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The Book of Executioner 616

Dysole

Dysole

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The Book of Executioner 616

SoV - Ruthless Judgment


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Basic Side Card:
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The figure used for this unit is a Mechwarrior Solaris VII figure from the Heavy Class Action set. The model name is Neanderthal.

The figure fits on a normal single base.​

Character Bio: Bio soon


DEADLY STRIKE
When attacking with Executioner 616, each skull rolled counts as one additional hit.

REMOTE DETONATION
Instead of attacking, you may choose Executioner 616 or another Soulborg you control within 4 clear sight spaces of Executioner 616. Roll the 20-sided die. Add 3 to your die roll if the chosen figure is medium, 7 to your die roll if the chosen figure is large, and 10 to your die roll if the chosen figure is huge. If you roll 1-12, nothing happens. If you roll 13-19, all figures adjacent to the chosen figure receive one wound. If you roll a 20 or higher, all figures adjacent to the chosen figure receive 3 wounds. After using Remote Detonation, destroy the chosen figure.
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-Rulings and Clarifications-
  • Executioner 616 is a single hex figure.

-Combinations and Synergies-


Synergy Benefits Offered
Soulborgs that can be destroyed with Remote Detonation

Synergy Benefits Received

  • BEORN BOLTCUTTER : UPGRADE
    As a Unique Soulborg Hero, Executioner 616 may benefit from Beorn Boltcutter’s UPGRADE power.
  • DEATHCOMMANDER MARK 3 : HEAVY SUPPORT COMMAND BEACON and MARKED FOR DESTRUCTION
    As a Unique Large Soulborg Hero who follows Utgar , Executioner 616 may take a turn with Deathcommander Mark 3’s HEAVY SUPPORT COMMAND BEACON. As a Soulborg who follows Utgar, she may also benefit from Deathcommander Mark 3's MARKED FOR DESTRUCTION power.
  • HOPLITRON : MELEE SOULBORG BONDING
    As a Soulborg with a Range of 1, Executioner 616 may take a turn with a Hoplitron's MELEE SOULBORG BONDING.
  • ORNAK : RED FLAG OF FURY AURA
    As a Unique Hero who follows Utgar, Executioner 616 may take a turn with a Ornak's RED FLAG OF FURY AURA.
  • ZETTIAN INFANTRY : UTGAR SOULBORG BONDING
    As a Soulborg Hero who follows Utgar, Executioner 616 may take a turn with the Zettian Infantry's UTGAR SOULBORG BONDING.

Synergy Imposed
  • THE AXEGRINDERS OF BURNING FORGE : FEARLESS ADVANTAGE
    As a large figure, Executioner 616 causes The Axegrinders of Burning Forge to roll an extra die when attacking or defending against her due to their FEARLESS ADVANTAGE special power.
  • BEORN BOLTCUTTER : SABOTAGE
    As a Soulborg, Executioner 616 rolls two fewer defense dice when adjacent to Beorn Boltcutter due to his SABOTAGE power.
  • MAJOR J15 : BREACHING SCYTHE
    As a large figure, Executioner 616 causes Major J15 to add 1 automatic skull when making a normal attack against her, due to his BREACHING SCYTHE special power.
  • OMNICRON REPULSORS : EMP RESPONSE
    As a Soulborg, Executioner 616 will cause EMP RESPONSE to trigger if an Omnicron Repulsor successfully defends against an attack from her.
  • QUASATCH HUNTERS : TECHNO HATRED
    As a Soulborg, Executioner 616 causes Quasatch Hunters to roll an extra die when attacking her due to their TECHNO HATRED special power.
  • ZOMBIE HULK : ZOMBIES RISE AGAIN
    As a large figure, Executioner 616 causes an opposing Undead Savage that destroys her to replace her with a previously destroyed Zombie Hulk due to Zombie Hulk's ZOMBIE RISES AGAIN special power.


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-Strategy, Tactics and Tips-
- TBA​
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-Heroscapers Community Contributions-

Power Ranking & Master Index
The math on spending an attack to kill your own figures is rarely favorable. Still, decent stats of her own, and Zettian Infantry and Hoplitrons provide bonding options (and potential explosives). B-

Unit Strategy Review
 
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Just played a game with him, pretty interesting but getting into situations where I'd even consider the detonation were far and few between. Ultimately not a great debut for my playgroup but I like the new option for hoppiltrons, very curious to mix and match him with all the other things he meshes with though.
 
Try Again

Given the number of playtests, I'm surprised that a tournament would provide those results as rats really don't make her as broken as you might first think.

