The Book of Captain Marvel (Mary Batson)

[Tornado]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Public Playtesting

Thanks Eric!

 

[Alexandros]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Public Playtesting

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson)

Army Test
Map: Sewer
Units: Superman (Billy Batson), Captain Marvel (Mary Batson), Shazam (Billy Batson), Code: Blue Officer vs Power Girl (400), Stargirl (150), Starman (190), Stripe (180), Dr. Fate (270)

Spoiler Alert!

In round one, Mary and Captain Billy rush towards the center to meet Power Girl, Starman, and Stargirl. Shazam and Mary try to land hits on Power Girl and fail to do so. Round two, Shazam tries to smack Stargirl but she reveals her X marker to skip it. Stargirl tries to attack Shazam, this summons Superman who fails to wound her. She lands a wound on Shazam and gives him a white star marker. Mary leads Superman and Shazam to destroy Stargirl. Power Girl puts three wounds on Superman. Round three, Mary leads the team away from Power Girl and has the Shazam/Supes duo destroy Starman and wound Fate. Superman hits Power Girl for one and uses the lightning to deal another wound. Doctor Fate takes a couple shots that don’t land. Round four, Mary leads the charge on turn one- Superman brings another three wounds to Power Girl. Shazam doesn’t contribute. Mary destroys PG. PG was OM 1 and 2, so Shazam gets to move in to strike Fate. Superman comes in to blast Fate until he has one life remaining. Fate can’t crack back. Round five, Mary and co destroy Fate and STRIPE isn’t able to catch up.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): All figures in the Shazam family remained. Superman took 3 wounds from a hit from Powergirl, plus one from an LEA. Shazam/Mary had managed to heal every wound they’d taken as they never lost initiative.

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Army Test
Map: Sacred Shrine
Units: Shazam Family (see previous test) vs Teen Titans (Nightwing, Raven, Starfire, Superboy, Changeling, Red Robin, Hellfire: Ignition)

Spoiler Alert!

Shazam family wins initiative. Shazam, Nightwing, Red Robin, Code: Blue Officer, Superboy, and Changeling head towards the center. Mary uses her bonding to move in and let Shazam hit superboy for 3 wounds! On Raven’s turn she takes one of them, then gives it back to Shazam. R2, Shazam family wins initiative again. Shazam swings at Superboy and misses. Starfire takes height advantage for three five attack shots at Shazam. Superman swoops in, rolls a skull, and ends her turn. Mary takes a turn and bonds with Supes and Shazam. Shazam bases Raven and puts three wounds on her. Shazam tries to attack RR who uses his Smoke Pellets. Nightwing bonds with Starfire and Superboy. Starfire takes 3 six die swings at Superman and destroys him. Superboy swings at Mary and misses. Nightwing lands a wound on Shazam. Mary swings back and puts two wounds on Superboy. Raven takes a wound from Starfire and gifts it to Shazam. Titans win initiative. Starfire puts three wounds on Mary. Shazam and Mary base Starfire (using Mary’s bonding) and destroy her, losing her OM2. Mary uses turn 2 to base Superboy and destroy him. Nightwing bonds with Changeling and Raven. Changeling wounds Mary with an attack and Raven moves a wound from herself to Mary. Nightwing takes the high ground nearby. Shazam lands six wounds on Changeling in an attack. TT wins the initiative again. Raven takes a wound off of herself and destroys Mary. Shazam and CBO are not able to catch up, but they’re able to take down Changeling and put two more wounds on Raven before they go down.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Teen Titans. Raven had 3 life remaining, Nightwing had 4.

THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: The bonding is pretty good. I don’t think it makes her unbalanced right now, but the potential addition of cheap, high power Shazam family members could make her pretty concerning.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: She was very fun. I don’t know a lot about her power scaling but it did seem strange to me that she consistently hit harder than Billy if she moved at least two spaces first, but I don’t know that I’d debuff her attack stats any further, either. She seems like she’s in a good place, but pushing her further could move her over the line.

Really happy I got to test this one. The Shazam family is very dear to me. Thanks for letting me take a crack at playtesting her.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Public Playtesting

So looks like 3-3 and mostly wins against less competitive builds and losses against more competitive builds. Seems like that puts the faction in a good place, but I'm also cool with a 10 point bump if there's concern about this making her too powerful.

Either way, I'm confident about moving forward here!

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Public Playtesting

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM
NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: CAPTAIN MARVEL (MARY)
VERSION TESTED

Spoiler Alert!

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Army Test
Map: CONFLICT CHERNOBYL
Units: Captain Marvel (Mary) (340), Captain Marvel (Billy) (360), Hoppy (140), Billy Batson (60) (900) vs Green Arrow (150), Red Arrow (150), Black Canary (900), Oracle (110), Martian Manhunter (I) (300) (900)

Spoiler Alert!

