) - public playtesting

Are Speed Force’s unblockables intended to be usable with Flash Time movement?

Pre-Yea
 
Re: The Book of Flash (Flash Family) - public playtesting

I am, personally. I definitely think his worth will be subject to his army builds (my first build was a lot more successful than my second) but his armies felt competitive in both tests for me and he was a big part of that for both (he also rolled hot for unblockables in the first test and cold for them in the second, which was part of things).
 
Re: The Book of Flash (Flash Family) - public playtesting

Are Speed Force’s unblockables intended to be usable with Flash Time movement?

Pre-Yea

No. That's actually something we closed down on the other Wally Flash because it wasn't the intent for him to use them for Speed Dodge and for the extra 4 space movement for Super Speed, etc.

But pre-yea as well.
 
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