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The Book of Dragon Man

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The Book of Dragon Man​

C3G MARVEL WAVE 14
FANTASTIC ADVENTURES​

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Comic PDF​

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Mini PDF

The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Avengers set.
Its model number and name are #020 / Dragon Man.​

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Character Bio - Dragon Man is one of the most powerful androids ever created. Dragon Man has the mentality of a young child or docile dog but it is easily controlled and manipulated by ultrasonics or hypnotism. Dragon Man is not evil in nature and used more so as a pawn for evil men with diabolical schemes. Throughout the years, Dragon Man has been used as a powerful pawn for numerous villains including Diablo, Ringmaster, Mad Thinker, Puppet Master and Machinesmith. Dragon Man has encountered numerous heroes including Spider-Man, the Hulk and Captain America but most notably against the Fantastic Four. Dragon Man has two wings providing him the capability to fly and can exhale methane gas which is ignited by striking his specialized teeth. The flames he produce can reach a temperature of 8000 degrees Fahrenheit.
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-Rulings and Clarifications-
  • Base Clarification: Dragon Man is a double-based figure.
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-Combinations and Synergies-

Incoming Synergy:Outgoing Synergy:
  • N/A
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-Immunities, Benefits, and Weaknesses-

Immunities:Benefits:Weaknesses:_________________________________________________________________

-Strategy, Tactics and Tips-
  • As an Android, Dragon Man is immune to a number of special powers, such as Baron von Strucker's Death Spore Release. However, they also have certain vulnerabilities, such as Strucker's Satan's Claw Special Attack.
-Heroscapers Community Contributions-
 
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Re: The Book of Dragon Man: Design

NAME = DRAGON MAN


SPECIES = ANDROID
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = CREATURE
PERSONALITY = FEROCIOUS

SIZE/HEIGHT = HUGE 9

LIFE = 6

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 6
DEFENSE = 6

POINTS = 320

TAIL SMASH
When attacking with Dragon Man's normal attack, you may choose for the attack to also affect all figures adjacent to the defending figure except Dragon Man. Roll attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice separately.

FIRE BREATH SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 4. Attack 5.
Choose a figure to attack. Any figures adjacent to the chosen figure are also affected by this special attack except Dragon Man. Roll 5 attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice separately. If Dragon Man inflicts 1 or more wounds on a figure with this special attack, after placing those wounds, you may roll 1 unblockable attack die against that figure. Figures with the Lava Resistant special power are not affected by this special attack.

WEAK-MINDED 2
If any player rolls the 20-sided die to take temporary or permanent control of Dragon Man, that player may add 2 to the roll.

SUPER STRENGTH

FLYING
 
Re: The Book of Dragon Man: Design

And Hahma, your Miniature pictures are linked to the OP. :up:
 
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Ooh scary!

Two things: is he lava resistant? I mean, he's just a robot, right?

And if he's not, it seems a shame to not have Weak Minded here, as he is repeatedly mentioned as not being evil unless manipulated by others. Really, weak minded is a better fit here than on Awesome Android (who is currently a paralegal, which actually strikes me as pretty smart :lol: )

Also, I wouldn't mind seeing Attack/Defense of 7 on this guy. It's usually a pretty big deal when he shows up, and that mini is pretty big.
 
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FIRE BREATH SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 4. Attack 5.
Choose a figure to attack. Any figures adjacent to the chosen figure are also affected by this special attack. Roll 5 attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice separately. If Dragon Man inflicts 1 or more wounds on a figure with this special attack, after placing those wounds, you may roll 1 unblockable attack die for each wound inflicted. Figures with the Lava ResistanT special power are not affected by this special attack.
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So say your Dragon Man attacks my Superman with this special attack, and my Wonder Woman, Robin, Batman, and Aquaman are adjacent to my Superman. Superman takes 1 wound, Wonder Woman takes 2 wounds, Robin takes 3 wounds, and Batman takes 0 wounds. How many dice am I supposed to roll for the fire damage?

Also, this is too powerful of an attack IMO. If the attack was down to Range 4. Attack 3. I think it would be much better.
 
Re: The Book of Dragon Man: Design

Margloth said:
Ooh scary!

Two things: is he lava resistant? I mean, he's just a robot, right?

And if he's not, it seems a shame to not have Weak Minded here, as he is repeatedly mentioned as not being evil unless manipulated by others. Really, weak minded is a better fit here than on Awesome Android (who is currently a paralegal, which actually strikes me as pretty smart :lol: )

Also, I wouldn't mind seeing Attack/Defense of 7 on this guy. It's usually a pretty big deal when he shows up, and that mini is pretty big.
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The wiki said he can withstand temperatures of over 1000+ degrees. I'm not sure what constitutes Lava Resistance but I think that does.

