The Book of C3G Destructible Object Rules

[IAmBatman]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test

I’ll wait for you to post your results and we can propose a move to public testing. Staying formal here should help us stay focused.

Thanks for the feedback, LV!

 

[Tornado]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test

Here are the results.


Sports Car (100), Mr. F(235), Sue(215), Iron Man: Hasbro(240), Iceman(250) & Atom(50) vs. Ms. Marvel(350), Cap(240), Winter Soldier(240) & Shocker(160) [990]

R1: Bucky Marks Reed for Death. Sue hops in on the driver's side of the Sports Car and straps Atom into the child seat, Stark moves, Reed moves. Cap moves. Sue drives up in front of Reed who moves in front of the Sports Car. Carol moves, wounds Reed. Iceman moves, Tony charges in, taking the high road, KOs Carol(yikes), Reed moves. Bucky moves, misses.

R2: Tony wounds Cap, Reed waits. Cap moves, misses. Tony 2wounds Cap, Iceman moves, misses, Sue drives the Sports Car behind Reed and Tony, misses. Bucky climbs, wounds Reed. Tony wounds Cap, Reed misses. Shocker moves, wounds Reed.

R3: Cap misses. Tony miss. Iceman KOs Cap, Sue H&R(3) and returns, misses, Reed moves, misses. Winter misses. Reed 3wounds Winter. Shocker moves, misses(2,3/8shields) but Vibro Knockbacks the Sports Car two spaces.

R4: Shocker misses Sports Car(3/8shields ) but it gets Knockback 3 spaces leaving Reed out of Force Field range, KOs Reed and OM1, Winter hybernates. Shocker misses. Tony moves, KOs Shocker.

Winner: Sports Car, Iron Man, Ice Man, Atom and Sue: All Full




Re-Match
Sports Car (100), Mr. F(235), Sue(215), Iron Man: Hasbro(240), Iceman(250) & Atom(50) vs. Ms. Marvel(350), Cap(240), Winter Soldier(240) & Shocker(160) [990]

R1: Reed is Marked. Sue(driver) and Atom hop in the Car, Reed moves. Cap moves. Sue drives up on the road, Reed moves in front. Winter moves, wounds Sports Car(2/8shields). Tony moves, 2wounds Winter, Reed moves. Winter moves, blanks out on Sports Car(3/8shields).

R2: Cap moves, misses Sports Car(2/8shields), misses Tony, wounds Reed. Tony takes high ground, wounds Winter, Sue drives off road, H&R(15), wounds Cap, misses Cap, Reed misses Cap. Carol moves, 2wounds Sports Car(2shields) from high ground. Iceman moves, misses Winter, Iron Man KOs Winter, misses Carol but takes a wound, Sue H&R(3), misses Cap, misses Cap, Reed charges in and wraps Carol and Cap, misses. Shocker moves in, misses Reed but Vibro Knocks him back two spaces, misses an Evergreen Tree, Carol, now free of pesky Reed, destroys an Evergreen Tree which falls on the Sports Car(KO'd, no spill over damage), wounds Sue and Atom. Tony takes a wound while missing Carol, Reed grabs Atom and sets him next to Carol while Wrapping her and Cap, misses.

R3: Tony wounds Carol, Reed 3wounds Cap who misses. Tony takes one, gives two to Carol, Reed misses. Shocker moves, misses, Knocksback Reed, Carol avoids a swipe from Atom, engages Sue and Iceman, wounds Sue. Reed moves, misses. Cap moves, 2wounds Sue, Carol KOs Sue. Reed KOs Cap. Shocker 4wounds Reed, Knocks him to Carol who KOs him.

R4: Tony dies from self inflicted wounds. Shocker KOs Atom, Carol KOs Iceman.

Winner: Ms. Marvel 3/5wounds, Shocker: Full


One interesting thing is so far, I have had zero spill over damage. That is a real potential negative that has just not come up yet but should help to keep their cost in check.
I could see maybe dropping Defense to 5.

 

[Tornado]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test

Is there playtest sheet for DOs, VDOs?

 

[Ronin]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test

Just the normal sheet.

 

[Tornado]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test

OK, thanks Ronin. I will make it more official looking tomorrow if I get a chance.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test

Sounds perfect. Once you do, I'll read things over and propose for Public Testing.

