The Book of Falcon

[Hahma]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Design Phase

Last Army test completed but I think I need to do another. The Wrecking Crew failed to put up much of a fight against the Heroes for Hire & as such Falcon didn't get much of a show in.

I think I need smaller armies where he is the biggest in his team. Any suggestions for this match-up?

Well if he helped negate jungle brush defense bonus vs. range, then that's certainly helping in an indirect way.

The Crew are better w/o others, unless others either use all OM's early or late. The key with the Crew as a team is to OM them a lot (particularly Wrecker) to give them the best chance of getting extra turns. That said, Punisher and Iron Fist can be pretty nasty too and it seemed like Black Widow was pretty dangerous as well. 3 wounds from Elektra with her ranged attack is pretty good, even if she had height, though she couldn't have killed him with Assassin's Mark d20 because he's got Super Strength.

Great work on the tests A3n, though I don't know if you need to do another one. He seemed 150ish with HH tests and did well vs. Squads. His team lost a close one in the first army test and the second one they won. One thing I would like to see from public testing is one test with jungle brush/trees and shadow and one without because he really shouldn't be relegated to be drafted only for maps with jungle brush and shadow tiles. He fights in the city too and should be priced accordingly. Draftable on any map, but way draftable on a jungle map or one with shadow tiles would be ideal.

I agree with the older mini version of him by the way.

 

[tcglkn]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Design Phase

For the older mini which seems to be the clear favorite here:

The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Sinister set.
Its model number and name are #055-057 / Falcon.
Its model number and name are #207 / Sam Wilson.​

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Design Phase

fwiw - I'd be comfortable sending this guy to playtesting at 150. I'm happy to wait until you're comfortable with it too, though, A3n.

 

[Hahma]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Design Phase

fwiw - I'd be comfortable sending this guy to playtesting at 150. I'm happy to wait until you're comfortable with it too, though, A3n.

 

[A3n]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Design Phase

fwiw - I'd be comfortable sending this guy to playtesting at 150. I'm happy to wait until you're comfortable with it too, though, A3n.

I am a bit more comfortable now. I have ran that 3rd test it he was a little more active although I kind of feel for him to be draftable 140 would be better but I will see what the playtesters say. I just have to type that other test up.

 

[Hahma]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Design Phase

Groovy

We can send him out at 140 if you feel that would be better.

 

[A3n]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Design Phase

Playtest updated.

I did make a mistake whilst playing the extra army test. The mistake didn't affect Falcon's performance but the end result would have been a different story had I applied the correct amount of wound markers to Bullseye.

I feel that he is competitive on the right maps at 150 but he wouldn't ever be picked over others at this cost. I think 140 would make him draftable & he might even come down lower for maps that don't have the shadow & brush pieces. Will see what the public playtests bring back.

I propose Falcon move to public playtesting @ 140 points.

 

[tcglkn]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Design Phase

Yea

 

[Hahma]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Design Phase

YEA

140 would be a cool cost for him as there aren't too many at that cost. So what if he's worth a little more on shadow and jungle maps, I'd rather have that than him only being drafted on those maps.

 

[tcglkn]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Design Phase

I guess 9 designs at 140 points isn't that many.

 

[Griffin]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Design Phase

Yea, though I think 130 would be better considering this guy is 4/4 with no range and we crimelords for less points with those stats and range and synergy.

 

[Hahma]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Design Phase

I guess 9 designs at 140 points isn't that many.

Well how many of those 9 are anything like Falcon though? A lot of different types of units at that cost. Madame HYDRA, Puppet Master, Scarecrow, Spider Girl, Nightcrawler to name a few. Falcon would fit a different role than those others.

Yea, though I think 130 would be better considering this guy is 4/4 with no range and we crimelords for less points with those stats and range and synergy.

If public tests show that he should come down, I'm all for it. Right now all we can go by is A3n's feel for him after playing him in 3 tests.

His 4/4 is different in that while he doesn't have range, will be a 5/5 vs. non-flying figures adjacent figures and be able to remove 1 skull from what's rolled by an adjacent normal attack against him.

He certainly can be countered by range or flying figures, so he'll have to have some good teammates to help with that. Cap can help out vs. ranged squaddies and Iron Man can help against flyers.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Design Phase

Yeah, his special powers definitely make those stats look better. A3n's got my trust. yea at 140.

 

[SirGalahad]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Vote for Playtesting Phase

yea

 

[tcglkn]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Vote for Playtesting Phase

Being a Pre-Margloth design, this passes to Playtesting.

 

[A3n]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Vote for Playtesting Phase

Being a Pre-Margloth design, this passes to Playtesting.

Thanx mate.

 

[Hahma]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Vote for Playtesting Phase

I thought I had these already with the brainstorming post, but they must have gotten cleared out when the post was deleted for this thread.

 

[Griffin]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Vote for Playtesting Phase

I really like this one a lot:

With a background of an aerial view of a city and some birds, that would look awesome.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Vote for Playtesting Phase

Yeah, that one really stood out to me as well. Very sharp!

 

[Griffin]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Vote for Playtesting Phase

SPECIES = HUMAN

Is this guy really a Human? He isn't a Mutant or a Mutate, but he has powers.