~Dysole, noting that the rat gets blown up even if you miss your roll
 
With most detonations failing on (yet still sacrificing) your small soulborgs (ie. rats), it seems unlikely to make them any stronger. I've yet to play with Executioner. I'm sure the rats would be fun to play with her (do soulborgs have gender?), but detonation seems like it would be a tempting waste of your otherwise effective screen.

I'm excited to try Executioner to see how she plays.
 
I'm happy to play you with a B-tier army where you get rats and executioner. I'll even play melee without disengage or special attacks. Say, Executioner + Rats x3 + Isamu versus 5 squads of Drones. If it's broken as you describe, that should be an easy and reliable win for executioner.
 
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I've played multiple games with 616 and the figure I Blew up the most was 616.

Killing rats simply was not worth it most of the time. Sometimes theoryscaping fails and you have put the figure on the board to realize how good/bad it really is.
 
Gender Studies

To answer your question bmon, some soulborgs have a gender and some don't. I decided to make her female since no soulborgs to date had been and I like messing with gendered expectations.

As for the arguments that she's broken, dok's army offer seems valid and I'm guessing Grimnak is really underestimating how hard it is to place rats so the other army can't get to Executioner, place them not adjacent to each other so explosions don't hit the rats, and also how close to the front lines remote detonation places her. I'm kind of baffled that a tournament would have the results suggested based on my own and other's playtests unless the card was being played wrong.

~Dysole, who will fully admit her idea for Executioner started with " Wouldn't it be hilarious to make your whole army 7K?"
 
Re: Gender Studies

Dysole said:
To answer your question bmon, some soulborgs have a gender and some don't. I decided to make her female since no soulborgs to date had been and I like messing with gendered expectations.
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Ok. I always assumed any pronoun of "he" or "him" for soulborgs was just a general catch-all and not an indication of actual gender. If they do have gender, I dig it. The fact that she's an executioner makes it all the more awesome. Motherly instinct? Not here.
 
@Grimnak you still won that game against my Rats and 616 cheese and bacon sandwhich army with a hodgepodge. I lost twice with the Excecutioner (out of 3 games). In the game I did win, Excecutioner never came into play (since it was a blowout).

That being said, I never popped her yesterday. I always prefered to pop rats, to almost no effect.

For the record that army was: Q9, Raelin (rotv), Rats x4, and Excecutioner.

The main debilitating part for the black and white 'borg is that him exploding rats is very easy to see. Often times you can simply chance the leaving engagement attack or simply destroy the rat.

This robo is good in her own right, but nowhere near Fen Hydra levels or even Q-brother levels.
 
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Any game-wide power is gonna be strong for sure. I'm not sure if broken is the right way to look at it, but perhaps competitive. Time will tell. Good game for certain!

Edit: Well I'll be. 6000 posts! Took a while.
 
Figures can be broken on a number of different levels, of course.

Units that come to mind that are broken in the sense that a.) they're used all the time because of their abilities and b.) match up well with pretty much everything:

-Hydra
-4th Mass
-Raelin RotV
-Deathreavers
-Marro Warriors
-Isamu

I'd put the Executioner on a level below these units. As in, if customs were more commonplace, this figure would be used quite a bit more often than others for the same price because he abuses one of the most easy to use and "broken" squads in the game (Deathreavers) and other extremely viable squads (Blasts/Glads).


Although, as an addendum, I will say that for a dying game such as Heroscape, I'm honestly taken by surprise at the hostility towards a guy saying a unit seems very good and stating his reasons for why. I'm not taking jabs at anyone, and I'm not even offering other suggestions because, honestly, I'm not sure myself other than maybe raising his price. Is he a cool concept? Hell yeah. But jeez, all this has really encouraged me to do is not give my opinions on figures anymore on these forums.
 
Don't look at it like that bud. Tone can be interpretted in many ways on the internet.

The good news about this piece is that it is fun. Cost notwithstanding.
 
flameslayer93 said:
For the record that army was: Q9, Raelin (rotv), Rats x4, and Excecutioner.
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hahahahahahahahaha.

Q9, ratsx4, Raelin, and a ham sandwich will win you a lot of games.

flameslayer93 said:
This robo is good in her own right, but nowhere near Fen Hydra levels or even Q-brother levels.
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Yes. She's not remotely close to the threat level of the Hydra.

Grimnak said:
dok said:
I'm happy to play you with a B-tier army where you get rats and executioner. I'll even play melee without disengage or special attacks. Say, Executioner + Rats x3 + Isamu versus 5 squads of Drones. If it's broken as you describe, that should be an easy and reliable win for executioner.
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I actually feel more than confident that the Drones would lose that matchup.
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Why settle for feeling? I was making a serious suggestion. I'll play the matchup with you, online, on any evening of your choice. Here's a link.