 

[Tornado]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test

Crap. Forgot to do the play test report here. I knew I was forgetting something.
Probably Saturday if I remember. Pester me this weekend.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test

Pester pester. I was planning to soon, but figured I'd give you the holiday off!

 

[Tornado]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test

C3G INITIAL PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE TEST UNIT SPORTS CAR

Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? No, mostly because I played it wrong.
- What should be the unit's point value? 100??.
- Give a brief overview. Fantastic Sports Car line-up.
Map: City Park.
Units: Sports Car x2(200), Mr. F(235), Sue(215), Lady Blackhawk(110), Iron Man: Hasbro(240) vs. Frank, Dragon Man, Wendigo & Skrull Infiltrator[1000].

Spoiler Alert!

R1: DM moves. Sue and Reed hop in the Blue Car, Reed declares "I am drivin'". Frank moves. Lady B takes the wheel of the Red Car, Reed puts up on the road. Frank moves. Iron Man jumps in the Red Car and Lady B floors it, reaches out the window firing wildly and missing Frank.

R2: Lady B Hits and Runs(9+2), wounds Frank, returns misses Frank, Kicks out Iron Man wo jets off to high ground and misses Frank who takes one big step and puts his foot on the bumper of the Red Car, the Sword of the Archangel crashing through the windshield and skewering Lady B for 2wounds, Wendigo Leaps, but fails to put his fist through the driver's side window. Lady B Hits and Runs(3+2), misses Frank and flees, Iron Man continues to roll pathetic(3/20skulls), misses Frank, Sue and Reed are too far away to attack. Frank turns his head, spins and charges, misses Tony, Wendi goes after Lady B but fails again. Reed Hits and Runs(3), misses Wendigo, then stretches out an arm to slap Wendigo for a wound. Frank takes a swipe from Tony and runs Reed through an open window for a wound, Wendi continues to claw away like Cujo on the side of the Red Car.

R3: Tony finally strikes Frank but his Undead nature resists, Reed H&R(13) wounds Frank, and punches Frank for another wound. Frank rams his sword through the car door and deep into Reed's leg for 2wounds, Wendigo smells blood and manages to wound Lady as she puts back her seat to avoid claws. Reed H&R(16), wounds Frank, then backs over him to finish the job(actually a normal attack). Frank has OM2. Stark wounds Wendi, Reed H&R(12), wounds Wendi, misses with a punch. Wendigo reaches in and yanks Lady B through the windshield and consumes her, heals, a Skrull Infiltrator appears in the driver's seat, "Nice Ride", Wendi spins, strides and rams his head in the driver's side window of the Blue Car, but his jaws just snap air as Sue throws up a force field.

R4: Tony continues to do nothing, Reed H&R(12), wounds Wendi, misses with a strike. Wendi misses Reed. Stark 2wounds Wendi, Reed H&R(2), misses, misses. Wendi snatches Reed's arm and slurps him up like a noodle, heals, jumps in Blue Car, "Hello pretty", 4wounds Sue. Tony misses Wendi. DM flies in, misses Stark.

R5: Wendi eats Sue, heals, Hits and Runs(6) Tony and 2wounds him with a claw. Tony misses. Wendi H&R(1 wounds Tony, KOs Tony.

I made a few errors with LEAs and allowing figures outside the Car to adjacently attack passengers, was still pretty fun.

Who won and how many wounds did they have? Wendigo 2/7 wounds, Dragon Man: Full, Skrull Infiltrator, Sports Car: Full, Sports Car: Full. .

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes.
- What should be the unit's point value? 100 feels close.
- Give a brief overview. A Re-Match of above played correctly, hopefully.
Map: City Park.
Units: Sports Car x2(200), Mr. F(235), Sue(215), Lady Blackhawk(110), Iron Man: Hasbro(240) vs. Frank, Dragon Man, Wendigio & Skrull Infiltrator[1000].

Spoiler Alert!

R1: Sue and Reed hop in the Blue Car, Reed drives. DM moves. Lady B and Tony jump in the Red Car, Reed drives the Blue Car on to the road. Frank moves. Lady B H&R(9+2), wounds DM, throws in reverse while her and Tony shoot out the windows, Stark strikes for 3wounds. Frank charges, misses the Red Car(4/8shields), DM moves, Fire Breaths(3skulls) the Blue Car, {If I read this right if I attack the Blue Car, it will hit Sue and Reed and the adjacent Red Car but not the passengers}, 2wounds Blue Car, wounds Sue, misses Reed.