 

[Hahma]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Vote for Playtesting Phase

The only power he has is telepathy with birds that Red Skull gave him with the Cosmic Cube. He flies with mechanical wings/power source. So if anything he could be a mutate, but kind of a weak one. We could probably go either way with him like we did with Cap and Nick Fury. Neither gained abilities naturally, but neither has a major power granted that mutates generally get. Is bird telepathy on par with peak human abilities or longevity? If so then Falcon can remain Human.

 

[Griffin]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Vote for Playtesting Phase

Any form of telepathy is a non-human power, and since he acquired those powers and was not born with them, that makes him a Mutate right?

 

[Griffin]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Vote for Playtesting Phase

C3G INITIAL PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT Falcon

- THEME TEST/ Check to see if there are any powers or stats on the test unit card that does not accurately reflect the theme or likeness of what the character would and could do. Also consider destructible objects, and whether or not this characters powers should affect them.
Aerial Advantage is sketchy.
If Falcon always has height advantage because he is flying over figures that don't have flying, what about when he can't fly either (Vertigo or a RotV glyph). If Vertigo prevents Falcon from flying, why should he still have height advantage on a figure when he attacks them? Also, why does this power apply here and not to every other flier in the game? What makes him a better flier than Angel, Superman, Hawkgirl, Martian Manhunter, etc.? I think this power is very useful in game play, but the theme is all out of syn with the rest of the game.

- MIRROR TEST/ Check to see if the unit were played against itself, if there would be any loops that would upset the balance of the Game.
Pass

- BONDING TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing Bonding abilities to make sure there are no continual Bonding possibilities that do not stop appropriately or do not stop at all. This is to prevent loops in Bonding.
Pass

- SYNERGIES TEST/ Compare the unit card with all possible currently existing synergies to make sure there are no factors that could break the game by making any unit too powerful or too weak.
Pass

- POWER CHECK/ Consider the test unit and all existing units and all glyphs to compare to and check for any powers that could be over amplified and break the game. Each power must define when it takes place, who or what it affects, and What are the stipulations on the power if there are any.
Pass

- FUN TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play.
Pass

- FUN COMPETITIVE TEST/ Consider whether or not the design was fun to play against.
Pass

- DRAFTING TEST/ Consider whether or not this design is worth drafting.
Pass

- USAGE TEST/ Consider whether or not all of the powers on this card were used or at least usable.
Pass

- STRATEGY TEST/ Consider whether or not the design offers any real strategy or interesting tactics to the overall game.
Pass

Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes.
- What should be the unit's point value? 140.
- Give a brief overview. He is an odd one to play with because grabbing height isn't really all that relevant anymore since he ALWAYS adds to his attack/defense +1, and enemies cannot use height on him.
Map: Negative Zone.
Units: Falcon, Black Canary, Robin (Tim), and Green Arrow (Oliver) - VS - Merlyn, Talia, Hand Ninja x2, and Count Vertigo.

Spoiler Alert!

BC and Robin cleaned up all but one Ninja, while Merlyn shot down on them. BC died and Robin was ignored by Talia who went after GA instead. GA had wounded Vertigo and was now running scared while firing shots at Talia. Falcon got involved and hurt Talia, but decided to fly across the map and go after the last Ninja, but Count Vertigo slowed him down a little. GA took LEA and killed Talia, then Falcon killed the last Ninja. Merlyn snipped robin one last time, then Falcon badly hurt Merlyn. Merlyn with his bow hit Falcon at the end of the round and the start of the next and killed him. Then Robin Skill shot Vertigo for the kill. GA went running after merlyn while sticking to the shadows, but Merlyn ambushed him and engaged him and had GA within two of his life. GA took another wound to leave the engagement, then moved to same height and skill shot Merlyn for the win.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? GA wins with 3 wounds.

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes.
- What should be the unit's point value? 140.
- Give a brief overview. Falcon is fast and his powers are useful.
Map: Negative Zone.
Units: Falcon, Angel, Captain America (Hasbro), and Red Skull (Hasbro) - VS - Batman I, Robin I, Alfred, Oracle, and Venom (Hasbro).

Spoiler Alert!

The Vigilantes had the initial momentum, but a nice Cap pod kept their defenses high and Cap was throwing Shields and taxing the Vigilantes little by little. Then Oracle used her Secret Attack Plan on Venom and Venom killed Cap, but Red Skull retaliated with a natural 20 on Dust of Death. Batman killed Red Skull with fists and team ups with Robin, then Alfred pulled Batman out to heal him of 1 wound. Falcon nearly killed the isolated Robin, and Falcon started heading towards Oracle with Angel carrying him. Angel ran interference against Batman, and Falcon broke off and went and killed Alfred. Oracle decided to take action and hurt Falcon with her secret attack plan, then Falcon killed Oracle who whiffed on her Defense. Batman killed Falcon with a normal attack and that triggered Angel to take height. Angel took several wounds from E-strike, but survived Batman and Robin's attempts to kill him. Angel took Robin out but Batman quickly snuck in one last wound on Angel.
Who won and how many wounds did they have? Batman wins with full health.

 

[Griffin]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Vote for Playtesting Phase

You're welcome buddy.

 

[Hahma]

Re: The Book of Falcon - Vote for Playtesting Phase

Any form of telepathy is a non-human power, and since he acquired those powers and was not born with them, that makes him a Mutate right?

Yeah