I played this game as if Billy had the Shazam tag. Civilian Billy starts off the battlefield.
Round 1: Initiative Birds of Prey. Manhunter advances. He dispatches Green and Red Arrow.
Captain Billy and Hoppy advance.
Martian Manhunter follows the Secret Attack Plan and punches Captain Billy for four wounds. He dispatches Black Canary.
Captain Billy can’t hit Manhunter. Hoppy can’t hit Green Arrow and hops back to Manhunter. Mary hits Manhunter for 3 wounds.
Martian Manhunter gets blocked by Captain Billy, then moves up Canary and the Arrows.
Mary takes a swipe and flies over and punches Canary for a wound. Hoppy can’t hit Manhunter but hops over next to Billy.

Round 2: Initiative Shazamily. Billy and Mary both heal. Mary uses her bonding turn. Hoppy hits Canary for a wound. Billy can’t hit Manhunter. Mary takes a swipe from Canary and punches Manhunter for two more wounds.
Martian Manhunter follows the Secret Attack Plan and punches Mary for a wound. Then he dispatches Canary and Arrow.
Captain Billy takes out Manhunter and Hoppy hits Canary for a wound.
Canary punches Hoppy for a wound, is blocked from height by Billy, hits Billy for three wounds, then Billy Shazams and misses the unblockable, then Canary hits Billy for a wound. Captain Billy Shazams back down and misses the unblockable. Green Arrow uses Skill Shot and fails to hit Captain Billy for a finishing wound.
Mary flies over and hits Green Arrow for three wounds. Hoppy finishes Black Canary.
Green Arrow reveals an Order Marker. Speed Shot whiffs and Green Arrow fails to punch Mary.

Round 3: Initiative Shazmily. Billy and Mary both heal. Mary uses her bonding turn. Hoppy can’t hit Red Arrow. Captain Billy one shots Red Arrow. Mary finishes Green Arrow.
Oracle advances.
Billy and Hoppy fly towards Oracle.
Oracle follows the Secret Attack Plan and KO’s Billy. Civ Billy Shazams and hits Oracle for a wound.
Mary flies over to Oracle and socks her for two wounds. Hoppy finishes Oracle off.

Unit Summary: Oof, this one has me worrying that Mary hits too hard as currently comprised. Given this amount of turn efficiency, it’s less important for her one attack to be so big and getting the +2 bonus for flying is quite easy. I want to reduce her Attack Number to 5 and try this army against another opponent.

• Damage Done (Normal Attack): Inflicted [12] wounds on [Martian Manhunter [5], Black Canary [1], Green Arrow [4], Oracle [2]]
• Shared Power of Shazam used [3] times

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Captain Marvel (Mary) with 5 of 6 Life, Billy Batson (Civ) with 3 of 4 Life, and Hoppy with 2 of 3 Life win.

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Army Test
Map: CITY PARK
Units: Captain Marvel (Mary) (340), Captain Marvel (Billy) (360), Hoppy (140), Billy Batson (60) (900) vs Crime Syndicate (900)

Spoiler Alert!

I lowered Mary’s attack by 1 here and played Billy as having the keyword on his card. Billy starts on the card.
Round 1: Initiative Shazamily. Billy Cap and Hoppy advance.
Owlman advances. Superwoman uses the X and advances next to him.
Mary zooms across the map and attacks Owlman from height. She rolls terribly and he blocks two skulls on two dice and inflicts two wounds on her with Calculated Defense. Hoppy can’t hit Superwoman, but does take height on her.
Ultraman hits Mary for a wound with his heat vision. Superwoman avoids a swipe, engages Mary, and punches Mary out. She fails to lasso Billy.
Mary had OM3.
Ultraman zaps Captain Marvel for a wound. Superwoman fails to follow up or hit her lasso.

Round 2: Initiative Shazamily. Captain Billy heals. He punches Superwoman for two wounds. Hoppy punches her for two more.
Ultraman hits Billy for an auto wound. Superwoman punches Hoppy for a wound, then lassoes Captain Billy and flies him into height disadvantage and engagement with his three foes. Superwoman uses the “X” to move away.
Captain Billy can’t hit Ultraman. Hoppy attacks Owlman and inflicts a wound and takes one from Calculated Defense.
Ultraman zaps Hoppy and KO’s him. Superwoman flies over and can’t hit Captain Billy.
Captain Billy puts two wounds on Owlman. Two unblockables for Calculated Defense miss.
Ultraman zaps Captain Billy for a wound. He goes Shazam! Civ Billy destroys Superwoman but misses the others. Owlman hits Civ Billy for two wounds and he Shazams again. Ultraman takes a wound.


Round 3: Initiative Shazamily. Captain Billy heals. He takes a swipe, takes height on Owlman, and punches Owlman for a fourth wound.
Ultraman zaps Captain Billy for a wound. He turns into Civ Billy, who finishes Owlman with a Shazam.
Civ Billy has no OM’s.
Ultraman is somehow blocked by Billy.
Civ Billy has no OM’s.
Ultraman destroys Civ Billy. Cap Billy comes back but the unblockable misses.

Round 4: Initiative Ultraman. He punches out Captain Billy.

Unit Summary: This turned out to be a much tougher match up for the Shazamily and makes me feel better about Mary. Her attack reduction really did not come into play here, but I’m fine with still going with it if we want to make sure this combination isn’t too overpowering. Focusing in on her and taking her out early is definitely a key to victory when Hoppy is in the mix.