R2: Lady B H&R(20+2) wounds DM, misses, Reed wounds DM. Wendigo Leaps. Lady B H&R(5+2), misses DM, misses, Reed misses. Frank moves down, KOs the Blue Car(2/9shields, no spill over damage), Wendigo moves, misses the Red Car(3/8shields). Lady B H&R(9+2) wounds, KOs DM, misses Wendi, Stark 2wounds Frank, Reed misses Frank who KOs the Red Car(1/9shields, no spill over damage), Wendigo 2wounds Lady B.

R3: Frank misses Reed with 5 skulls, Wendigo misses. Stark hirs Frank but he resists, Reed does the same. Frank misses Reed with 5 skulls, Wendigo misses. Stark, miss, LB miss, Reed miss. Frank rolls 5skulls for the third time in a row and manages to 2wound Reed, Wendi KOs Lady B, Leaps, misses Sue who flees, Reed miss.

R4: Frank misses, Wendi misses. Stark wounds Frank, Reed wounds Frank who misses, Wendi misses. Stark miss, Sue wounds Frank, Reed wounds Frank who KOs Reed, Wendi takes a swipe from Stark, wounds Sue.

R5: Tony KOs Frank, misses Wendi who wounds Sue. Tony 3wounds Wendi who KOs Sue[Skrull Infiltrator], heals, moves, 2wounds Tony who 3wounds Wendigo who KOs Tony.

Who won and how many wounds did they have?

Wendigo 6/7wounds & Skrull Infiltrator.

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes.
- What should be the unit's point value? 100.
- Give a brief overview. I tried to make the Sports Car into a full fledged tank with the Sue and Atom combo. The enemy has no choice but to attack the Car with 8 defense.
Map: City Park.
Units: Sports Car (100), Mr. F(235), Sue(215), Iron Man: Hasbro(240), Iceman(250) & Atom(50) vs. Ms. Marvel(350), Cap(240), Winter Soldier(240) & Shocker(160) [990].

Spoiler Alert!

R1: Bucky Marks Reed for Death. Sue hops in on the driver's side of the Sports Car and straps Atom into child seat, Stark moves, Reed moves. Cap moves. Sue drives up in front of Reed who moves in front of the Sports Car. Carol moves, wounds Reed. Iceman moves, Tony charges in, taking the high road, KOs Carol(yikes), Reed moves. Bucky moves, misses.

R2: Tony wounds Cap, Reed waits. Cap moves, misses. Tony 2wounds Cap, Iceman moves, misses, Sue drives the Sports Car behind Reed and Tony, misses. Bucky climbs, wounds Reed. Tony wounds Cap, Reed misses. Shocker moves, wounds Reed.

R3: Cap misses. Tony miss. Iceman KOs Cap, Sue H&R(3) and returns, misses, Reed moves, misses. Winter misses. Reed 3wounds Winter. Shocker moves, misses(2,3/8shields) but Vibro Knockbacks the Sports Car two spaces.

R4: Shocker misses Sports Car(3/8shields ) but it gets Knockback 3 spaces leaving Reed out of Force Field range, KOs Reed and OM1, Winter hybernates. Shocker misses. Tony moves, KOs Shocker.

Who won and how many wounds did they have?

Sports Car, Iron Man, Ice Man, Atom and Sue: All Full .

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Army Test
- Does it pass, Yes or No? Yes.
- What should be the unit's point value? 100.
- Give a brief overview. Re-Match of above. I tried to hold back Carol a bit and use Shocker to move the Fantastics out of position, which proved to be incredibly effective.
Map: City Park.
Units: Sports Car (100), Mr. F(235), Sue(215), Iron Man: Hasbro(240), Iceman(250) & Atom(50) vs. Ms. Marvel(350), Cap(240), Winter Soldier(240) & Shocker(160) [990].

Spoiler Alert!

Spoiler Alert!

R1: Reed is Marked. Sue(driver) and Atom hop in the Car, Reed moves. Cap moves. Sue drives up on the road, Reed moves in front. Winter moves, wounds Sports Car(2/8shields). Tony moves, 2wounds Winter, Reed moves. Winter moves, blanks out on Sports Car(3/8shields).