You're probably right that it's winnable for the rats, but I was very consciously giving you a matchup that sets things up exactly as you would want: non-disengaging, normal-attacking melee, and moreover an army that wants to swarm and pack its figures in. And no matter what you think of Executioner, I'm giving you 130 points of A/A+ against my B army. If you can't win that matchup, with almost everything in your favor, it would completely annihilate the notion that the figure is broken.

Broken means A+ or beyond levels. Executioner is simply not at that level.

Grimnak said:
Although, as an addendum, I will say that for a dying game such as Heroscape, I'm honestly taken by surprise at the hostility towards a guy saying a unit seems very good and stating his reasons for why. I'm not taking jabs at anyone, and I'm not even offering other suggestions because, honestly, I'm not sure myself other than maybe raising his price.
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And I'm not taking jabs at you, either. I'm taking jabs at your argument. I'm offering you a way to demonstrate it, in an extremely favorable matchup, against a B tier army.

Grimnak said:
Is he a cool concept? Hell yeah. But jeez, all this has really encouraged me to do is not give my opinions on figures anymore on these forums.
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She.

I always welcome discussion. Don't look at the push-back as a reason to not give opinions. Just be prepared to discuss, debate, and ultimately provide results.
 
Now I want an actual ham sandwhich... mmmmm ham

@dok

Apparently not, I went 1-3 yesterday lol. To be fair I don't have nearly enough practice with any of those units save for maybe Raelin. ;)
 
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flameslayer93 said:
@dok

Apparently not, I went 1-3 yesterday lol. To be fair I don't have nearly enough practice with any of those units save for maybe Raelin. ;)
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:lol:

You probably wasted too many turns blowing up your own figures instead of shooting with Q9.

(not joking)
 
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dok said:
flameslayer93 said:
@dok

Apparently not, I went 1-3 yesterday lol. To be fair I don't have nearly enough practice with any of those units save for maybe Raelin. ;)
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:lol:

You probably wasted too many turns blowing up your own figures instead of shooting with Q9.

(not joking)
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Actually I only took a turn with Excecutioner once while Q9 was alive. Q9 just couldn't get himself going. A couple dwarf builds made an impact for sure though.
 
Grimnak said:
But jeez, all this has really encouraged me to do is not give my opinions on figures anymore on these forums.
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If you are ever feeling this way, take a step back, and unwind. I've had my own ideas and opinions I believed in challenged before, and it has left me feeling less than stellar. Regardless of whether you are right or wrong, take a breather, go do something unrelated to Heroscape, or these forums, and come back with a clear head.

I know that this place can sometimes feel hostile, but keep in mind that everyone here has their own opinions, and they will feel just as challenged when those opinions are questioned as you do. It doesn't mean that they don't want you to voice those challenges, it just means that they want you to back them up however you can, before they will simply accept them.

I hope that you can feel that it's still okay to voice your opinion in the future. When something really is broken, it's important to point it out. Even if that opinion isn't accepted by everyone, it draws attention to it, and maybe in the future others will come along and agree with what you pointed out. We all hope that you stick around to enjoy this game with us.
 
First of all, your concerns are justified. We all know how abusable the rats are and no one wants to see additions make them better.

Many feel that it is not the case with Executioner 616. She was released under conclusion that she does not improve the rats. And that is exactly what is being debated.

We all enjoy the game and we all enjoy debating the game. That's all this is. I'm even taking time out of my football Sunday to post my opinions because it's fun. I've enjoyed your posts. Please don't take it any other way.
 
Villain Song

bmon said:
Dysole said:
To answer your question bmon, some soulborgs have a gender and some don't. I decided to make her female since no soulborgs to date had been and I like messing with gendered expectations.
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Ok. I always assumed any pronoun of "he" or "him" for soulborgs was just a general catch-all and not an indication of actual gender. If they do have gender, I dig it. The fact that she's an executioner makes it all the more awesome. Motherly instinct? Not here.
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Yeah, I definitely view her as more of an Azula type. The gender thing is based on the fact that they have Mariedian souls (hence the name soulborgs) and that's where the gender thing comes from; some go by he and some go by it and now we have a she.

As for @Grimnak, I will fully cop to being a bit defensive about the unit since I specifically built and tested her pre submission to make sure that rats didn't break her because I really wanted the figure to work. For me specifically, using the word broken implied to me that the figure is not merely good (which was the intention), but that the figure was game breakingly good which is something I both had tried hard to not do and something which SoV had come to the conclusion she did not do. I didn't intend to shut you down. I intended to help you understand that your concerns had been taken into consideration and that the unit is something which is certainly intended to be competetive but not game breaking.

~Dysole, who honestly thinks Hops are the best pairing
 
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