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The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo)

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The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo)

C3G MARVEL SUPER SECRET EXCLUSIVE 55
JUSTICE, LIKE LIGHTNING...


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Comic PDF

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Mini PDF

The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Avengers set.
Its model number and name are #052 / Citizen V.

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Character Bio - After facing another defeat at the hands of Captain America and the Avengers, Baron Zemo decided to assemble a new team of Masters of Evil to get revenge. He put together a crack team of criminal confederates old and new to battle Earth's Mightiest Heroes, but fate had other plans. The Avengers sacrificed their lives to stop the monster known as Onslaught, and Zemo was only able to watch as his greatest foes were felled by another hand.

Zemo was bereft of purpose until inspiration struck him; with the Avengers dead, the public was desperate for new heroes to take their place. So Zemo decided to give them just what they wanted, and the Masters took on new guises to become the Thunderbolts! Goliath became Atlas, the Beetle became MACH-I, Screaming Mimi became Songbird, Fixer became Techno, Moonstone became Meteorite, and Zemo himself donned the guise of Citizen V.

Zemo lead his new team of "heroes" to success beyond his wildest dreams; the seemingly noble crime fighters won the public's admiration with hardly a struggle. Before long, they were given high-level security accesses, Zemo's stepping stone to world domination. His plans were only undone when his subordinates (encouraged by the treacherous Moonstone) went native on him before his master plan could reach completion, helping the Avengers to save the world from a future dominated by Zemo.
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-Rulings and Clarifications-
  • N/A
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-Combinations and Synergies-

Incoming Synergy:
Outgoing Synergy:
  • Citizen V may boost the 20-sided die rolls of Charlatans with his Charlatan Coordination special power or activate them with his Justice, Like Lightning... special power. Current Charlatans.
Immunities, Benefits, and Weaknesses:
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-Strategy, Tactics and Tips-
-Heroscapers Community Contributions-
  • Initial playtest: Ronin
  • Second playtest: Arkham
  • Third playtest: Yodaking
  • Fourth playtest: Soundwarp
  • Art: Comic, Figure, Background
  • Art by Arkham
  • Helmut Zemo created by Tony Isabella, Roy Thomas, and Sal Buscema
  • Citizen V persona created by Kurt Busiek and Mark Bagley
  • Comic art by Declan Shalvey
 
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Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Design Phase)

NAME = CITIZEN V
SECRET IDENTITY = HELMUT ZEMO

SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = CHARLATAN
PERSONALITY = CUNNING

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 5

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 5
DEFENSE = 4

POINTS = 190


JUSTICE, LIKE LIGHTNING...
After revealing a numbered Order Marker on any Army Card you control, instead of taking a turn with that card, you may reveal an "X" Order Marker on this card and take a turn with any two Unique Charlatans you control. Citizen V may be one of the chosen Charlatans.

CHARLATAN COORDINATION
While there is a revealed Order Marker on this card, whenever the 20-sided die is rolled for a special power on the Army Card of a Charlatan you control within 6 clear sight spaces of Citizen V, you may add or subtract 1 from the roll.

SWORDPLAY
If Citizen V attacks an adjacent figure with his normal attack and at least one skull is rolled, he may attack an adjacent figure again. He may continue attacking adjacent figures, rolling 1 fewer attack die for each subsequent attack, until you fail to roll a skull.
 
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Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Design Phase)

Comic
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Mini
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Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Design Phase)

Older versions of the leadership powers I've had for Citizen V:

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Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Design Phase)

Would you ever want to subtract 1 from a d20 roll made by a Charlatan? Generally the higher the number the better and it only works on your own figures.
 
Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Design Phase)

Would you ever want to subtract 1 from a d20 roll made by a Charlatan? Generally the higher the number the better and it only works on your own figures.

Yeah, I specifically wanted him to be able to bump Atlas down on his Ionic Imbalance rolls, either to prevent him from wounding adjacent friendlies on a 17 or to deliberately bump him down to a 1 and blow him up, if he was in good position.
 
Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Design Phase)

Okay, as long as there was a use for it.
 
Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Design Phase)

Had the brainstorm this morning that we could swap out Justice Like Lightning for a riff on Zemo's Master of Deception:

After revealing a numbered Order Marker on any Army Card you control, instead of taking a turn with that card, you may reveal an "X" Order Marker on this card and take a turn with any two Unique Charlatans you control. Citizen V may be one of the chosen Charlatans.

It's easier to use than what's in the SP, but still keeps him from being an OM hub, and calls back to Zemo's true self. That version is also a little easier to integrate with Songbird.
 
Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Design Phase)

Not against it but it is much better than the 'deals 1W requirement' version. I actually like it better as a result since it becomes more reliable, just means his point total will be higher than first envisioned.
 
Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Design Phase)

I want him to be around 190-200, but I can afford to go a little higher than that. I think that's still a pretty realistic target after the change to his leadership power, standing him up against Nightwing. Cit V's leadership would have a little more flex and he's got the d20 bonus going for him, but Nightwing's offers the extra turn with himself, plus Nightwing's dodginess can make him and his leadership hard to get rid of.
 
Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Design Phase)

I don't have access to the "Charlatan synergies" and "Current Charlatans" page. That said, there's nothing particularly concerning here. It's a neat twist on a bonding power but once a round for the "X" is fairly expensive. The d20 boost is more open-ended in power but the class restriction prevents all the obvious cheese.
 
Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Design Phase)

Ah, my bad, here's the Charlatan info. The tl;dr version is that he gets Songbird bonding and a defense boost by being a Charlatan. MACH-I and Meteorite also have solid defensive stuff that's not strictly confined to Charlatans.

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Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Design Phase)

Meteorite seems to be missing from your Charlatan list there.

I don't see anything super concerning here, though I guess it is worth mentioning that while he takes up an X marker, the nature of his power does let him function efficiently with a lot of guys you'd normally only want to put your X on (like Joker I and such). He can make use of Loki's double X power efficiently too, which is kind of a rare thing.
 
Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Design Phase)

Hmm.....Loki gets you 5 turns per round, none of which has to be with Loki. He is a pretty expensive add on to the Thunderbolts build though, so only fairly high point games is where it comes into play. I don't believe I've ever used Zemo with Loki, even though it only gets you a single turn and not a double turn, still a neat way to mitigate the 2 OM's on Loki's card requirement. I'll have to try it out at some point. Could be an interesting way to really boost up Zemo's Master Swordplay when you don't mind taking a couple of turns with Loki.
 
Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Design Phase)

Good call on Loki and the Jokers of the world. I'd thought about the possibility of throwing Cap into a T-Bolts build, but I hadn't fully thought through some of the other possibilities.

I'll monkey around with those in the initial. If it looks like out-faction stuff will push his price point too much, we can tweak the power to only work when you reveal an OM on a Charlatan.

Speaking of which, I'm proposing we go to initial testing.

@japes - yea
@Arkham
@Yodaking - yea
@johnny139
 
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Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Design Phase)

Loki isn't anything to be super concerned about. He is too expensive for what you get from him to really break anything.

I just like finding places where he can at least do something, since Loki is one of those cards where someone got a bit too overzealous with the nerf stick.

Joker or the like might be a bit more of a worry, but it's not like there aren't other ways to get a turn efficient army that can still use Joker.
 
Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Design Phase)

Loki isn't anything to be super concerned about. He is too expensive for what you get from him to really break anything.

I just like finding places where he can at least do something, since Loki is one of those cards where someone got a bit too overzealous with the nerf stick.

Joker or the like might be a bit more of a worry, but it's not like there aren't other ways to get a turn efficient army that can still use Joker.
Thank you.

I really appreciate your insight and the rest of the CRB as well.

I do not think it gets said enough.

'Tis the season. :)

Thank you CRB.
 
Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Vote for Initial)

Thanks, Ark. This passes.

I'll start on the initial later this week.
 
Re: The Book of Citizen V (Helmut Zemo) (Initial Playtesting

Late Yea

Glad to see him finally make an appearance! Didn't get to see the original power he had - was it Master Motivator + X = two turns?

Either way, I think where we're at with JLL is good and it feels very "like lightning" when it strikes, which is important, I think. The rest of the card does as it should. I'm happy with him.
 
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