R2: Cap moves, misses Sports Car(2/8shields), misses Tony, wounds Reed. Tony takes high ground, wounds Winter, Sue drives off road, H&R(15), wounds Cap, misses Cap, Reed misses Cap. Carol moves, 2wounds Sports Car(2shields) from high ground. Iceman moves, misses Winter, Iron Man KOs Winter, misses Carol but takes a wound, Sue H&R(3), misses Cap, misses Cap, Reed charges in and wraps Carol and Cap, misses. Shocker moves in, misses Reed but Vibro Knocks him back two spaces, misses an Evergreen Tree, Carol, now free of pesky Reed, destroys an Evergreen Tree which falls on the Sports Car(KO'd, no spill over damage), wounds Sue and Atom. Tony takes a wound while missing Carol, Reed grabs Atom and sets him next to Carol while Wrapping her and Cap, misses.

R3: Tony wounds Carol, Reed 3wounds Cap who misses. Tony takes one, gives two to Carol, Reed misses. Shocker moves, misses, Knocksback Reed, Carol avoids a swipe from Atom, engages Sue and Iceman, wounds Sue. Reed moves, misses. Cap moves, 2wounds Sue, Carol KOs Sue. Reed KOs Cap. Shocker 4wounds Reed, Knocks him to Carol who KOs him.

R4: Tony dies from self inflicted wounds. Shocker KOs Atom, Carol KOs Iceman.

Who won and how many wounds did they have?

Ms. Marvel 3/5wounds, Shocker: Full.

THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT'S COST, BALANCE, & DRAFTABILITY: Pretty solid. The biggest concern is really Invisible Woman and Atom at least that I can come up with and I was able to defeat them though Reed had some terrible activation rolls. I could see maybe dropping Defense to 5 to make it less tank-y.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: So much fun. Running over enemies, throwing it in reverse and firing out the windows was a blast. We just need to keep an eye on it being too tough with the F4 but if we can balance it with them it should be good with anyone else. An important note is I never had any spill over damage which makes me wonder if we should go back to the old method or if the F4 simply got lucky.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Waiting for new Initial Test

Sweet! I'll link to the OP here and hopefully read through them this afternoon and make a proposal. Thanks for posting those and getting them done, T-Spinny!

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Initial Test Posted!

Tests look good. I propose we move this to Public Playtesting!

 

[Ronin]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - VOTE for Public Playtesting

yea

 

[Yodaking]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - VOTE for Public Playtesting

yea

 

[Tornado]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - VOTE for Public Playtesting

Yea

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - VOTE for Public Playtesting

One more will do it! Question is whether another Hero or Legend is actually interested in these. Maybe @quozl ?

 

[quozl]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - VOTE for Public Playtesting

Good morning!

Yea

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - VOTE for Public Playtesting

This passes to Public Playtesting.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting

Any suggestions/things I should try out in testing @Tornado ?

 

[Tornado]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting

The Sue and Atom combo is a must test.
Reed and Sue were my main focus.
Maybe a Ms. Marvel build? She can ride shotgun and let her bonding partner drive her around.
We may want to call in the CRB for some suggestions beyond that.
Rocket Raccoon and Warmachine maybe. It seems like you could exploit the no engagement and movement to set up Chain Gun and what RR has.
Blob and other negative figures to drop it off n someone may not be great as someone really needs to stay in the car, ideally both.
Atom is really awesome as he can be Carried into the Car and with Tiny Stealth, there is no way to attack him. Atom and Ant Man make for some cheap tank drivers.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting

The Ms. Marvel idea is a good one. She can already do that with figures that have Carry, but this adds free defense and opens up your options for bonding characters a lot.

Anybody with passive shooting powers (i.e. Rocket and the Roy Harper family) makes some sense, yeah.

Martian Manhunter is probably a decent one too.

 

[Tornado]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting

Oh yeah, no way to attack him directly and he can lead from the Car.

 

[Tornado]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting

Cap's All American Gas Station is ready to fuel up your Sports Car.

 

[quozl]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting

Oh yeah, no way to attack him directly and he can lead from the Car.

You can always enter the car and attack though, right?

 

[Tornado]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting

Not if it is full. So if you put two Tiny Stealth/Intangible/Invisible figures in there, you have to attack the Car.

 

[quozl]

Re: Draftable Vehicles - Public Playtesting

Are we lowering the Defense for the public tests?