• Damage Done (Normal Attack): Inflicted [0] wounds
• Shared Power of Shazam: used [0] times

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Ultraman with 6 of 7 Life wins.

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UNIT SUMMARY: Hoppy definitely adds a lot more “pop” to the Mary/Billy combo as he brings in an increased chance of initiative wins and turn efficiency when Mary’s not sharing her powers. I think a 10 point bump and reducing Mary’s Attack number to 5 (since it’s really easy for her to get the +2 to equal Billy) is a good way to go to keep her balanced after the other boosts to her card.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Public Playtesting

I propose we move to Final Editing with *this* version of Mary:

NAME = CAPTAIN MARVEL
SECRET IDENTITY = MARY BATSON

SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = CHAMPION
PERSONALITY = CHARMING

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 6

MOVE = 7
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 5
DEFENSE = 6

POINTS = 340

SOLOMON, HERCULES, AND ATLAS
If there is at least one Order Marker on this card, you may add 3 to your initiative roll and, if you win initiative, remove 1 Wound Marker from this card.

ZEUS AND ACHILLES
If Captain Marvel attacks a figure without the Magical Defense special power and the player controlling that figure rolls the 20-sided die for any special power on the defending figure’s Army Card, you may add or subtract 3 from the roll.

MERCURY
If Captain Marvel uses her Flying special power for her entire movement and moves at least two spaces, she may add 2 to her Move and Attack numbers this turn.

SHAZAM!: SHARED POWER
Once per round, after revealing an Order Marker on this card, before taking a turn with Captain Marvel, you may take a turn with up to two other figures you control that are either a Human Captain Marvel or that have a SHAZAM! special power. You may not take additional turns with other figures you control. During this player turn, all figures you control subtract one die from their attack.

SUPER STRENGTH

FLYING

 

[Lord Pyre]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - VOTE for Final Editing

Looking good!

 

[Lord Pyre]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - VOTE for Final Editing

You ninja'd me while I was reading over this hah.

Yea

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - VOTE for Final Editing

You ninja'd me while I was reading over this hah.

Yea

Heh. No worries. Just tried to read what you were posting and accidentally read the first page and saw johnny and was like he's back!

 

[Lord Pyre]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - VOTE for Final Editing

 

[Alexandros]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Public Playtesting

UNIT SUMMARY: Hoppy definitely adds a lot more “pop” to the Mary/Billy combo as he brings in an increased chance of initiative wins and turn efficiency when Mary’s not sharing her powers. I think a 10 point bump and reducing Mary’s Attack number to 5 (since it’s really easy for her to get the +2 to equal Billy) is a good way to go to keep her balanced after the other boosts to her card.

If I may, it kind of feels like both debuffs might be too much? It seems like dropping her attack to 5 would be enough since the Shazamily is already at a 50% win rate. I'd be a little hesitant to draft her if both things changed.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - VOTE for Final Editing

That's fair. Would you be cool with 330 still, LP?

 

[MrNobody]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - VOTE for Final Editing

Yea either way!

 

[Lord Pyre]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - VOTE for Final Editing

Yeah. 10 points doesn't make or break anything at these costs.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - VOTE for Final Editing

Sweet. Then we'll give the people what the want! I'll update the SP to 330.

 

[fret_gurglo]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - VOTE for Final Editing

Yea

 

[LordVenoc]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - VOTE for Final Editing

330 kinda isn't great for army building within the faction.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - VOTE for Final Editing

Hmm true. 340 might actually be a boon in a lot of builds.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - VOTE for Final Editing

I'm confident she'll still be draftable and play well at 340. And from what LV and I have discussed, I think she'll actually fit builds better. So going to go with 340 here and ask for trust.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - VOTE for Final Editing

Need one more vote for Final Editing, then.

 

[Tornado]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - VOTE for Final Editing

Yea

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - VOTE for Final Editing

This passes. SP is updated if anyone feels up to vetting the wording!

 

[Tornado]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Final Editing

Cool. I did not vote twice.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Final Editing

Cool. I did not vote twice.

Were you trying to?

 

[Tornado]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Final Editing

Could not remember. Looked back through but my eyes were weary.

 

[Karat]

Re: Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Final Editing

Suggested edits.

SOLOMON, HERCULES, AND ATLAS
If there is at least one Order Marker on this card, you may add 3 to your initiative roll and, if you win initiative, remove 1 Wound Marker from this card.

MERCURY
If Captain Marvel uses her Flying special power for her entire movement and moves at least two spaces and uses her Flying special power for her entire movement, she may add 2 to her Move and Attack numbers this turn.

For pasteability:

SOLOMON, HERCULES, AND ATLAS
If there is at least one Order Marker on this card, you may add 3 to your initiative roll and if you win initiative, remove 1 Wound Marker from this card.

MERCURY
If Captain Marvel moves at least two spaces and uses her Flying special power for her entire movement, she may add 2 to her Move and Attack numbers this turn.