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The Book of Darkholder

Karat

Karat

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The Book of Darkholder​


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Comic PDF

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The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the World's Finest set.
Its model number and name are #012 / Occultist.​

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Character Bio - Darkholders, an ancient sect of occult worshippers, have their origins as acolytes of Thulsa Doom. After his death, his followers got their hands on the ancient and malevolent Darkhold pages and used them to create the first Vampire, Varnae, and brought about the sinking of Atlantis. Today, these occultists are focused solely on bringing about the return of their lord and master, the Elder God, Chthon.
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-Rulings and Clarifications-
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-Combinations and Synergies-

Incoming Synergy:
Outgoing Synergy:
  • Instead of attacking with a Darkholder, you can attack with a Demon within 5 clear sight spaces of a Cultist you control.
  • Darkholder's Ritual Sacrifice special power is powered up by Cultists, and a figure destroyed by it can be placed on the card of a Hell Lord you control.
Immunities, Benefits, and Weaknesses:
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-Strategy, Tactics and Tips-
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-Heroscapers Community Contributions-
 
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Re: The Book of Darkholders (Design Phase)

NAME = DARKHOLDER

SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNCOMMON HERO
CLASS = CULTIST
PERSONALITY = MALICIOUS

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 3

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 5
ATTACK = 3
DEFENSE = 3

POINTS = 105

DEMONIC COLLUSION
Instead of attacking normally with this Darkholder, you may make an immediate attack with any Common or Unique Demon you control within 5 clear sight spaces of a Cultist you control.

MAGICAL DEFENSE
When this Darkholder is attacked by an opponent's figure that does not have the Magical Defense special power, the most wounds this Darkholder can take for this attack is one.

RITUAL SACRIFICE
At the end of the round, you may reveal an "X" Order Marker on this card and choose a figure adjacent to a Darkholder you control. Roll X unblockable combat dice against the chosen figure, where X is equal to the number of Cultists adjacent to the chosen figure. You may place a figure destroyed by Ritual Sacrifice on the Army Card of a Hell Lord you control.
 
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Re: The Book of Darkholders (Design Phase)

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Re: The Book of Darkholders (Design Phase)

I like them. I'm a little worried that swarmy Uncommons tend to end up hard to track, but I think that's tough to avoid here.

I might suggest some changes to the left box (I know Ronin likes not having names the same as classes for clarity sake and I've come to agree with him), but otherwise looks like a solid bread and butter Demon synergy unit.
 
Re: The Book of Darkholders (Design Phase)

Are the references to Occultists meant to be references to Darkholders?
 
Re: The Book of Darkholders (Design Phase)

MrNobody said:
Are the references to Occultists meant to be references to Darkholders?
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To the class. In case someone wants to design a different brand of Occultists somewhere down the line. The first power was definitely meant to be Darkholder though.
 
Re: The Book of Darkholders (Design Phase)

Cheap uncommon spell casters will be an interesting design space to see explored. If it works out fine here, I could see making some good guy mages from where Dr. Strange was trained showing up to support him in a big fight.
 
Re: The Book of Darkholders (Design Phase)

Yea, some Vishanti would be pretty cool to see.
 
Re: The Book of Darkholders (Design Phase)

Karat said:
MrNobody said:
Are the references to Occultists meant to be references to Darkholders?
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To the class. In case someone wants to design a different brand of Occultists somewhere down the line. The first power was definitely meant to be Darkholder though.
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Actually, now that I'm thinking about it more I did intend for both first and last powers to work with Occultists so it would work with their leader. I'm not set on any one price here.

My main goals are balance, obviousl,y and a destruction mechanic. The Demonic Collusion was actually tossed in as a way to help boost and tie the Occultists and Demons together a bit, but isn't strictly necessary.
 
Re: The Book of Darkholders (Design Phase)

I'd worry about the Sacrifice power calling out occultist and limiting future design space. A cheap common squad of occultist would amp up that power greatly if you could suddenly roll 6 unblockable att. die vs. someone, months/years after the design was passed with a max of 2-3 in mind.
 
Re: The Book of Darkholders (Design Phase)

Yodaking said:
I'd worry about the Sacrifice power calling out occultist and limiting future design space. A cheap common squad of occultist would amp up that power greatly if you could suddenly roll 6 unblockable att. die vs. someone, months/years after the design was passed with a max of 2-3 in mind.
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That is definitely something I am considering. Maybe we should limit it by personality and class so it could be more easily avoided?



