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The Book of Captain Marvel (Mary Batson)

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The Book of Captain Marvel
(Mary Batson)​

C3G DC WAVE 26
WOMEN OF WONDER​

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Comic PDF

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Mini PDF

The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Collateral Damage set.
Its model number and name are #079-081/Mary Marvel.​
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Character Bio - "[FONT=&quot]As Billy's twin, Mary shared Billy's ability to transform into a superhero by speaking the name of the wizard Shazam [….]The current version of Mary Marvel, […] has the same powers from the same benefactors as her brother (Solomon, Hercules, Atlas, Zeus, Achilles, and Mercury). A power-sharing element was added to the mythos in the Power of Shazam! series; one finite source of power was shared between Mary, Captain Marvel, and Captain Marvel Jr.[/FONT]" (Wikipedia, 2013).
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-Rulings and Clarifications-
  • none
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-Combinations and Synergies-

Incoming Synergy:Outgoing Synergy:
  • Captain Marvel may either negate other Human Captain Marvels you control or allow you to take a turn with any Human Captain Marvel you control via her Shared Power of Shazam! special power. Current Human Captain Marvels.
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-Immunities, Benefits, and Weaknesses-

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-Strategy, Tactics and Tips-
  • N/A
-Heroscapers Community Contributions-
  • Initial Playtest: (IAmBatman)
  • Second Playtest: (Red Eyed Jedi)
  • Third Playtest: (TrollBrute)
  • Fourth Playtest: (cwidje)
  • Reevaluation Initial Playtest: (IAmBatman)
  • Reevaluation Second Playtest: (Ericth74)
  • Reevaluation Third Playtest: (Alexandros)
  • Reevaluation Fourth Playtest: (IAmBatman)
  • Art by A3n
  • Mini Pics/Comic Pics/Background
  • Mary Batson created by Otto Binder and Marc Swayze
  • Comic art by Kevin Maguire and Joe Rubinstein

*8/11/2022 - updated last power to Shazam!: Shared Power to better work alongside the Shazamily faction
 
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Re: The Book of Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Design Phase

NAME = CAPTAIN MARVEL
SECRET IDENTITY = MARY BATSON

SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = CHAMPION
PERSONALITY = CHARMING

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 6

MOVE = 7
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 5
DEFENSE = 6

POINTS = 340

SOLOMON, HERCULES, AND ATLAS
If there is at least one Order Marker on this card, you may add 3 to your initiative roll and, if you win initiative, remove 1 Wound Marker from this card.

ZEUS AND ACHILLES
If Captain Marvel attacks a figure without the Magical Defense special power and the player controlling that figure rolls the 20-sided die for any special power on the defending figure’s Army Card, you may add or subtract 3 from the roll.

MERCURY
If Captain Marvel moves at least two spaces and uses her Flying special power for her entire movement, she may add 2 to her Move and Attack numbers this turn.

SHAZAM!: SHARED POWER
Once per round, after revealing an Order Marker on this card and before taking a turn with Captain Marvel, you may take a turn with up to two other Unique Heroes you control that have a SHAZAM! special power. You may not take additional turns with other figures you control. During this player turn, all figures you control subtract one from their Attack number.

SUPER STRENGTH

FLYING
Spoiler Alert!
 
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Re: The Book of Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Design Phase

I feel like adding the Marvel Captain Marvels to the mix is odd.

Not a huge fan of Zeus, Achilles, and Mercury as that's essentially two powers stuck together... I'd rather just go up to an extra power and keep them more streamlined.
 
Re: The Book of Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Design Phase

As it reads she gets to heal even without an OM on her card if you win initiative--is that the intent?
 
Re: The Book of Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Design Phase

johnny139 said:
Not a huge fan of Zeus, Achilles, and Mercury as that's essentially two powers stuck together... I'd rather just go up to an extra power and keep them more streamlined.
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Yeah, I'd rather have the extra power as well. Nothing wrong with 4 text powers.
 
Re: The Book of Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Design Phase

I think 4 powers is fine also. I don't think she should heal without an OM on her card.

I like the way shared power works but not sure why the bonding is tied to the roll. I like the bonding, just not sure why it is tied to the rolling of 7 or higher. Also don't we normally just use "1-6" instead of "6 or lower"?