Well I was designing Awesome Android at the point in his career where he basically had to have orders to do anything. He couldn't function on his own. IMO that's the iconic Dragon Man. Dragon Man was designed to be unintelligent but he wasn't Weak-Minded per say.
 
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Griffin said:
FIRE BREATH SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 4. Attack 5.
Choose a figure to attack. Any figures adjacent to the chosen figure are also affected by this special attack. Roll 5 attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice separately. If Dragon Man inflicts 1 or more wounds on a figure with this special attack, after placing those wounds, you may roll 1 unblockable attack die for each wound inflicted. Figures with the Lava ResistanT special power are not affected by this special attack.
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So say your Dragon Man attacks my Superman with this special attack, and my Wonder Woman, Robin, Batman, and Aquaman are adjacent to my Superman. Superman takes 1 wound, Wonder Woman takes 2 wounds, Robin takes 3 wounds, and Batman takes 0 wounds. How many dice am I supposed to roll for the fire damage?

Also, this is too powerful of an attack IMO. If the attack was down to Range 4. Attack 3. I think it would be much better.
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You'd roll one die against Superman, 2 die against Wonder Woman, 3 die against Robin and none against Batman or Aquaman.

His fire is incredibly hot:

Marvel Wiki said:
Fire-Breath: Dragon Man exhales fire through his mouth by releasing a high-pressure stream of methane gas, a by-product of his unusual digestive system, through vents in the back of his throat. The gas mixes with air from his lungs and is ignited by specialized teeth, which can spark when struck together. This fire, which reaches a temperature of about 8,000° F, can be emitted for a maximum of 7 minutes before he needs to "refuel"
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It should be a powerful attack.
 
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From Marvel Comic Database:
Superhuman Durability: Dragon Man's body, made of high-density long-chain organic polymers, which were an attempt at manufacturing life-mimicking materials, has incredible durability and strength. His thick hide is capable of resisting without rupture ballistic impacts up to and including 155mm Howitzer shells, or 300 pounds of TNT. His body can withstand extremes in both temperature (from -200° to 1,000°+ Fahrenheit) and pressure (from 0.02 to 12.5 atmospheres). Not truly alive, Dragon Man does not need oxygen to sustain his pseudo-life. He is an omnivore, capable of consuming diverse forms of matter and converting them to energy.

Fire-Breath: Dragon Man exhales fire through his mouth by releasing a high-pressure stream of methane gas, a by-product of his unusual digestive system, through vents in the back of his throat. The gas mixes with air from his lungs and is ignited by specialized teeth, which can spark when struck together. This fire, which reaches a temperature of about 8,000° F, can be emitted for a maximum of 7 minutes before he needs to "refuel"
Weaknesses


Dragon Man has the intellectual capacity of a domestic dog, and is governed by simple thoughts and feelings. His artificial brain is particularly sensitive to high pitched sounds: certain ultrasonic frequencies can jam his mental functions to paralyze him or make him highyl susceptible to external domination. Also he is vulnerable to intense cold.
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From Wiki:

Lava refers both to molten rock expelled by a volcano during an eruption and the resulting rock after solidification and cooling. This molten rock is formed in the interior of some planets, including Earth, and some of their satellites. When first erupted from a volcanic vent, lava is a liquid at temperatures from 700 °C to 1,200 °C (1,300 °F to 2,200 °F). Up to 100,000 times as viscous as water, lava can flow great distances before cooling and solidifying because of its thixotropic and shear thinning properties.
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I agree with Margloth in that Dragon Man shouldn't have Lava Resistant. His heat limit is 1,000 degrees and Lava is like 1,300-2,200 degrees.

Weak Minded seems pretty logical here.

His breath is like 8,000 degrees, it should do some damage. And considering Human Torch's Fireball is an attack of 4, I can't see Dragon Man's breath being less than 4. Banshee and BC can affect a lot of figures with a mass attack of 4, so I wouldn't see anything wrong with Dragon Man's breath attack being at least 4. Now the wording is kind of wonky as it's based on Human Torch's, but his only affects 1 figure so it is clear and makes sense. Maybe drop the burn damage.
 
Re: The Book of Dragon Man: Design

OK. So I'll swap out WEAK-MINDED 2 for Lava Resistance, I misread that as meaning he could withstand temperatures of over 1000 degrees like it was just a rough estimate.
 