Also, Occultists are one where I almost feel like they are too (uncommon) to be a squad. Otherwise I probably would have considered a squad here.
 
Re: The Book of Darkholders (Design Phase)

I'd just use the Darkholder name for that power, only they can participate in an unholy sacrifice.
 
Re: The Book of Darkholders (Design Phase)

At the rate we're cooking, I'm slating these for June's Demonic Terrors.
 
Re: The Book of Darkholders (Design Phase)

Immediately had a sweet idea for the card here so I’ll try to whip it up today and get some feedback.
 
Re: The Book of Darkholders (Design Phase)

:cool: I'll look forward to it :popcorn:
 
Re: The Book of Darkholders (Design Phase)

Here's what I would do: just Darkholders for Demonic Collusion, any Darkholder for Ritual Sacrifice, but it gets boosted by Occultists. That's sort of how I intuited it before realizing these guys weren't just named "Occultist." :lol:

I'm also kind of thinking Cultist might be a better class here? A bit more flexible.

DEMONIC COLLUSION
Instead of attacking normally with this Darkholder, you may make an immediate attack with any Common or Unique Demon you control within 5 clear sight spaces of a Darkholder you control.

RITUAL SACRIFICE
At the end of the round, you may reveal an "X" Order Marker on this card and choose a figure adjacent to a Darkholder you control. Roll X unblockable combat dice against the chosen figure, where X is equal to the number of Occultists adjacent to the chosen figure. You may place a figure destroyed by Ritual Sacrifice on the Army Card of a Hell Lord you control.

MAGICAL DEFENSE
When this Darkholder is attacked by an opponent's figure that does not have the Magical Defense special power, the most wounds this Darkholder can take for this attack is one.
 
Re: The Book of Darkholders (Design Phase)

Karat said:
NAME = DARKHOLDER

SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNCOMMON HERO
CLASS = OCCULTIST
PERSONALITY = MALICIOUS

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 3

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 5
ATTACK = 3
DEFENSE = 4

POINTS = 125?

DEMONIC COLLUSION
Instead of attacking normally with this Darkholder, you may make an immediate attack with any Common or Unique Demon you control within 5 clear sight spaces of an Occultist you control.

MAGICAL DEFENSE
When this Darkholder is attacked by an opponent's figure that does not have the Magical Defense special power, the most wounds this Darkholder can take for this attack is one.

RITUAL SACRIFICE
At the end of the round, you may reveal an "X" Order Marker on this card and choose a figure adjacent to a Darkholder you control. Roll X unblockable combat dice against the chosen figure, where X is equal to the number of Occultists adjacent to the chosen figure. You may place a figure destroyed by Ritual Sacrifice on the Army Card of a Hell Lord you control.
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Alright, this is where I think we are in regards to what an update here will look like. Any thoughts on points? I know my estimate was double where they ended up on the last ones :lol:
 
Re: The Book of Darkholders (Design Phase)

Any thoughts on Johnny's idea of switching to Cultist? Just more general and would probably rope them into a bigger synergy web in the future.

Other than that, looks solid!
 
Re: The Book of Darkholders (Design Phase)

MrNobody said:
Any thoughts on Johnny's idea of switching to Cultist? Just more general and would probably rope them into a bigger synergy web in the future.

Other than that, looks solid!
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I'm open to whatever, generic dark ritualistic class we want to go with. I thought it was Occultist, but Cultist works just as well.
 
Re: The Book of Darkholders (Design Phase)

Looks good! I love me some creepy cults.

Is there a plan for the he’ll lord placement? I know it helps Pluto but I assume you have something else cooking
 
Re: The Book of Darkholders (Design Phase)

I'll eventually work it into Chthon, yea. Still haven't really settled on how he is gonna work though.
 
Re: The Book of Darkholders (Design Phase)

Since there don't seem to be any further comments here, I have updated the SP and I propose we move to Initial Playtesting.
 
Re: The Book of Darkholders (Vote for Initial Playtesting)

yea

I don't think any current Demons have a special attack, but should Demonic Collusion be limited to normal attacks?
 
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