Also bats, I have to ask a favour, can you put the comics in separate post to the SP please. It's just easier when doing up the cards & even checking SP during the design. Thanx. :D

Full length of one you have:
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johnny139 said:
I feel like adding the Marvel Captain Marvels to the mix is odd.
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Me too. But back in the day, somebody insisted we name Captain Mar-vel "Marvel," and now somebody has to pay the piper. :p

We have no precedent of referring to DC or Marvel specifically in card powers and I'm not keen on starting one unless a general consensus insists on it. Call it a peril of cross-dimensional travel.

johnny139 said:
Not a huge fan of Zeus, Achilles, and Mercury as that's essentially two powers stuck together... I'd rather just go up to an extra power and keep them more streamlined.
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Easy enough. :)

SirGalahad said:
As it reads she gets to heal even without an OM on her card if you win initiative--is that the intent?
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Yeah, that wasn't the intent, but should be easy to fix and make consistent with how her brother works.

A3n said:
I like the way shared power works but not sure why the bonding is tied to the roll. I like the bonding, just not sure why it is tied to the rolling of 7 or higher.
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I wanted it to feel like one power instead of two. If the D20 roll is meaningless to the bonding, I think it'll feel like two powers crammed together again. :shrug: But I wanted to add the bonding in to give you some reason to draft Marvels together, otherwise that power would just be a poison pill to keep you from ever doing so.

A3n said:
Also don't we normally just use "1-6" instead of "6 or lower"?
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Ask Mr. Special Eyes. He just had me change a 1-6 to a 6 or lower in my LD that's currently on hold. :)

A3n said:
Also bats, I have to ask a favour, can you put the comics in separate post to the SP please. It's just easier when doing up the cards & even checking SP during the design. Thanx. :D
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Sure thing. I was trying to avoid unnecessary extra posts, but if it's necessary, that's easy to do. :) Do you have any preferences you'd like me to keep, or should I just keep them all for now?

Btw, attempts at updating the wording for the two requests of making the healing OM dependent and splitting into four powers is welcome. If no one gets to it, though, I will take a stab at it eventually here. :)
 
Re: The Book of Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Design Phase

My first stab .... (though now I want to put Hercules in that first title to get them all in!)

SOLOMON, HERCULES, AND ATLAS
If there is at least one Order Marker on this card you may add 2 to your initiative roll and, if you win initiative, remove 1 Wound Marker from this card.

ZEUS AND ACHILLES
If Captain Marvel attacks a figure without the Magical Defense special power and the player controlling that figure rolls the 20-sided die for any special power on the defending figure’s Army Card, you may add or subtract 2 from the roll.

MERCURY
If she uses her Flying special power for her entire movement and moves at least two spaces, Captain Marvel may add 2 to her Move number and 2 to her Attack number this turn.
 
Re: The Book of Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Design Phase

IAmBatman said:
Me too. But back in the day, somebody insisted we name Captain Mar-vel "Marvel," and now somebody has to pay the piper. :p
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Definitely wasn't me. I wanted it with the hyphen. :|
 
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Just moving the art post here.
 
Re: The Book of Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Design Phase

Super quiet here. SP updated and sending this out to the ERB!
 
Re: The Book of Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Design Phase

I didn't know you intended to keep Shared Power. I'd like to see that dropped.
 
Re: The Book of Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Design Phase

Groovy. I like the 4 powers better. :)
 
Re: The Book of Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Design Phase

quozl said:
I didn't know you intended to keep Shared Power. I'd like to see that dropped.
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:confused: Why?

It's kind of pivotal to the Captain Marvel characters.
 
Re: The Book of Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Design Phase

There's too many other Captain Marvels (MARVEL) that don't share power with her.
 
Re: The Book of Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Design Phase

We could specify DC Captain Marvels. :shrug:

Is she really this powerful, though? I always thought she'd be on par with the Teen Titans, not more powerful than Supergirl and on par with Billy. :p
 
Re: The Book of Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Design Phase

I think this would work:

SHARED POWER
This Captain Marvel and any Captain Marvel figure you control with a secret identity of either Billy Batson or Freddy Freeman are considered to also have the name Marvel Family. After revealing an Order Marker on a Marvel Family figure you control, before taking a turn with that figure, if any other Marvel Family figure is within clear sight of that figure, roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 6 or lower, you cannot use any special powers on any Marvel Family’s Army Card that turn. If you roll 7 or higher, you may take a turn normally or, instead of taking a turn with this Captain Marvel, you may take a turn with any other Marvel Family figure you control.
 
Re: The Book of Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Design Phase

That's a ton of text on an already cramped card.

Not a huge fan of this design, but I really didn't like Billy or Black Adam either. Way too many random powers that are impossible to keep track of, and she's no different. It'll be a nightmare playing this Marvel faction.
 
Re: The Book of Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Design Phase

Also, there wasn't any shared power pre-Crisis.
 