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There are a ton of characters that can withstand that kind of heat, so Lava Resistant could be used on a bunch of them. It's probably not as iconic to the character as his weak-mindedness. :D
 
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I am very afraid of what that Special Attack is gonna do to Kryptonians. Each wound on Superman for example is worth 50 points.
 
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Well I agree in the sense that the attack of 5 with the potential for burn damage is pretty scary. While Human Torch can do it to a single figure, it's with an attack of 4 and he doesn't have near the staying power that Dragon Man has to use the power over and over. Especially in conjunction with Mad Thinker. I know Dragon Man is looking around 360 points, so it's not like he's a 200 point figure with that potential vs. Superman and others. Certainly mid-levels will be really affected.

Ultimately, that special attack could possibly be toned down a little. But either way, playtesting might be where he can be tweaked to be powerful and scary, but balanced for his cost.
 
Re: The Book of Dragon Man: Design

Tail Smash wording is a bit funny & will need some work.

As mentioned by others the Special Attack is too powerful also.
 
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I'm not going to worry about the special attack's power level until some testing has been done for it. I theoryscaped Cyborg's special attack to be really rough and it's been a bit of a dud so far.

The special attack does need clearer wording, though, about how wounds are inflicted and how unblockable dice are rolled for which figure. I don't think it reads very clearly right now.

I like the general direction here, though. :)
 
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I agree. Testing is the ultimate answer to concerns, especially when concerns have been brought up and extra attention can be paid to those concerns, where tweaking can be made if necessary. Though it seems kind of strong with it being a high special attack that can bypass a lot of special defenses and add a lot of auto wounds after bad defense rolls and more unblockable dice to roll.

That said, it would be best to keep units away from each other when going against this guy. Also, putting your figure adjacent to a key teammate of Dragon Man would put his own teammate at risk with this attack also. So it could add some neat strategy for both players.
 
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Here's a tweak that might keep it in balance a bit more without destroying the theme: What if it was just one unblockable die if he inflicted one or more wounds.
 
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I think that would offer less swing and less p!ssed off moments from a bad die roll. :D
 
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I think that's a good call and might make it easier to word.
 
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IAmBatman said:
I'm not going to worry about the special attack's power level until some testing has been done for it. I theoryscaped Cyborg's special attack to be really rough and it's been a bit of a dud so far.
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Cyborg's SA was never going to be an issue. You can't often you roll high twice in a row ;)
 
Re: The Book of Dragon Man: Design

tcglkn said:
NAME = Dragon Man

SPECIES = Android
UNIQUENESS = Unique Hero
CLASS = Creature
PERSONALITY = Ferocious

SIZE/HEIGHT = Huge 9

LIFE = 6

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 6
DEFENSE = 6

POINTS = 360?

TAIL SMASH
When attacking with Dragon Man's normal attack, you may choose for the attack to affect all figures adjacent to the defending figure except Dragon Man. Roll attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice separately.

FIRE BREATH SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 4. Attack 5.
Choose a figure to attack. Any figures adjacent to the chosen figure are also affected by this special attack. Roll 5 attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice separately. If Dragon Man inflicts 1 or more wounds on a figure with this special attack, after placing those wounds, you may roll 1 unblockable attack die against that figure. Dragon Man and figures with the Lava Resistant special power are not affected by this special attack.

WEAK-MINDED 2
If any player rolls the 20-sided die to take temporary or permanent control of Dragon Man, that player may add 2 to the roll.

FLYING
SUPERSTRENGTH
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This is what we are looking at right now. I know Tail Smash's wording is a little off but that's the best I could do. I'd be willing to take some suggestions here.
 
Re: The Book of Dragon Man: Design

Making the special attack less powerful? That's a good idea. :D:up:
 
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Special attack reads much more clearly too. Nice work.

One thing Tail Smash needs for sure is language clarifying that it doesn't affect Dragon Man. I probably would have worded the rest of it pretty much how you did, so I don't have any suggestions there.
 
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TAIL SMASH
When attacking with Dragon Man's normal attack, you may choose for the attack to affect all figures except Dragon Man adjacent to the defending figure. Roll attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice separately.
 
Re: The Book of Dragon Man: Design

Margloth said:
TAIL SMASH
When attacking with Dragon Man's normal attack, you may choose for the attack to affect all figures except Dragon Man adjacent to the defending figure. Roll attack dice once for all affected figures. Each figure rolls defense dice separately.
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I would move "except Dragon Man" to the end of that sentence but it looks good otherwise.
 
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