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quozl said:
I didn't know you intended to keep Shared Power. I'd like to see that dropped.
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I don't see why you would've thought otherwise. I never indicated anywhere that I intended to drop it. :shrug:

Lord Pyre said:
We could specify DC Captain Marvels. :shrug:

Is she really this powerful, though? I always thought she'd be on par with the Teen Titans, not more powerful than Supergirl and on par with Billy. :p
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Good points. She has the same exact power source as Billy, so she should be in his neighborhood, but 350 to 360 might be a tad close. That said, it could also be that my estimate is off, since Billy has 7/7 attack/defense and she has 6/6. I'll see how she's testing and adjust downward if necessary.

Lord Pyre said:
That's a ton of text on an already cramped card.
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Yeah, and I kind of hate the idea of them all having the "name" of "Marvel Family." I don't think that's worthwhile mechanically for the sake of the odd theme that will happen when you play what should be a Mar-Vel with a Marvel.

Like I said earlier, blame it on cross-dimensional anomalies. If Marvels are traveling into completely separate universes all the time, something odd is bound to happen!

quozl said:
Also, there wasn't any shared power pre-Crisis.
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Yeah, and back then Lex Luthor was an Alderman and had red hair. What's your point? I'm not doing the pre-Crisis Mary Marvel. :)
 
Re: The Book of Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Design Phase

Good notes, David! :) I'll see about placing that comma and adjust the wording on Shared Power accordingly!

Cheers,
Bats

davidlhsl said:
Captain Marvel

Hmmm, there must be a 50% sale on capes.

Solomon, Hercules, and Atlas
Comma after “on this card” ?

What’s really nice about this is that it also helps Captain Marvel.
C3G: “Which one???”
Oh, Captain Marvel (Billy Batson) and his Stamina of Atlas. You’ll have to give him an Order Marker as well.

Zeus and Achilles
I think the standard has already been established that names relate to the design itself unless explicitly state, so there shouldn’t be any conflict with the other Caps. (This applies to the abilities on the other C-Marvels as well.)

That’ll help against certain defensive abilities.

Mercury
I suppose she could still fly around in a circle and land in the same spot. But she risks engagement strikes if she tries that.

Shared Power
And here’s our explicit reference to the other Caps!

“if any other Captain Marvel figure is within clear sight” = would you have to specify “within clear sight of x?”

What about: “After revealing an Order Marker on any Captain Marvel figure you control that is within clear sight of another Captain Marvel figure you control, roll the 20-sided die.”

“instead of taking a turn with this Captain Marvel” = I’m confused, because the first part of the ability pertains to any of your CMarvel figures. So let’s say Mar-Vell reveals an OM and is within clear sight of Billy and Mary. So this section wouldn’t make sense in this context, because I would read this to apply to Mary.

You might not even need to specify this. What about: "If you roll 7 or higher, you may take a turn with any Captain Marvel you control."

This would allow a Captain Marvel out of clear sight of the others to take the turn, but that would've been allowed in your version as well.

Final Thoughts
I see you’ve arranged your abilities to spell SHAZAM.

Final question: Did she have a little lamb? Was it tasty? Mmmmm, lamb.

Nice design, despite my confusion on the Shared Power.
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Re: The Book of Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Design Phase

My main complaint with Shared Power is that it's very unintuitive... honestly, I've read it a few times now and I'm still going back to check what exactly it does. I'm not entirely sure if that can be helped, though, and I trust the thematic value is worth the payment.
 
Re: The Book of Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Design Phase

I've been working on it. How do you guys feel about this:

SHARED POWER OF SHAZAM!
After revealing an Order Marker on this card or any Billy Batson or Freddy Freeman card you control, if you control more than one Captain Marvel on the battlefield, you must roll the 20-sided die before taking your turn. If you roll 6 or lower, you cannot use any powers on any Captain Marvel Army Card you control for the remainder of your turn. If you roll 7 or higher, you may take a turn with any Captain Marvel you control.

That way if you for some reason draft this card with any of the Marvel Mar-vell Marvels, you can just put the OMs on them and be completely unaffected by this power. And if you put the OM here instead of on the Marvel Mar-vell Marvel, then the Marvel Mar-vell Marvel isn't really relevant that turn anyway.

I think it works, and reads more clearly to boot. Thoughts?
 
Re: The Book of Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Design Phase

I'd be happy with that; definitely seems clearer. :up:
 
Re: The Book of Captain Marvel (Mary Batson) - Design Phase

Yeah, I like it better as well. quozl?
 
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